Senate GOP opposition grows to Electoral College challenge

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  • 01-05-2021, 01:06 PM
Senate GOP opposition grows to Electoral College challenge


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...TZN?li=BBnb7Kz


The Senate Republicans opposed to certifying President-elect Joe Biden’s win are heading toward a hefty defeat on Wednesday. The only remaining question is this: how badly do they lose?
Just 11 GOP senators have joined the effort led by Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) to object to Congress’ routine approval of Biden’s Electoral College win. That makes 13 supporters — and many more have come out swinging against it.

“To challenge a state’s certification, given how specific the Constitution is, would be a violation of my oath of office — that is not something I am willing to do and is not something Oklahomans would want me to do,” said Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.), the latest GOP senator to oppose overturning the 2020 election results.
At least 21 GOP senators will vote to certify Biden’s election win, according to a series of interviews and statements. As of midday Tuesday, 17 Republican senators had not said what they would do publicly. With every Senate Democrat also sure to reject the challenge to Biden’s victory, President Donald Trump’s pressure campaign will easily fail even as it succeeds in splitting the GOP.
Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.) said on MSNBC Tuesday that reaching his conclusion to endorse Biden’s win in key swing states was a “brutal” episode because a majority of his constituents were urging him to oppose the certification.
“It wasn’t an easy emotional decision,” Cramer said, arguing he would never want to see a situation where senators from other states were trying to disenfranchise North Dakotans. That in mind, he added: “I’m quite comfortable with it.”
Still, not everyone is showing their cards. A number of senior Republican senators, from Chuck Grassley of Iowa to Marco Rubio of Florida to Todd Young of Indiana, are declining to make any comment about their intentions before Wednesday. That day is likely to be filled with intra-GOP clashes, as the objectors fight on the floor with members of their own party who refuse to stymie Biden’s formal path to the presidency.







Hawley has said he plans to challenge Pennsylvania’s electoral votes, while the group of senators led by Cruz is still undecided on how many states to challenge and how many votes to force their colleagues into. Cruz will at least challenge Arizona with the goal of creating a commission to complete a 10-day review of the election, according to a source familiar with the matter. But the odds of establishing such a commission are exceedingly unlikely.
Sen. Kelly Loeffler (R-Ga.) is likely to challenge Georgia. And Sen. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.) will object to all three states, according to a source familiar with his thinking.
Every state that receives an objection from one House member and one senator requires a two-hour floor debate followed by a vote on the challenge. That means at least three lengthy debates — and votes — will occur in the Senate and House.
Trump praised the group of objectors on Tuesday, tweeting: “They will fight the ridiculous Electoral College Certification of Biden. How do you certify numbers that have now proven to be wrong and, in many cases fraudulent!” As for those on the other side, Trump is calling them the “surrender caucus.”
Hawley again denied he was trying to overturn the election on Monday night, telling Fox News he is merely exercising his rights to force a debate.
“Congress is directed under the 12th Amendment to count the electoral votes,” Hawley said. “There is a right to object, there’s a right to be heard.”
But the challenge is bitterly dividing the caucus. Some Senate Republicans who could eventually seek the presidency have also condemned the effort to block certification of Biden’s victory.
“Congress would take away the power to choose the president from the people and place it in the hands of whichever party controls Congress,” wrote Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) in an op-ed posted Tuesday. “This action essentially would end our tradition of democratic presidential elections, empowering politicians and party bosses in Washington.”
While Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has warned his conference that Wednesday’s maneuver would be a “terrible” vote, he is not actively whipping against it. He’s going to come down against the effort personally but is encouraging members to follow their conscience.
Wednesday’s vote will amount to Senate Republicans’ most significant rejection of Trump, who continues to make false claims about widespread voter fraud in the election he lost. While the president this week attacked Republicans who rejected his efforts, some of his strongest supporters argue that breaking with the president this time should not erase their ardent support over the past four years.
“I support President Trump and have worked with the president to advance policies important for North Dakota and our nation,” Sen. John Hoeven (R-N.D.) said. But “the people of North Dakota do not want Congress to determine their vote, and we should not set the precedent by doing it for other states.”




I think the Republicans are making a serious error in challenging' teh' Electoral college vote - it is a short-sighted endeavor with likely serious repercussions.

