Proof FBI’s NICS Firearms-Background-Check is Gathering Our Private Info for INTERPOL

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Proof FBI’s NICS Firearms-Background-Check is Gathering Our Private Info for INTERPOL
Ammoland Inc. Posted on April 29, 2021 by John Crump

NICS User Guide Shows the FBI is Sharing Information With INTERPOL.


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WASHINGTON, D.C. –-(Ammoland.com)- Gun Owners of America has obtained and supplied AmmoLand News with copies of the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) User Manual. [embedded and linked below]

The first copy of the User Manual was obtained from a GOA’s initiated Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the FBI. The law enforcement agency heavily redacted the document. Certain information is exempt from FOIA requests. If an agency decides the information is exempt, they will blackout that section of the supplied document. Disputing what the government agencies can redact from public view tends to end up in courts, and fighting them is a drawn-out and time-consuming process.

Instead, we worked our contacts and were able to get a second copy of the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) User Manual from another source that showed the redacted information.

One of the FBI censored sections deals with giving U.S. citizens’ private data to INTERPOL, the international criminal police organization that facilitates worldwide police investigations.

When a licensed gun dealer (FFL) runs a gun buyer through NICS, the system checks four (4) databases. These databases are Interstate Identification Index (III), NICS Index, ICE Database, and the National Crime Information Center (NCIC). Located in NCIC data is INTERPOL’s Foreign Fugitive File (FFF). Note U.S. Authorities cannot arrest a subject just for being on the FFF.


FBI National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) User Manual Interpol Unredacted

Neither can the FBI use INTERPOL’s Foreign Fugitive File to deny the transfer of a firearm. This action begs the question of why the FBI would run a gun buyer against that part of NCIC. The document states that even though a person on the FFF doesn’t make them a “prohibited person.” It does raise a red flag for the FBI.

According to the unredacted copy of the NICS User Guide, the FBI employee doesn’t stop the transfer of the firearm at your local gun shop. After the sale is complete, the FBI representative will request the buyer’s address and personal information with a call to the FFL, who is compelled to cooperate. The FBI will then pass along the address, and possibly other private information, of the person who legally purchased a firearm to INTERPOL.

Gun owners have been told background checks are ONLY used to verify a person’s eligibility to buy a gun. This document seems to dispute this assertion. Now you can see why they want Universal Background Checks so bad…

NICS, in this case, is used to gather information on a U.S citizen or someone in the country legally who is eligible to buy a firearm. That intelligence is then supplied to a foreign law enforcement agency. It is unclear what INTERPOL does with the FBI-provided information, but it is clear that the target for the snooping is never informed that the FBI handed over their data to INTERPOL.

Certain crimes in INTERPOL countries are not crimes in the United States. Some of these foreign crimes are protected rights under our Constitution. Since handing over information is done each and every time regardless of the nature of the charge, the FBI could be handing over information about someone who was just exercising a God-given right.

Remove Prohibiting Offenses from NICS?

As in an earlier AmmoLand report, the number of people NICS denies for drug charges has fallen significantly over the past few years. At the time, AmmoLand News theorized that this could be because the decriminalization of marijuana in states around the country has led to fewer arrests.

The NICS User Manual gives another reason. The FBI rules allow the states to remove prohibiting offenses on someone’s record from the NICS database. That could mean that states are removing prior drug convictions from the person’s record in NICS because the procession of certain drugs is not prohibited under their state law. This ability to change records could explain the sharp in drug convictions preventing someone from buying a firearm.

Ratting You Out on Long Gun Purchases

There is also a long gun notification program built into NICS?

Buying a long gun over state lines is legal in the United States. NICS has a built-in program where an anti-gun state can request to be notified whenever their unsuspecting resident buys a long gun across state lines. In this case, on top of a state reporting a firearm sale to only NICS, NICS then reports a sale of a firearm to the nosey state. It isn’t clear how many states are signed up to use this program, but gun buyers should know it.

