Reading and Listening but having a hard time see the draw of FBSM and have NO IDEA why some expect GFE type service from a rub & tug

OK... I'm having a hard time figuring out the draw of a Rub and Tug place.

Im not looking to start anything.... Not faulting anyone for their preferences..... but.....

Are the massages all that great? I can get a legitimate massage for $40-$60 if that's what I am looking for. Getting "Level 1" or "Level 2" in a strip club lately is about $60 of it takes ya 3 songs.... basically #20 per song for as long as you last.....

If you book for an hour how much time is rub and how much is the happy ending?

I read where some guys complain about the lack of a connection with the the gal servicing. How do you connect in 30-45 minutes just laying there?

Or that she is not "GFE"? How the fuck can ya expect GFE?

So little time, part of it with your ass in the air while looking down.... Come on.. GFE?

Forgive me but in 36 years of having a GF and getting a massage here and there a Hand Job or a blow Job was simply never a part of the massage.... Sure... a few of them led to more fun and THAT would drop it into GFE territory but it almost always entailed the massage being reciprocated and my rubbing her a while....

Sorry. I'm trying to understand.

I was in Houston before Black Tuesday and "Spas" had an entirely different meaning and purpose.

I also remember being on a massage table in a room at a Wild Flowers Incall during a Pool Party because the other rooms were in use. I'm telling you that my fat ass does not fit and be comfortable on those narrow tables.

Anyway.....

What's up with GFE Rub and Tugs?

I'd guess that those who talk about GFE rub & tug are ticking off check items - LFK, DFK, FIV, DATY, CFS, BBBJ, etc...

There are some spas in Houston that would be close to GFE, especially if you speak the right language, though time is still short.

Are the massages all that great? I can get a legitimate massage for $40-$60 if that's what I am looking for. Getting "Level 1" or "Level 2" in a strip club lately is about $60 of it takes ya 3 songs.... basically #20 per song for as long as you last..... Originally Posted by Whispers

Whispers, I think the issue you're having is that you're trying to compare an FBSM session to a GFE session and/or strip club experiences. While the end goal may be the same for some gentlemen, the path to pleasure/satisfaction is different in each scenario.

Knowing that you haven't really frequented FBSM providers in the past, I can understand where your confusion stems from. Hopefully I can shed some light on the issue, at least from my/our studio's point of view.

Are the massages all that great? I can get a legitimate massage for $40-$60 if that's what I am looking for. Getting "Level 1" or "Level 2" in a strip club lately is about $60 of it takes ya 3 songs.... basically #20 per song for as long as you last..... Originally Posted by Whispers

The Girlfriend Experience is not about sex or any number of sexual acts. It's about the emotions and sensations that an encounter stirs in the client. That feeling of instant comfort and familiarity, tinged with a bit of nervous anticipation, as if you're on the third date with a really great woman, and looking forward to where the night might take you. An instant emotional connection, fostered by the provider's natural warmth and openness when she greets you, and amplified by her genuine interest in you, your life and the things that make you tick. Conversation flows easily, bringing even the most nervous visitor out of his shell.

I read where some guys complain about the lack of a connection with the the gal servicing. How do you connect in 30-45 minutes just laying there? Originally Posted by Whispers

If both people are open to making a connection, it can happen in an instant. When I opened the door for my first appointment with a client who is my SO, it took a grand total of about 30 seconds for me to think to myself, "I already don't want him to leave," and about another hour for the thought that he might be "the one" to cross my mind. I could go into some cheesy diatribe about love at first sight, but based on what we've shared with each other about that day, it was more like a perfect storm of intellectual curiosity, the slow buildup between the time we scheduled the appointment, anxious anticipation, and instant attraction that happened when I opened the door. My point is...

The connection begins from the first time you contact her (or she you). She should be flirtatious, answer any questions you have politely, and ask a few questions to get a feel for your likes, dislikes and personality. She lets you know she's looking forward to seeing you. When you arrive for your session, the location is clean, with appropriate music, candles and a sensual mood permeating the room. The provider asks you about what's going on in your life (and actually cares), offers you a drink or a snack, and ensures that you're comfortable in your surroundings. Throughout the entire session, you continue to feel that third date excitement, but otherwise your mood is relaxed, and you're already thinking about your next visit. When it's time to part ways, you hesitate when walking out, just to hang on to that feeling for a few more moments. Overall, the GFE is about fulfilling needs and desires. But it goes beyond fulfilling the need for sexual release, into the needs for physical intimacy, emotional intimacy, and acceptance, and the desire to feel a little less alone in the world, just for a brief period of time.