I do believe that the DPST's - in many states - engineered voter fraud - and look at it as their 'right" with a free pass from criminal conduct charges by DPST DA's and state legislatures.

Still, the number of fraudulent votes cannot be determined without careful and complete investigations - which are blocked by the participating DPST led states.

Was there enough voter fraud to swing 'teh' election - no way to know for sure - but i think not.

Trump made a serious political mistake in allowing the Biden DPST campaign to focus on his persona ( which is narcissist and can be objectionable ) - rather than the accomplishments of Trump prior to the Wuhan virus - and the radical marxist anti-Freedom agenda of 'teh' aoc/berni/harris led DPST party.

Trump should not following 'teh' ridiculous advice of H.. to biden - ( ie resist, never concede, fight and never give it up) - which Trump may have taken. His fight in Georgia is non-constructive and won't change the outcome - and may disaffect Republican voters . and throw the election to the DPST radicals. If Trump did try to pressure the Georgia officials in charge of Voting to manufacture votes - it is a reprehensible act - and he should be out of office - and will be in 15 days.



The real issue is that DPST's want the Electoral college out of 'teh' Constitution - which will take a Constitutional amendment. If the EC is removed as a Constitutional provision, it focuses elections on the DPST population centers of the socialist states of kaifornia and NY - and puts those DPST strongholds in control of the national elections. The EC protects and preserves the smaller States in elections - and for good reason. The DPST's want to throw out teh EC - and control national elections to themselves. .



The republican lawmaker resistance to the EC Vote will fuel the fire of 'teh' DPST's to remove the EC - whether by constitutional Amendment of by fiat/EO of harris/aoc/bernie. They don't care - they don't believe in the Constitution or the rule of Law envisaged by the Founding Fathers who Wrote the document.
(i know - DPST's object to the term 'fathers's as insulting and patriarchal - - and prefer 'woke terminology" - 'peoples" )



I have grave concerns about the path chosen by the republicans in opposition to the EC vote . They best consider the consequences - particularly if the DPST's win both Senate seats.

DPST's will toss the EC - Constitutionally or not - because they will have free reign to 'remake America in our Socialist Image". It will be a major step towards the "Socialist paradise " envisaged by aoc, bernie, harris, and 'teh' DPST party.
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So the DPST's can do that without ratification?

Maybe if they had the majority in Congress.

However, currently, there are Democrats, Republicans and a couple of Independents.

DPST's live only in your tiny mind.

However, the EC outlived it's purpose decades ago. The majority should rule. Period.
Maybe it is actually possible for an ignorant gop to pull his ass out of the big orange corrupt ass and finally get a clue...except for the mucho corrupt clueless cruz cartel. Paxton is still hoping the corrupt pos will pardon the corrupt disgraced Texan though
Sadly the Electoral College ain’t going anywhere. We haven’t amended the constitution in more tha 50 years, I believe. There is a workaround that’s been suggested but none of the small states would go along with it.

There’s a suggesting that the states can pass legislation that their electors will be determined by the winner of the national popular vote. This would essentially make the electoral college none existent. It would likely only require the largest 7-8 states by elector count to agree to this and effectively the popular vote winner would be president.
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Banana Republic "we are" ,, the sad part is it is not good for anybody that's not a elite millionaire
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I think the Republicans are making a serious error in challenging the Electoral college vote - it is a short-sighted endeavor with likely serious repercussions.
Then let there be repercussions! What I am hearing from Hawley, he gave an extensive interview on Fox News last night, is that he wants agreement that there were irregularities in some states and he would like the members of Congress to acknowledge these irregularities without necessarily rejecting the electors. In other words, agree to setting up commissions in those disputed states and then we can get back to a vote on the electors.


Would that be an acceptable compromise? Just a promise that Penn. and Georgia and other states will acknowledge that they broke their own laws, not intentional fraud and a promise to not let it happen in the future.


Hawley says that far to many of his constituents for him to ignore, want him to stand up and say there were problems and I want an acknowledgement that these problems will be looked into. And don't tell me that the SC did look into this because they did not. They washed their hands of the matter essentially saying it was up to those states to fix the irregularities that happened in their own states and that is exactly what Hawley is asking for. Problem is, like the Penn. SC, won't acknowledge that their ruling, saying that the changing of the laws without the approval of the Legislature was OK with them.