Also, the manual defaults to the buyers’ home-state law if the law is more restrictive than federal law. If a state law disqualifies a buyer for something that federal law does not, then the state can update NICS to reflect the disqualification. That means that California could disqualify purchases, that when made in-state violates CA’s laws, when the citizen is trying to buy a firearm in a free state like Arizona.

AmmoLand News will continue to analyze both documents and invite our citizen activists to do so as well. Working together to beat Government overreach.

View the PDF here: FBI National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) User Manual UNREDACTED
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What a Crumptard!!

Not surprised by this.

The biggest utility I can think of in this is for coordinating information on arms found during arms trafficking or commission of crimes or terrorism in places where such guns are not easily acceptable.

An example of this would be the November 2015 terror attack in Paris where one of the guns found was one of Obama's "Fast & Furious" guns. So an auto-converted AK that was made in the US was sold to the cartels and then made its way into the hands of jihadis in Paris.

The other two ideas exist as possibilities:

1.) the FBI isn't able to retain the firearm information from 4473's during a NICS check because of restrictions against establishing a "gun registry", but INTERPOL can because it's not bound by US law. This allows the FBI to backfill that info in the event of being allowed to have a registry, or:

2.)Basically being able to ask INTERPOL for the information if they think they need it. It's similar to how 14Eyes works - US Agencies are limited on how they can spy on US citizens, so they get the Europeans to do the spying for them, and the Europeans share the information with them.

Something that liberals don't want to know;
In France they had 100% weapon registration. The Nazis just went door to door and demanded the French surrender them. If they didn't have them anymore...well, you had a problem.
In Germany, they had people submit their family histories before they concocted the Nuremburg laws defining what was Jewish and what was not Jewish.
In World War I two psychologists tested millions of young men entering military service. After the war, they published their findings which was that fully half the American public should not "be allowed" to reproduce which led to Buck v Bell, eugenics, forced sterilizations, genocide of the black race, and justification for the Holocaust in Germany.
Don't give anyone anything

Something that liberals don't want to know;
In France they had 100% weapon registration. The Nazis just went door to door and demanded the French surrender them. If they didn't have them anymore...well, you had a problem.
In Germany, they had people submit their family histories before they concocted the Nuremburg laws defining what was Jewish and what was not Jewish.
In World War I two psychologists tested millions of young men entering military service. After the war, they published their findings which was that fully half the American public should not "be allowed" to reproduce which led to Buck v Bell, eugenics, forced sterilizations, genocide of the black race, and justification for the Holocaust in Germany.
Don't give anyone anything Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Liberals and Conservatives who gravitate toward the middle are the modern-day equivalent of Loyalists: They have a prey animal "Peasantry" mentality that requires a ruling class to kiss the ass of and tell them what to do, and they're terrified of anyone who challenges that pecking order.

They're more scared of guns themselves than actual violence, so they not only don't want guns themselves, but they want no one else to have them either except for the precious government they think is there to protect them.

The idea of overthrowing a tyrannical government is a foreign idea to them, because "MY government can't be tyrannical, we're the good guys!".

Ammoland... OK then.

That’s proof enough, eh?

Not surprised by this.

The biggest utility I can think of in this is for coordinating information on arms found during arms trafficking or commission of crimes or terrorism in places where such guns are not easily acceptable.

An example of this would be the November 2015 terror attack in Paris where one of the guns found was one of Obama's "Fast & Furious" guns. So an auto-converted AK that was made in the US was sold to the cartels and then made its way into the hands of jihadis in Paris.

The other two ideas exist as possibilities:

1.) the FBI isn't able to retain the firearm information from 4473's during a NICS check because of restrictions against establishing a "gun registry", but INTERPOL can because it's not bound by US law. This allows the FBI to backfill that info in the event of being allowed to have a registry, or:

2.)Basically being able to ask INTERPOL for the information if they think they need it. It's similar to how 14Eyes works - US Agencies are limited on how they can spy on US citizens, so they get the Europeans to do the spying for them, and the Europeans share the information with them. Originally Posted by GastonGlock

i'd say you are right on both points. as i always understood it the FBI can't keep background checks more than 90 days then it has to be purged. so in that 90 days they just "give" it to INTERPOL under some sketchy "info sharing" agreement and INTERPOL is free to keep it as long as the FBI wants.. er .. they want.


