In extraordinary hour-long call, Trump pressures Georgia secretary of state to recalculate vote

Good thing trump will be gone in less than 20 days.
He is acting psychotic.
He may not make it to Jan. 20.

The election was decided over a month ago. It doesn't matter how many angry people there are. They are angry because they lost. It's that simple.
If that isn't the case, show some proof. Even trump has nothing but debunked conspiracy theories

We knew it would end like this. How did we know?

Because it started like this.


‘I just want to find 11,780 votes’: In extraordinary hour-long call, Trump pressures Georgia secretary of state to recalculate the vote in his favor

President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”

Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions, explaining that the president is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.
Trump dismissed their arguments.

“The people of Georgia are angry, the people in the country are angry,” he said. “And there’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated.”

Raffensperger responded: “Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong.”

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At another point, Trump said: “So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state.”

The rambling and at times incoherent conversation offered a remarkable glimpse of how consumed and desperate the president remains about his loss, unwilling or unable to let the matter go and still believing he can reverse the results in enough battleground states to remain in office.

“There’s no way I lost Georgia,” Trump said, a phrase he repeated again and again on the call. “There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.”
Several of his allies were on the line as he spoke, including White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and conservative lawyer Cleta Mitchell, a prominent GOP attorney whose involvement with Trump’s efforts had not been previously known.

In a statement, Mitchell said Raffensperger’s office “has made many statements over the past two months that are simply not correct and everyone involved with the efforts on behalf of the President’s election challenge has said the same thing: show us your records on which you rely to make these statements that our numbers are wrong.”

The White House, the Trump campaign and Meadows did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Raffensperger’s office declined to comment.

On Sunday, Trump tweeted that he had spoken to Raffensperger, saying the secretary of state was “unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the ‘ballots under table’ scam, ballot destruction, out of state ‘voters’, dead voters, and more. He has no clue!”
Raffensperger responded with his own tweet: “Respectfully, President Trump: What you’re saying is not true.”

The pressure Trump put on Raffensperger is the latest example of his attempt to subvert the outcome of the Nov. 3 election through personal outreach to state Republican officials. He previously invited Michigan Republican state leaders to the White House, pressured Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) in a call to try to replace that state’s electors and asked the speaker of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives to help reverse his loss in that state.

His call to Raffensperger came as scores of Republicans have pledged to challenge the electoral college’s vote for Biden when Congress convenes for a joint session on Wednesday. Republicans do not have the votes to successfully thwart Biden’s victory, but Trump has urged supporters to travel to Washington to protest the outcome, and state and federal officials are already bracing for clashes outside the Capitol.

Growing number of Trump loyalists in the Senate vow to challenge Biden’s victory

During their conversation, Trump issued a vague threat to both Raffensperger and Ryan Germany, the secretary of state’s general counsel, suggesting that if they don’t find that thousands of ballots in Fulton County have been illegally destroyed to block investigators — an allegation for which there is no evidence — they would be subject to criminal liability.
“That’s a criminal offense,” he said. “And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer.”

Trump also told Raffensperger that failure to act by Tuesday would jeopardize the political fortunes of David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, Georgia’s two Republican senators whose fate in that day’s runoff elections will determine control of the U.S. Senate.

Trump said he plans to talk about the fraud on Monday, when he is scheduled to lead an election eve rally in Dalton, Ga. — a message that could further muddle the efforts of Republicans to get their voters out.

“You have a big election coming up and because of what you’ve done to the president — you know, the people of Georgia know that this was a scam,” Trump said. “Because of what you’ve done to the president, a lot of people aren’t going out to vote, and a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative, because they hate what you did to the president. Okay? They hate it. And they’re going to vote. And you would be respected, really respected, if this can be straightened out before the election.”
Trump’s conversation with Raffensperger put him in legally questionable territory, legal experts said. By exhorting the secretary of state to “find” votes and to deploy investigators who “want to find answers,” Trump appears to be encouraging him to doctor the election outcome in Georgia.

But experts said Trump’s clearer transgression is a moral one. Edward B. Foley, a law professor at Ohio State University, said that the legal questions are murky and would be subject to prosecutorial discretion. But he also emphasized that the call was “inappropriate and contemptible” and should prompt moral outrage.

“He was already tripping the emergency meter,” Foley said. “So we were at 12 on a scale of 1 to 10, and now we’re at 15.”

