GFE vs PSE = huh?

Ok then, some of the lovely ladies here (and I find all ladies lovely) advertise all of their, lets say potential activities, such as on P411. Then there is a GFE donation or a PSE donation. What more am I to expect if I donate the PSE option? I know everyone is different but lets say as an average. Is it the Greek option that is considered to be PSE? Is it the moaning and dirty talk a gal will do? Or am I the porn star because of my size? Just through that last line in for fun. I was talking about my nose by the way. What were you thinking? So ladies, whats the deal? I kinda feel that if it is listed as an activity then it should be included in the listed donation but I don't want to start that fight. Help a porn star out.

I think it's become pretty meaningless.

Some gals try to claim GFE doesn't include BBBJ, but most guys consider that to be false advertising. Some of these want "PSE" rates for BBBJ.

I'm always worried about GFE vs. PSE girls myself. It sounds to me like they're not giving real GFE.

What do others think GFE vs. PSE girls mean?

To me, I'd rather have "real" GFE than "real" PSE. Hugging, kissing, talking, cuddling, "quiet" passion, etc. is better to me than extra energetic activities or "Oh, daddy, you're so big," and screaming. Although watching the lady have an earthshaking orgasm is a turn on either way.

Every girlfriend I've had has given me BBBJ so I would expect that from a GFE session unless is specifically lists CBJ. I've always considered PSE to be more of the dirty talk, COF, etc.

I'd have to agree with GneissGuy. It's totally subjective and even if you have services idenitfied in a P411 profile, it doesn't mean that they're not "up-sell" a-la-carte items.

The only thing that's important is what those terms mean to you. So when you contact a Provider just state what you're looking for or go trolling in the ISO section.

Make a list, check it twice then find out how naughtily nice they are.

I view PSE as the things that your SO won't won't do with you- again it's very subjective but generally, Greek, COF, cot, fisting, water sports, fantasy exploration, and certain role play scenarios that you would be looked at cross-eyed for talking about in your relationship. It's more about fun to me, as opposed to the passionate, kissing, cuddling version of GFE.

I have a hard time with GFE because I cannot guarantee that we will click and have that IOP, I can however guarantee that with PSE you will have fun and get to do the things you watch in porn and have been hung up on.

There are some people that GFE works with for me, but I would rather know them before we go there..... I know it's kinda backwards from most hobby experiences, but I'm just more comfy being wild and fun than passionate.


If it's a listed option on P411 it means it's on the table, but in what capacity? Well making your specific needs apparent will let me know if it's GFE or PSE. If you want to wreck me, you're gonna pay more, if we are going to get uber nasty, you're going to pay more, if you want some crazy stuff that I have to go buy props or supplies for..... You guessed it, you're going to pay more. In the interest of sanatation some things just need to be a one time use item......

Thank you DD for your explanation. As a provider I was wondering myself. I'm definitely not PSE, a few activities like COF might be allowed if you ask nicely, but I'm definitely a GFE type of gal.

Thanks guys and gals. Kind of what I thought. Nobody has a real answer to the question, its all depending on the indivigual. And I guess if I wanted something unusual in my personnel relationship, I payed extra for that also. Maybe wine with dinner instead of just ice tea.

And to DD - the idea of tearing you up is a nice thought.