if you look at provisions in this new gun law these radical leftists want to pass there are many ways they can effectively keep citizens from buying or owning guns. first, you'd have to report all guns you currently own and pay "insurance" on them to the tune of $800 .. EACH. to me that would be about 16k. a YEAR. obviously this part is designed to force lawful gun owners into surrendering them to avoid the "insurance".


so since the FBI can't retain background checks they don't know how many guns you own. so no problem, right? not if INTERPOL has it all in some database.


then the FBI can send you a letter saying "Mr. TWK our records show you own 15 hand guns and 5 rifles, That will be $16,000 to keep them".


another way to prevent citizens from purchasing new guns is the proposed requirement of making anyone who wants to buy a gun to submit to a psychiatric evaluation. they also want to interview close family and friends, including ex-wives. or ex-husbands as the case may be. and this without any prior reports criminal or otherwise of any mental illness issues. they aren't just verifying prior issues, they are fishing for any reason to strike someone from buying a gun. as a few of us here know, most exes aren't likely to have good opinions of their former spouses, which is why they are former in the first place. perfect recipe for some pissed off ex to fabricate some bullshit just to deny you your right to buy a gun.


and i haven't heard anything you can do about that, no appeal as far as i know it at the moment. so if some pissed ex or old friend says you are mentally unstable that's it. your right to buy a gun is gone, probably forever.


beyond the fact that i doubt any of this is even remotely constitutional i don't think there are enough votes in Congress to pass it. many democratic voters also believe in the right to own guns and are gun owners too. that should be more than enough angry voters conservative or liberal to keep this egregious attempt to outlaw gun ownership from passing.

the FBI already has files on any gun owner that has purchased more than two guns in a calendar month. That goes back years. Remember that Loretta Lynch admitted that the ATF keeps all those forms even though the law clearly states that they must be destroyed after 180 days.

Forget Republicans and Democrats, this is law enforcement going back to J. Edgar Hoover. The more information has on a people, the easier they are to control...I mean protect. When the police arrest someone they book them, fingerprint them, and photograph them. If they are subsequently released and the charges are dropped, they keep those booking records. In a particular town, the police could go out with the intent of arresting everyone just so they can book them...and turn them loose with a sincere sorry.

Ammoland... OK then.

That’s proof enough, eh? Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

I'm so, so sorry that CNN didn't pick this up. You may want to learn to diversify your sources a little bit before people start accusing you of being ignorant.

If you read the article, it was information given to them from GOA after a FOIA query. So the information is from the government.

FYI - The GOA is the proper gun lobby. The NRA is a smoke screen that the MSM tries to keep you preoccupied with, but the only people who like the NRA are old hunters. People serious about 2A and fighting tyranny back the GOA.

i'd say you are right on both points. as i always understood it the FBI can't keep background checks more than 90 days then it has to be purged. so in that 90 days they just "give" it to INTERPOL under some sketchy "info sharing" agreement and INTERPOL is free to keep it as long as the FBI wants.. er .. they want.


if you look at provisions in this new gun law these radical leftists want to pass there are many ways they can effectively keep citizens from buying or owning guns. first, you'd have to report all guns you currently own and pay "insurance" on them to the tune of $800 .. EACH. to me that would be about 16k. a YEAR. obviously this part is designed to force lawful gun owners into surrendering them to avoid the "insurance".


so since the FBI can't retain background checks they don't know how many guns you own. so no problem, right? not if INTERPOL has it all in some database.


then the FBI can send you a letter saying "Mr. TWK our records show you own 15 hand guns and 5 rifles, That will be $16,000 to keep them".


another way to prevent citizens from purchasing new guns is the proposed requirement of making anyone who wants to buy a gun to submit to a psychiatric evaluation. they also want to interview close family and friends, including ex-wives. or ex-husbands as the case may be. and this without any prior reports criminal or otherwise of any mental illness issues. they aren't just verifying prior issues, they are fishing for any reason to strike someone from buying a gun. as a few of us here know, most exes aren't likely to have good opinions of their former spouses, which is why they are former in the first place. perfect recipe for some pissed off ex to fabricate some bullshit just to deny you your right to buy a gun.


