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Court: Lap dances aren't tax-exempt

Decision comes after Latham adult bar fought hefty sales tax bill

Published 12:01 a.m., Friday, June 10, 2011

ALBANY -- While a lap dance might prompt a strong reaction from an audience, it doesn't rise to the level of art -- at least according to a state appellate court.

Thursday's ruling said entertainers at a local strip club are subject to sales taxes, and their expressions are not considered choreographed artistic performances that would be exempt.

Nite Moves, an adult "juice bar" on Route 9 in Latham, has been fighting the tax law -- first in an administrative hearing and then in court -- following a 2005 audit by the state Division of Taxation that concluded the club owed nearly $125,000 in sales tax, plus interest for door admission charges and private dance sales. The Appellate Division of state Supreme Court upheld that decision in an unanimous opinion.

Patrons at Nite Moves "view exotic dances performed by women in various stages of undress," the decision said. Revenue is generated from admission charges, "couch sales" -- the fee charged when a dancer performs for a customer in one of the club's private rooms -- as well as register sales from the non-alcoholic beverages sold and house fees paid by the dancers to the club.

Nite Moves is operated by 677 New Loudon Corporation, which after the audit sought a determination at a hearing by an administrative law judge. New Loudon contended the dances "both on stage and in the private rooms qualified as 'dramatic or musical arts performances'," making them exempt under the state's Tax Law.


The hearing officer agreed that the door charges and private dance fees were not taxable. The Tax Division filed the case with the Tax Appeals Tribunal, which reversed the hearing officer, concluding the sales tax could be imposed under subdivisions of the state law. The club's management then filed a so-called Article 78 proceeding challenging the Tribunal's determination.

Associate Justice John C. Egan Jr. wrote a nine-page ruling that cited numerous elements of tax case law and went into exhaustive detail defining aspects such as dramatic or musical arts, choreography and whether Nite Moves qualified as a "place of amusement."

"Hence, the issue distills to whether the club's admission and private dance fees constitute charges for admission to a 'live dramatic, choreographic or musical performance,'" he wrote.

The club sought expert testimony from a cultural anthropologist who researched the field of exotic dance, visited the club and reviewed the dances depicted on the Nite Moves DVD. She offered an opinion that "the presentations at Nite Moves are unequivocally live dramatic choreographic performances."

The unnamed expert further concluded that the private dances performed at the club, such as lap dances, involved "similar kinds of movements" as those portrayed by the dancers on stage and therefore also "qualified as choreographed performances."

The five-member court disagreed. The record from the Tax Tribunal hearing showed the club's dancers were not required to have formal training and relied on videos or suggestions from other dancers "to learn their craft."

The appellate court found no merit to the club's argument, and lacked sufficient proof to sustain a tax exemption. The dances offered at the club "did not constitute 'live dramatic or musical arts performances' within the meaning of the statute," the court held.

Further the court said there was nothing in the record to suggest the taxing was being applied in a discriminatory manner.

The club was represented by attorney W. Andrew McCullough of Utah. The state attorney general's office with attorney Robert M. Goldfarb represented the Taxation and Finance commissioner.

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GREAT info.

Thank you for sharing!
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You're welcome. The actual Appellate Division opinion is also available online, isn't too long, and makes for VERY fun reading.

If I was a provider, I'd seriously consider registering with the State to collect sales tax. When they send the pencil-pushers after you, things can get ugly fast. Remember what happened to Al Capone . . .
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You're welcome. The actual Appellate Division opinion is also available online, isn't too long, and makes for VERY fun reading.

If I was a provider, I'd seriously consider registering with the State to collect sales tax. When they send the pencil-pushers after you, things can get ugly fast. Remember what happened to Al Capone . . . Originally Posted by Ray Howard

It is nauseating, the amount of ladies in the adult entertainment industry who do not make their contributions as a US citizen......

Just think:
roadways
schools
libraries
parks
on and on and on
and ON!

Shame on them, and shame on the men who support them!

"Know your provider...."
  • LynnT
  • 06-11-2011, 10:43 AM
You have to pay enough to at least cover your butt.. in any business.

I also think you should fudge a bit at the government rapes you all around and taxes things to Death!! We over pay already.. why pay more?

I also think the government is a bunch of freaking screw ups that cant manage money.. why should we enable them to screw up more money? Money you worked your butt off to earn..

Just like by the time I will use my SS there will be nothing for me even know Ive paid in for 30 years.. I pay for everyone else and I will get nothing.

They need to reduce taxes so the money will filter into the economy which is needed more than what the government needs, put is dept some more.. Or how about we reduce some of the staffs pay?
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Lynn, I didn't know you were a closet Libertarian! Welcome to the club!

You have to pay enough to at least cover your butt.. in any business.