Throughout the call, Trump detailed an exhaustive list of disinformation and conspiracy theories to support his position. He claimed without evidence that he had won Georgia by at least a half-million votes. He floated a barrage of assertions that have been investigated and disproved: that thousands of dead people voted; that an Atlanta election worker scanned 18,000 forged ballots three times each and “100 percent” were for Biden; that thousands more voters living out of state came back to Georgia illegally just to vote in the election.
“So tell me, Brad, what are we going to do? We won the election, and it’s not fair to take it away from us like this,” Trump said. “And it’s going to be very costly in many ways. And I think you have to say that you’re going to reexamine it, and you can reexamine it, but reexamine it with people that want to find answers, not people who don’t want to find answers.”

Trump did most of the talking on the call. He was angry and impatient, calling Raffensperger a “child” and “either dishonest or incompetent” for not believing there was widespread ballot fraud in Atlanta — and twice calling himself a “schmuck” for endorsing Kemp, whom Trump holds in particular contempt for not embracing his claims of fraud.

“I can’t imagine he’s ever getting elected again, I’ll tell you that much right now,” he said.
He also took aim at Kemp’s 2018 opponent, Democrat Stacey Abrams, trying to shame Raffensperger with the idea that his refusal to embrace fraud has helped her and Democrats generally. “Stacey Abrams is laughing about you,” he said. “She’s going around saying, ‘These guys are dumber than a rock.’ What she’s done to this party is unbelievable, I tell you.”

The secretary of state repeatedly sought to push back, saying at one point, “Mr. President, the problem you have with social media, that — people can say anything.”

“Oh this isn’t social media,” Trump retorted. “This is Trump media. It’s not social media. It’s really not. It’s not social media. I don’t care about social media. I couldn’t care less.”

At another point, Trump claimed that votes were scanned three times: “Brad, why did they put the votes in three times? You know, they put ’em in three times.”
Raffensperger responded: “Mr. President, they did not. We did an audit of that and we proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.”

Trump sounded at turns confused and meandering. At one point, he referred to Kemp as “George.” He tossed out several different figures for Biden’s margin of victory in Georgia and referred to the Senate runoff, which is Tuesday, as happening “tomorrow” and “Monday.”

His desperation was perhaps most pronounced during an exchange with Germany, Raffensperger’s general counsel, in which he openly begged for validation.

Trump: “Do you think it’s possible that they shredded ballots in Fulton County? ’Cause that’s what the rumor is. And also that Dominion took out machines. That Dominion is really moving fast to get rid of their, uh, machinery. Do you know anything about that? Because that’s illegal.”

Germany responded: “No, Dominion has not moved any machinery out of Fulton County.”

Trump: “But have they moved the inner parts of the machines and replaced them with other parts?”

Germany: “No.”

Trump: “Are you sure? Ryan?”

Germany: “I’m sure. I’m sure, Mr. President.”

It was clear from the call that Trump has surrounded himself with aides who have fed his false perceptions that the election was stolen. When he claimed that more than 5,000 ballots were cast in Georgia in the name of dead people, Raffensperger responded forcefully: “The actual number was two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted.”

But later, Meadows said, “I can promise you there are more than that.”

Another Trump lawyer on the call, Kurt Hilbert, accused Raffensperger’s office of refusing to turn over data to assess evidence of fraud, and also claimed awareness of at least 24,000 illegally cast ballots that would flip the result to Trump.

“It stands to reason that if the information is not forthcoming, there’s something to hide,” Hilbert said. “That’s the problem that we have.”

Reached by phone Sunday, Hilbert declined to comment.

In the end, Trump asked Germany to sit down with one of his attorneys to go over the allegations. Germany agreed.

Yet Trump also recognized that he was failing to persuade Raffensperger or Germany of anything, saying toward the end, “I know this phone call is going nowhere.”

But he continued to make his case in repetitive fashion, until finally, after roughly an hour, Raffensperger put an end to the conversation: “Thank you, President Trump, for your time.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...555_story.html
In other words, they pulled a fox news on him and hung up.
We're well past the point some true evidence to back up trump's desperate attempt to stay in office.
trump's bizarre behavior and his party's too cowardly to say anything or their blatant disregard for the Constitution is unbelievable.
This makes trump's impeachment look like an achievement.

It was a perfect phone call from a perfect asshole that needs to be charged with treason. AND FUCKING HUNG

That shit was hilarious to listen to. Trumpys however will say “he is free to say what he wants” and to ask officials in Georgia to find him 11K votes so he’ll be the winner. Lol. We know Trump is terrible and will do or say anything but his Idiot Crew oughta by now just admit they they’ve been following a fool and that his behavior in pursuing this win is shameful and call it a loss.