For Georgia, for example to admit that the compromise between the Secy of State and Stacey Adams was unauthorized and illegal, which it was. The Georgia law clearly says that only the Legislature could change the laws that Abrams and the Secy of State made. Since there is no proof that this compromise, say curing ballots that didn't follow the letter of the law or accepting ballots later than the law allowed, necessarily effected Trump more than Biden, that matter can not now be adjudicated but can be fixed for future elections. Is that to much to ask?


I saw a funny clip of Maxine Waters presenting her objection to accepting the electors in a previous election, the very same process now be condemned as un-American and even treasonous, a preposterous notion and when it was brought to Waters attention that she needed a Senator to join her in her protest, she said I don't care! The presiding judge of the Senate said, "well, the rules do care" and graveled the end of the debate.


As long as this process is legal, I will not condemn it or speak against it. That is up to the will of the people to express through their Representatives their grievances and concerns.


This election is not going to be overturned and I can't imagine any election ever would be but the process exists and no matter what one thinks this process was put in place for, it's there.
Why is he only objecting to states won by Biden. Were there no irregularities in Texas? Was Ohio free from irregularities? If he was TRULY desiring what he claims them he’d pass legislation rather than objecting now. He can speak on the Senate floor whenever he wants. This isn’t about some agreement for an admission and to claim it is just buys into the partisanism.
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Why is he only objecting to states won by Biden. Were there no irregularities in Texas? Was Ohio free from irregularities? If he was TRULY desiring what he claims them he’d pass legislation rather than objecting now. He can speak on the Senate floor whenever he wants. This isn’t about some agreement for an admission and to claim it is just buys into the partisanism. Originally Posted by 1blackman1
Very obtuse! dims only targeted precincts and cities that they needed too! We know what happened! Sorry youll never admit it!
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All irregularities have to be specified and which state they come from.
Link to laws changed by sec. of state?

Vote curing is legal. What late votes?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ud/6189820002/

Too many issues in your post to address them all.

Nothing should happen until it is acknowledged that trump and his team have spread false and baseless claims about fraud in the election. The proof of that is prevalent in the media (truth matters, not the source). Also an admission of the lack of evidence of fraud or showing the evidence of fraud. They either have evidence or they don't.
Those actions were done by trumpys in an attempt to overturn the election.

That's fair.

Then let there be repercussions! What I am hearing from Hawley, he gave an extensive interview on Fox News last night, is that he wants agreement that there were irregularities in some states and he would like the members of Congress to acknowledge these irregularities without necessarily rejecting the electors. In other words, agree to setting up commissions in those disputed states and then we can get back to a vote on the electors.


Would that be an acceptable compromise? Just a promise that Penn. and Georgia and other states will acknowledge that they broke their own laws, not intentional fraud and a promise to not let it happen in the future.


Hawley says that far to many of his constituents for him to ignore, want him to stand up and say there were problems and I want an acknowledgement that these problems will be looked into. And don't tell me that the SC did look into this because they did not. They washed their hands of the matter essentially saying it was up to those states to fix the irregularities that happened in their own states and that is exactly what Hawley is asking for. Problem is, like the Penn. SC, won't acknowledge that their ruling, saying that the changing of the laws without the approval of the Legislature was OK with them.


For Georgia, for example to admit that the compromise between the Secy of State and Stacey Adams was unauthorized and illegal, which it was. The Georgia law clearly says that only the Legislature could change the laws that Abrams and the Secy of State made. Since there is no proof that this compromise, say curing ballots that didn't follow the letter of the law or accepting ballots later than the law allowed, necessarily effected Trump more than Biden, that matter can not now be adjudicated but can be fixed for future elections. Is that to much to ask?


I saw a funny clip of Maxine Waters presenting her objection to accepting the electors in a previous election, the very same process now be condemned as un-American and even treasonous, a preposterous notion and when it was brought to Waters attention that she needed a Senator to join her in her protest, she said I don't care! The presiding judge of the Senate said, "well, the rules do care" and graveled the end of the debate.


As long as this process is legal, I will not condemn it or speak against it. That is up to the will of the people to express through their Representatives their grievances and concerns.


This election is not going to be overturned and I can't imagine any election ever would be but the process exists and no matter what one thinks this process was put in place for, it's there. Originally Posted by HedonistForever
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I want reparations from this stolen election!

I demand it!