I also think you should fudge a bit at the government rapes you all around and taxes things to Death!! We over pay already.. why pay more?

I also think the government is a bunch of freaking screw ups that cant manage money.. why should we enable them to screw up more money? Money you worked your butt off to earn..

Just like by the time I will use my SS there will be nothing for me even know Ive paid in for 30 years.. I pay for everyone else and I will get nothing.

They need to reduce taxes so the money will filter into the economy which is needed more than what the government needs, put is dept some more.. Or how about we reduce some of the staffs pay? Originally Posted by LynnT
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Do the elected serve the people or the government and a few to many that will not put into the system. Most sewer and water authority's make a small profit or break even. As some other Authority's and agency's of government. But most are like a boat "a hole in the water to place money" with little or no value to most of the people or is that now taxpayer. As we get close to there are more takers than payers.
  • LynnT
  • 06-11-2011, 12:36 PM
Its a complete sham. Even locals.. I have first hand experience they are out for them self and not the people. Hell LE has hooker wives, LE visits hookers off the clock, DA's and judges drink and drive; smoke MJ. Just like the cops take the MJ and smoke it when they bust you. Manipulate what ever and who ever to get what they want.

Maybe a handful of good eggs.
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  • Doove
  • 06-11-2011, 01:42 PM
I also think you should fudge a bit at the government rapes you all around and taxes things to Death!! We over pay already.. why pay more? Originally Posted by LynnT
Rationalizing criminality. Nice. If you wanna cheat on your taxes, go ahead and cheat. But at least be honest about what it is you're doing. Trying to rationalize it only makes you sound silly.

I also think the government is a bunch of freaking screw ups that cant manage money.. why should we enable them to screw up more money?
Because doing so is the only way to allow for the services provided by the government that you and everyone else would be loathe to go without?

Money you worked your butt off to earn..
Which, again, pays for the services we all insist on.

Just like by the time I will use my SS there will be nothing for me even know Ive paid in for 30 years.. I pay for everyone else and I will get nothing.
Perfect example. To my mind, the #1 threat to social security is people who whine about paying taxes.

They need to reduce taxes so the money will filter into the economy which is needed more than what the government needs, put is dept some more..
"The government" doesn't need anything. We can argue all day about expenditures around the fringe, but the vast bulk of all spending goes towards services to the American people. So if you want to complain about who needs what, start with us, Americans.

Or how about we reduce some of the staffs pay?
You do realize, don't you, that the staff's pay is filtered back into the economy? In fact, the vast bulk of all spending is filtered back into the economy. So if that is truly your concern...
  • LynnT
  • 06-11-2011, 02:30 PM
Ive paid my taxes fair and square since I was 15 and Im almost 38. Just like I will pay taxes on this job. And yes I will fully admit I will fudge it a bit, Ive paid money in and didnt get a return for many years already. Sorry Im not 100% perfect, PC, etc. You are and good for you its your life. Either way you want to bust on me about rationalizing criminal behavior.. this a hooker board, you sleep with hookers.. You partake in criminal behavior. I dont hide who I am or try to make people be like me, have my beliefs, or expect people to agree with my opinion.

Ive gone to government funded programs etc, things that help(why we pay taxes) and I got denied every time. Someone single with no kids doesnt ever need help apparently. Or opps the money is all gone.. Or my friend with kids needs help, she works her butt off and pays taxes. The girl is starving to feed her kids.. no help opps no more money, or opps you make $75 over the qualification limit.

When you keep getting screwed and see people keep getting screwed over by the government.. well.. You tend not to believe they are here for the Americans.

I also know there are idiots that partake in sucking tax money, its not all their fault.


Either way its just my opinion, we pay too much in taxes and they spend our hard earned money on things they shouldn't or just waste it.. Ive also had some very candid convos with people in higher places.. Im not just talking.., this is my experience with our infamous government.
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Beaurocratic bloat & redundancy is one of the big reasons taxes don't cover costs. That and welfare programs that support those that don't want to work. And don't tell me they can't, there are legit recipients but also leeches. If you want a check, do something for it. As Lynn said there are too many hard working people who can't qualify for the programs that were meant to help them. I see that as waste, and if they aren't going to fix it, eliminate it. My money could do better if I gave it to a non-profit, the gov't has proven they are piss-poor at managing money.
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Originally Posted by LynnT

I also think you should fudge a bit at the government rapes you all around and taxes things to Death!! We over pay already.. why pay more?


Rationalizing criminality. Nice. If you wanna cheat on your taxes, go ahead and cheat. But at least be honest about what it is you're doing. Trying to rationalize it only makes you sound silly.
Tax is just overly high. And worse they spend more than we put in. we need another Boston tea party.
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I also think the government is a bunch of freaking screw ups that cant manage money.. why should we enable them to screw up more money?