and i haven't heard anything you can do about that, no appeal as far as i know it at the moment. so if some pissed ex or old friend says you are mentally unstable that's it. your right to buy a gun is gone, probably forever.


beyond the fact that i doubt any of this is even remotely constitutional i don't think there are enough votes in Congress to pass it. many democratic voters also believe in the right to own guns and are gun owners too. that should be more than enough angry voters conservative or liberal to keep this egregious attempt to outlaw gun ownership from passing. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

the FBI already has files on any gun owner that has purchased more than two guns in a calendar month. That goes back years. Remember that Loretta Lynch admitted that the ATF keeps all those forms even though the law clearly states that they must be destroyed after 180 days.

Forget Republicans and Democrats, this is law enforcement going back to J. Edgar Hoover. The more information has on a people, the easier they are to control...I mean protect. When the police arrest someone they book them, fingerprint them, and photograph them. If they are subsequently released and the charges are dropped, they keep those booking records. In a particular town, the police could go out with the intent of arresting everyone just so they can book them...and turn them loose with a sincere sorry. Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

That's one of the reasons I enjoy having my Texas CHL - I still have to fill out the 4473, but nothing gets sent electronically, and no phone call gets made. The ATF or the FBI don't get to find out what I bought until they decide to walk into the shop and pull the paper files themselves.

Not surprised by this.

The biggest utility I can think of in this is for coordinating information on arms found during arms trafficking or commission of crimes or terrorism in places where such guns are not easily acceptable.

An example of this would be the November 2015 terror attack in Paris where one of the guns found was one of Obama's "Fast & Furious" guns. So an auto-converted AK that was made in the US was sold to the cartels and then made its way into the hands of jihadis in Paris.

The other two ideas exist as possibilities:

1.) the FBI isn't able to retain the firearm information from 4473's during a NICS check because of restrictions against establishing a "gun registry", but INTERPOL can because it's not bound by US law. This allows the FBI to backfill that info in the event of being allowed to have a registry, or:

2.)Basically being able to ask INTERPOL for the information if they think they need it. It's similar to how 14Eyes works - US Agencies are limited on how they can spy on US citizens, so they get the Europeans to do the spying for them, and the Europeans share the information with them. Originally Posted by GastonGlock

There is no proof a "fast and furious" weapon was used in Paris. Every article I could find referenced a judicial watch story that had no names and a statement from the ATF that no weapons were traced from Paris.
Judicial watch claims it was a coverup without any evidence to back up their conclusions.
Their version claims the gun came from a Phoenix man who had illegally sold guns before.
Again there is no evidence except judicial watch's claim of a coverup.
As usual, there is no real follow up or additional coverage about the story.




https://redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/...eration-n60141

https://www.judicialwatch.org/corrup...-came-phoenix/

I'm so, so sorry that CNN didn't pick this up. You may want to learn to diversify your sources a little bit before people start accusing you of being ignorant.

If you read the article, it was information given to them from GOA after a FOIA query. So the information is from the government.

FYI - The GOA is the proper gun lobby. The NRA is a smoke screen that the MSM tries to keep you preoccupied with, but the only people who like the NRA are old hunters. People serious about 2A and fighting tyranny back the GOA.



That's one of the reasons I enjoy having my Texas CHL - I still have to fill out the 4473, but nothing gets sent electronically, and no phone call gets made. The ATF or the FBI don't get to find out what I bought until they decide to walk into the shop and pull the paper files themselves. Originally Posted by GastonGlock

i let my Texas CHL expire some time ago. in Texas it's "almost" unneeded. i can carry a loaded gun in my center console without it. and in your own home in Texas you certainly don't need a CHL to defend your property. in the case of a justified self defense case where someone breaks into your house you'll be hard pressed to find a grand jury that won't decline to charge you. probably even in libtard Austin. lol.


i may renew it for several reasons. just because i can works for me. and most states that allow CHL are reciprocal with your home state CHL so you can get an out of state CHL there. that may have changed where you don't get an actual out of state CHL anymore but as long as you have a current state CHL the other state recognizes it while you are visiting that state.


and as you point out the CHL s a waiver for the background check. yet another reason.

speaking of CHL, i had one in Kentucky before i moved to Texas. at the time in Kentucky, if you had a CHL anything is considered a legal concealed weapon. not just hand guns. if you can conceal a pitch fork it was legal. samari sword. legal.


that's changed somewhat but today in Kentucky you can still carry more than just a hand gun.


