Texas gun laws updates

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/86...l/HB01143I.htm
https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup...86R&Bill=HB302
https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup...86R&Bill=SB535

Quote from one of the sponsors of 535
"We have learned many times over that there is no such thing as a gun free zone. Those with evil intentions will violate the law and carry out their heinous acts no matter what," state Sen. Donna Campbell, co-sponsor of the bill, said in a statement. "It makes no sense to disarm the good guys and leave law-abiding citizens defenseless where violent offenders break the law to do great harm."

Doesn't Campbell have a very valid point?

On a related note, I've just bought a 60 round drum magazine for the AR. I keep reading the 100 round drums have feeding problems. Sometimes those white tail won't go down.

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/86...l/HB01143I.htm
https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup...86R&Bill=HB302
https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup...86R&Bill=SB535

Quote from one of the sponsors of 535
"We have learned many times over that there is no such thing as a gun free zone. Those with evil intentions will violate the law and carry out their heinous acts no matter what," state Sen. Donna Campbell, co-sponsor of the bill, said in a statement. "It makes no sense to disarm the good guys and leave law-abiding citizens defenseless where violent offenders break the law to do great harm."

Doesn't Campbell have a very valid point? Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

I prefer to allow all establishments, whether they be schools, private businesses, places of worship, or whatever else, to decide on gun policies for themselves. In all honesty I couldn't tell you my church's policy on allowing handguns on the property. I can tell you that since about a year ago we have had an armed police officer on campus during services.

I do not worry about whether or not I am entering a gun free zone. I do not search out the sign that must be posted to make an establishment a gun free zone. Each to his/her own.

"Gun free zone ARE Victim zones ( a piece of paper isn't gonna stop a nut job intent on harming people )

I do not worry about whether or not I am entering a gun free zone. I do not search out the sign that must be posted to make an establishment a gun free zone. Each to his/her own. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

And I'm guessing(and really hoping) that you are not planning on perpetrating a mass attack. However, gun free zones(whether individual locations choosing to be gun free or larger locales where guns are banned) appear to be the prime locations for mass shootings as well as a majority of gun violence as a whole.

"Gun free zone ARE Victim zones ( a piece of paper isn't gonna stop a nut job intent on harming people ) Originally Posted by rexdutchman

Before I retired I worked in an office building that was a gun free zone. I felt much safer than had guns been allowed in the building.

Before I retired I worked in an office building that was a gun free zone. I felt much safer than had guns been allowed in the building. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

You were wrong. Ask the offices in Maryland, Norfolk, and San Bernardino. Kill zones.

No JB, he said he FELT safer.

He’s not wrong.

Swing and miss.

And I'm guessing(and really hoping) that you are not planning on perpetrating a mass attack. However, gun free zones(whether individual locations choosing to be gun free or larger locales where guns are banned) appear to be the prime locations for mass shootings as well as a majority of gun violence as a whole. Originally Posted by eccielover

At this point in time there is no evidence to suggest that the individuals who committed these mass killings chose those locations because they were gun free zones. In the El Paso shootings, the killer obviously chose the Walmart because of the number of Mexican people he believed would be there. I doubt he had any idea that the Walmart was a gun free zone.

You were wrong. Ask the offices in Maryland, Norfolk, and San Bernardino. Kill zones. Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

How can you say I am wrong in that I felt perfectly safe in my gun free work location?

As I said, I go through my day without any thought about whether or not the area I am in is or is not a gun free zone.

No JB, he said he FELT safer.

He’s not wrong.

Swing and miss. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Thank you. Totally correct.

Those no gun signs are posted right in front of the door. I feel different then Speedracer - when my mom was in rehab from broken hip we had her in a rehab that a big no gun sign on the front door. My first thought was - fuck. To me, that's just a big invitation to murder people.

And I'm guessing(and really hoping) that you are not planning on perpetrating a mass attack. However, gun free zones(whether individual locations choosing to be gun free or larger locales where guns are banned) appear to be the prime locations for mass shootings as well as a majority of gun violence as a whole. Originally Posted by eccielover

Those no gun signs are posted right in front of the door. I feel different then Speedracer - when my mom was in rehab from broken hip we had her in a rehab that a big no gun sign on the front door. My first thought was - fuck. To me, that's just a big invitation to murder people. Originally Posted by Austin Ellen

Exactly.

https://www.gunstocarry.com/concealed-carry-statistics/



CCW Permit Holders Who Break The Law



CCW permit holders according to the statistics are unlikely to break the law. Remember there are over 16.3 million permit holders in the US so any violations are very rare. In fact there are probably no other groups of people in the US who are as law abiding. If we compare concealed carry permit holders to the police we can see just how law abiding they really are. The Police Quarterly conducted a study that showed police committed;

• 703 crimes per year (average from 2005 – 2007)
• 113 of those crimes involved firearms violations

That may be an underestimate when you take into consideration that not every crime committed by the police gets media attention. From 2005 – 2007 there was about 685,464 full time police officers in the US. This allows us to calculate that there was;
103 crimes per hundred thousand officers.
The crime rate for the entire US population was 37 times higher;
3,813 crimes per hundred thousand people
It may be that police crimes do not get reported as much due to fellow officers staying silent. But you cannot ignore the fact that there is a big gap between the police and the general population when it comes to reported crimes. If you look at the following figures you will see that concealed carry permit holders are actually more law abiding than the police.
Florida revoked 11,189 concealed carry permits for violations such as misdemeanors or felonies between 1987 -2017. This works out an annual rate of 10.4 permits revoked per 100,000.
Texas had 148 concealed carry permit holders convicted of a misdemeanor or felony in 2016. This works out to a conviction rate of 12.3 percent per 100,000. When the Texas and Florida data is combined it shows that CCW permit holders are convicted of felonies and misdemeanors at a rate of 2.4 per 100,000. While among police the rate is 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Texas and Florida have some of the highest rates of CCW permit holders but the figures are similar in other states with less permit holders.

In summary CCW permit holders are convicted of crimes at less than a sixth of that for police officers.


Banning guns in the hands of CHLicensees is a remedy in search of a problem. This group does not commit mass shootings, and commits crimes at a far lower level than that of police officers. Banning this law abiding group - which is carefully vetted, has no basis in reality of the propensity of this group to commit gun crimes.

Foolish Laws that do nothing to decrease the problem.
Ya think a mass shooter cares about obtaining a CHL and /or minding the signs which prohibit CHL carriers entering a site???
IMHO - now let's hear the misguided DPST bleats that banning AR-15's will solve all our problems.

At this point in time there is no evidence to suggest that the individuals who committed these mass killings chose those locations because they were gun free zones. In the El Paso shootings, the killer obviously chose the Walmart because of the number of Mexican people he believed would be there. I doubt he had any idea that the Walmart was a gun free zone. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

There are more Mexicans in Mexico for future reference. And it's supposedly an entirely "gun free" zone. Ask a Zeta.

On a related note, I've just bought a 60 round drum magazine for the AR. I keep reading the 100 round drums have feeding problems. Sometimes those white tail won't go down.

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Order cancelled. Sold out. Fuckin' fair weather gun freaks.