But the my won’t. Because Trumpys are stupid, shameless, foolish and amoral.

The circular logic of the Trumpys is hilarious.

1. They believe there was election fraud
2. They want others to provide proof of election fraud.
3. They believe that if others don’t provide proof there’s a conspiracy to hide election fraud
4. They have no proof of election fraud.
5. They complain to the heavens that no one can find the election fraud.
6. They surround themselves with other fraud believers.
Hence
7. They believe there is election fraud.

It was a perfect phone call from a perfect asshole that needs to be charged with treason. AND FUCKING HUNG Originally Posted by skirtchaser79411

You sound like a perfectly reasonable fellow.

Come on now. He needs to be pilloried before he’s hung.

But I do believe he’ll fuck himself up even more before the Secret Service escorts him from the White House.

If he’s not swiftly on a flight to Russia, he’ll wind up facing criminal charges.

And then hanged. We all know he’s not hung.

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I have always thought he will run to Russia i guess time will tell and that bastard will leave his kids behind i am sure to face charges what a piece of shit he really is

You guys have your tin foil hats on?

H I M won

You guys have your tin foil hats on? Originally Posted by winn dixie

yep them troothers are tinned up.

Originally Posted by matchingmole

Stupid in chief of ignorant has no shame when it comes to trying to corrupt an honest election. He thinks all the gop should be as corrupt as him and his cartel along with the corrupt Texas and Florida

Stupid in chief of ignorant has no shame when it comes to trying to corrupt an honest election. He thinks all the gop should be as corrupt as him and his cartel along with the corrupt Texas and Florida Originally Posted by Tsmokies

How many times you gonna post this beyond madcow level conspiracy?

Just more Locker room talk!

It was a perfect phone call from a perfect asshole that needs to be charged with treason. AND FUCKING HUNG Originally Posted by skirtchaser79411

leave Barry Obama out of this!!!


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AMERICA'S BENEDICT ARNOLD


Obama was elected by the ignorant and uneducated. His election has turned out to be an unmitigated disaster for the USA at home and abroad. During the campaign Obama was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Now his wooly coat is off and everyone can see him for what he is.


Obama in taking his oath of office swore to protect us from enemies, foreign and domestic. This is impossible, due to the fact that he is a domestic enemy himself. He is a Manchurian candidate, groomed from childhood to be a dedicated Marxist.


Obama's tenure as president has destroyed thousands of jobs, mortgaged our children's futures, bowed to foreign despots, apologized and demeaned America, flaunted the Constitution, nationalized companies, bankrupted the nation, surrounded himself with and promoted known communists to positions of power within the administration, socialized medical care, is working to bring about the North American Union and globalization, mishandled the recent gulf spill, and now is arm twisting Congress to pass Cap & Trade which will be the final straw for our nation.


Behind an increasingly thin façade, Obama has shown himself to be a racist, a politician who would eat his grandmother if it would be in his self interest, a socialist with Marxist leanings, deceitful, a liar, retains strong Muslim leanings, an opportunist, dishonest, and very possibly an illegal alien.


Understand, what Obama has done and is doing is not just being done out of ignorance or naïveté. It is being done deliberately; the goal of which is to destroy the Republic and the free enterprise system, bankrupt the nation, and install a socialist/communist form of dictatorship to which will fundamentally change the nation and enslave our children.


Words that could be used to describe such behavior are: sedition, criminal, espionage or treason. I believe the word that best describes Obama is TRAITOR.* It's been said, we can survive enemies without, but we cannot survive traitors within!


http://www.issuesineducation.org/art...Cbenarnold.htm


President Obama’s selection of West Point for his Afghanistan speech was entirely appropriate. In the summer of 1780, Benedict Arnold betrayed George Washington’s movements and offered to surrender West Point to the British. This betrayal would have allowed the British to divide the colonies and force Washington’s retreat from his position in New York. It may have cost us the loss of the American Revolution.


With his characteristically political decision to announce an attack and intent to retreat by a specific date, Obama has, like Arnold, offered our enemies an opportunity to demoralize our military and divide our country and allies in the face of a resolute and fearless enemy. The big picture that many Americans ignore at their peril is that if we lose Afghanistan we lose nuclear-armed Pakistan and that means World War III. If you want to see what the aftermath of that might be like, go see the movie “The Road,” or “Testament,” (1983) and you’ll see the consequences of leaders without principle.


https://www.heraldnet.com/opinion/ob...nedict-arnold/




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