Because doing so is the only way to allow for the services provided by the government that you and everyone else would be loathe to go without?
Like the Agency that makes sure every road has electricity even if the all farms on the road are Amish.
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Money you worked your butt off to earn..

Which, again, pays for the services we all insist on.
or made a utility put power lines down a private road for cabins where none of the owners wanted it. As that is why bought a summer home or hunting camp on a road with no power. They did not want it.
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Just like by the time I will use my SS there will be nothing for me even know Ive paid in for 30 years.. I pay for everyone else and I will get nothing.

Perfect example. To my mind, the #1 threat to social security is people who whine about paying taxes.
Or is it things like if your on SSI you can get a free cell if you want it or not as they think a cell phone is a human right. and SSI pays the bill also.
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They need to reduce taxes so the money will filter into the economy which is needed more than what the government needs, put is dept some more..

"The government" doesn't need anything. We can argue all day about expenditures around the fringe, but the vast bulk of all spending goes towards services to the American people. So if you want to complain about who needs what, start with us, Americans.
Ya whats a few bridges to nowhere. I hope they made sure there was power on the road to nowhere also.
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Or how about we reduce some of the staffs pay?
You do realize, don't you, that the staff's pay is filtered back into the economy?

In fact, the vast bulk of all spending is filtered back into the economy. So if that is truly your concern...
NY has more employees per people in NY than most or all others states of the union. I would bet same is true for are fed.

Its just out of control. The tax on tobacco is more than what they sell it for before the sales tax. mmm tax on the tax, sweet. And the line its to pay for the health care of smokers is a lie. But before you think of my health. Is it not close to the same for rubber and oil. mmmmmm now that adds cost to the road trip to Rochester or Canada for pussy.

The cost of getting a fishing or hunting was to pay for the administration of, DEC enforcement, happy hunting land and conservation. Yet most of water bill for NYC is paid for by it. With most of the cash going to NYS general fund.

So if they want to tax pussy. I will see you at the reservation. Hope you don't mind that I smoke.

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  • Doove
  • 06-11-2011, 04:15 PM
Either way you want to bust on me about rationalizing criminal behavior.. this a hooker board, you sleep with hookers.. You partake in criminal behavior. Originally Posted by LynnT
Yeah, and i even rationalize it based on circumstances in my life. But it's one thing to tell the officer you were speeding because you'll be fired if you're late for work, while it's quite another to tell him you were speeding simply because you think the speed limit is unfair.

Ive gone to government funded programs etc, things that help(why we pay taxes) and I got denied every time. Someone single with no kids doesnt ever need help apparently. Or opps the money is all gone.. Or my friend with kids needs help, she works her butt off and pays taxes. The girl is starving to feed her kids.. no help opps no more money, or opps you make $75 over the qualification limit.

When you keep getting screwed and see people keep getting screwed over by the government.. well.. You tend not to believe they are here for the Americans.
I fail to see how any of the scenarios you describe are indicative of someone getting screwed over by the government. If you or your friends meet the criteria required to get help, you'll get help. While failing to qualify may suck and be unfortunate, i don't see it qualifying as "getting screwed". I will give you credit though, most anti-government types complain about social program eligibility not being strict enough. It sounds as if your complaint is that it's too strict. If it's too strict, it likely means we don't pay enough in taxes. Seems you have a bit of a conundrum.

That and welfare programs that support those that don't want to work. And don't tell me they can't, there are legit recipients but also leeches. Originally Posted by roscoe14850
My own thinking is that a difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals are willing to hold their nose and allow undeserving people to get help, if it allows deserving people to get help. Conservatives, on the other hand, would rather deny help to deserving people if that's what's required to make sure that undeserving people don't also get it.

My money could do better if I gave it to a non-profit, the gov't has proven they are piss-poor at managing money.
If i thought for a second that charities had the means to accomplish everything that government does, i'd be with you on this. Unfortunately, that's not the case, and never will be.
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  • Doove
  • 06-11-2011, 04:51 PM
Like the Agency that makes sure every road has electricity even if the all farms on the road are Amish.

or made a utility put power lines down a private road for cabins where none of the owners wanted it. As that is why bought a summer home or hunting camp on a road with no power. They did not want it. Originally Posted by offshoredrilling
You have me curious, OSD. I tried to google it, but came up empty. I'd love to read the details on this - is there a link you could provide?
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Doove, you're right, charities can't do everything the gov't can but maybe if we gave them the money the gov't wasted, they could get a lot more done. You don't fix a hole in a barrel by pouring more water in it do you? I have no problem with social programs as long as they help those who truly deserve. Forget the fish, give them a fishing rod.