Kentucky concealed carry licenses are referred to as Concealed Carry of Deadly Weapons (CCDW) licenses, and they apply to not only handguns but also knives, clubs, blackjacks, nunchaku, shuriken and brass knuckles.


as of 2019 Kentucky is now a Constitutional right to carry state. to open carry you don't need a CHL.


https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/res...p/ky-gun-laws/


in Texas ..


Texas has no laws regarding the carrying of long guns (rifles or shotguns) in motor vehicles. Texas does not require a person to have a valid handgun license in order to carry a loaded handgun in a motor vehicle or watercraft if the vehicle is owned by the person or under the person's control.Mar 31, 2021

There is no proof a "fast and furious" weapon was used in Paris. Every article I could find referenced a judicial watch story that had no names and a statement from the ATF that no weapons were traced from Paris.
Judicial watch claims it was a coverup without any evidence to back up their conclusions.
Their version claims the gun came from a Phoenix man who had illegally sold guns before.
Again there is no evidence except judicial watch's claim of a coverup.
As usual, there is no real follow up or additional coverage about the story.




https://redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/...eration-n60141

https://www.judicialwatch.org/corrup...-came-phoenix/


Originally Posted by VerySkeptical

Been 5 years since I've broached the topic, yeah, I'm disappointed with the lack of evidence, but The Hill believed it enough to run it, and I like to think they're on the level.

i let my Texas CHL expire some time ago. in Texas it's "almost" unneeded. i can carry a loaded gun in my center console without it. and in your own home in Texas you certainly don't need a CHL to defend your property. in the case of a justified self defense case where someone breaks into your house you'll be hard pressed to find a grand jury that won't decline to charge you. probably even in libtard Austin. lol.


i may renew it for several reasons. just because i can works for me. and most states that allow CHL are reciprocal with your home state CHL so you can get an out of state CHL there. that may have changed where you don't get an actual out of state CHL anymore but as long as you have a current state CHL the other state recognizes it while you are visiting that state.


and as you point out the CHL s a waiver for the background check. yet another reason. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

The only time I don't carry is when I'm in the shower, which is why I keep the S&W handy while I Scrub & Wash

I posted this about the atf tracing center a few years ago. can't find the thread it was in.

it a very cumbersome process.

short version 00:01:52



long version 00:10:06

Been 5 years since I've broached the topic, yeah, I'm disappointed with the lack of evidence, but The Hill believed it enough to run it, and I like to think they're on the level.



The only time I don't carry is when I'm in the shower, which is why I keep the S&W handy while I Scrub & Wash

Originally Posted by GastonGlock

LOL the only time i don't smoke is in the shower because they haven't invented waterproof cigarettes yet. and no i'd don't consider vape pens real cigs.



i don't keep a gun in the shower either. that's just a little too paranoid for me .. assuming you aren't joking. i do however have loaded guns stashed in every major room i frequent. i have one in my office as i type this post. a russian makarov military pistol. not a great gun, it's heavy, all metal, way to early for polymer and such, fixed sights but it's accurate and reliable. i keep a S&W .357 snub nose in my truck, a Taurus .45 ACP in my nightstand along with a really fucking bright high power digital flashlight. great for blinding someone in the dark. and the Taurus has tritium night sights. in my living room i have an end table that has a drawer in it. i have yet another gun stashed in that.



i worked with a guy who took a different approach, probably your approach. instead of stashing guns all over his house, and at the time he had young kids where i did not, he would just put his Kimber 1911 in his hip holster and walk around with it on his hip.