Similarly, the FBSM experience is not about sex or any number of sexual acts. Rather, it is about escape, relaxation, and sensuality. It's about feeling pampered and nurtured on multiple levels, without having to do any "work" or worry about pleasing your partner. With a great FBSM, it's all about you and your state of mind. Anything "extra" the provider chooses to do is also about you. In general, an FBSM provider differs from a GFE provider in that they genuinely want to take care of you. Offers to "take care of them" or "make them feel good" the like are generally met with resistance because it goes against the nature of the session. In my personal opinion, if you're seeking GFE "activities," then you should be scheduling with a GFE provider, not an FBSM provider.

Now, with all of that in mind... I think the ideal FBSM provider, whether she be independent or with a studio, will impart a GFE quality, or create a GFE environment, in every session she takes. Certainly, there will be some instances where two people just don't connect, but that's a fact of life.

Beyond that, the GFE is more than just a facade worn for the duration of your appointment. A true girlfriend experience arises from the provider's natural inclination to give, to nurture, and to please. Those inherent qualities can easily blend into an FBSM session. Some ladies take longer than others to learn how to open up to a client, but if the basic personality traits are there, the ability to connect quickly can be learned.

Things are a bit different when you're dealing with a facility versus an individual, but in that case, the entire staff should treat you like royalty. From the time you contact our studio, you should feel "connected" to the person scheduling your appointment. You should feel comfortable asking her polite questions, and trust that she'll help guide you to the provider that most suits your personal tastes. She should be helpful, informative, professional yet flirtatious, and an overall pleasure to deal with.

I've seen someone post that they'd rather get FS from an AMP where the provider doesn't speak English than pay for a non-FS FBSM. To each his own. But in my world, FS does not equal GFE, and GFE does not equal FS.

Just my $5.02. Take it and buy yourself something shiny, or toss it onto the street.

xoxo Bella

Whispers, I think that you just got the most complete answer possible. That is generally what will happen when you ask a question that is answered by an intelligent (and pretty too, but that is not pertinent to this question...).

Almost makes me want to pop my fbsm cherry....

G

FBSM I think should always be included for a man who works hard, I hear there is nothing better =) if the girl knows what shes doing.. I have heard great things about the ladies at bliss...

I'd guess that those who talk about GFE rub & tug are ticking off check items - LFK, DFK, FIV, DATY, CFS, BBBJ, etc...

There are some spas in Houston that would be close to GFE, especially if you speak the right language, though time is still short. Originally Posted by Rand Al'Thor

You're exactly right. Someone gave me a little shit, about saying an amp session was gfe, which I still say it is by definition. But just like many things in life, just because youcan put two things in the same category doesn't necessarily mean you can compare the two. A mitsubishi eclipse is a sports car, but a ferrari is just far superior.
I frequent the titty bars, I see escorts, occasionally I go to amps as well. There are reasons why I choose each one on a particular day, whether it be convenience, I have more time to kill, or how much baggage I want to deal with. I go to the titty trying to get laid for free 1st which I do often, yet don't mind paying as well. Of course the gfe scale fluctuates though!

Bella, well done.

What's up with GFE Rub and Tugs? Originally Posted by Whispers

Its like this for me Whispers... Suppose I go to my best friends house, and he tells me his smokin' hot little sister is off limits. We're sitting around chit chattin' and she starts giving me a massage. My friend looks over at me as to say, "you better not, asshole". Time goes on, and his stare, instead of scaring me, inadvertently makes me wonder what it would be like to pound his hot little sister. Once he's drunk and passes out, I see just how far I can get into her panties in the next 15 minutes just before he wakes up to puke or take a piss, and start a 2nd round of CODMW3.

In other words, those of us who like FBSM like the surprise of what we can negotiate, even though we know the menu is in a slightly more limited situation than GFE. I'd venture to bet that most guys who like to see what they can get from FBSM are in some sort of sales, and we look forward to the opportunity of leaving with something we bargained for that perhaps another guy didn't get. To the ladies reading, this doesn't mean become off limits. It means play the game for an enormous splooge on your tits. We'll all have more fun if you'll just tell us not to do it, and then you keep jerkin' so we have no other choice.

I can't see why any one finds deep throating a girl or COF appealing. I don't. Of course this makes 95% of porn unappealing to me but that's OK. Everyone is turned on by something different.

Also for some, FS is a line that they for one reason or another aren't ready to cross (with a provider)