Sue Will Not Replace Us! Court says otherwise. Spencer and the Alt-White get whacked for $25MM

The White Supremacists who turned Charlottesville into a shit show (remember, there were very good people on both sides) got smacked for $25 million.

Guess that jury wasn't just whistling Dixie.

Fuck those Nazi bastards.

Robert E. Lee is likely cheering this decision from the grave.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ct/8685316002/

Jury awards plaintiffs $25 million in lawsuit against white supremacists behind violence at Charlottesville 'Unite the


A jury in Virginia decided Tuesday that a who's who of U.S. white supremacist leaders and hate groups should pay more than $25 million in damages to plaintiffs who said they suffered physical or emotional injuries during the deadly "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville in 2017.

Though the jury found the defendants liable under a Virginia conspiracy law, the seven white and four Black jurors were unable to reach a verdict on whether the defendants were liable under a federal statute that outlaws conspiracies to commit racially motivated violence.

Coming after a third day of deliberations, the decision showed the jurors rejected defense arguments that the trial represented a referendum on free speech rights.

The jurors imposed $500,000 each in punitive damages against several defendants and $1 million each against several organizations on the state conspiracy claim. They limited compensatory damages on that claim to no more than $1 each.

The jury found that lawyers for the plaintiffs proved a claim of racial or religious violence under Virginia law. The panel awarded two plaintiffs $250,000 each in compensatory damages and $200,000 each in punitive damages, to be paid by several defendants.

The jury imposed $12 million in punitive damages against James Alex Fields, a self-professed neo-Nazi who drove a car into the Charlottesville crowd, killing Heather Heyer. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison for the most indelible moment of violence during the rally.

The case represented the latest in a decades-old strategy of plaintiffs using civil lawsuits to hobble hate groups by attacking their finances. It's unclear whether the Charlottesville defendants would be able to pay.

The split verdict came one day after jurors sent a note to U.S. District Court Judge Norman Moon saying they had been unable to reach unanimous decisions on the federal conspiracy claim.

He thanked the jurors for their service Tuesday and assured them that a courtroom sketch artist's drawing of the verdict's delivery would not show their faces or other identifying characteristics.

"This case has sent a clear message: Violent hate won't go unanswered. There will be accountability," said Amy Spitalnick, executive director of Integrity First for America, which organized the lawsuit.

The nine plaintiffs still "intend to get a verdict" on the federal conspiracy claim by refiling the case, said Roberta Kaplan, one of the attorneys who represented the group.

"No one will ever bring violence to the streets of Charlottesville ever again, because they know what will happen if they do," Kaplan said.

Richard Spencer, a former leader of the white supremacist and white nationalist movement called the "alt-right," did not respond to a message seeking comment on the outcome of the trial in which he represented himself.

The case focused on two days in August four years ago when hundreds of white supremacists descended on Charlottesville. They marched with lit tiki torches and chanted, "Jews will not replace us." Fights broke out between white supremacists and counterprotesters.

The groundbreaking lawsuit was filed shortly after the rally by Charlottesville residents who said they had been injured in the violence. The plaintiffs included a minister and students.

Several defendants are leaders of the extremist right, including Christopher Cantwell, a neo-Nazi podcaster who is serving a prison sentence for extortion; white nationalist Jason Kessler, the Charlottesville rally's chief organizer; and Nathan Damigo, a white supremacist who founded the group Identity Evropa.

Attorneys for the plaintiffs argued that evidence showed the defendants planned the rally knowing violence would ensue.

White nationalist Richard Spencer, center, and his supporters clash with Virginia state police in Emancipation Park after the "Unite the Right" rally was declared an unlawful gathering Aug. 12, 2017, in Charlottesville, Va. Hundreds of white nationalists, neo-Nazis and members of the "alt-right" clashed with anti-fascist protesters and police.

The defendants, 24 individuals and organizations, acknowledged espousing racist and antisemitic views but denied they had conspired.

Proving a conspiracy

The plaintiffs brought the case to trial under the federal Ku Klux Klan Act, a Reconstruction-era statute that allows individuals to sue when violent conspiracies deprive them of their constitutional rights. The law was enacted after Klan violence prevented newly freed slaves from exercising their rights as full citizens.

The plaintiffs had to prove not only that their injuries resulted from the Unite the Right rally but that the defendants had been involved in a conspiracy to commit racially motivated violence that caused those injuries.

In an effort to do so, they relied on a trove of evidence, including hundreds of text messages among the defendants and hundreds of thousands of leaked communications from Discord, a messaging platform that many of the organizers used leading up to the event.

Throughout the trial, the defendants remained unapologetic about their racist beliefs. Some used the courtroom as a stage to praise Nazi leader Adolf Hitler or mock the Holocaust. During closing arguments, a lawyer for the defense played a neo-Nazi recruitment video.

The defendants sought to disassociate themselves from the central planning of the event and argued that they never intended for the rally to get violent. In his instructions to jurors about the conspiracy claim, Moon said they must agree only that a preponderance of evidence showed "there was a mutual understanding, either spoken or unspoken, between the conspirators to commit at least one unlawful act."

Spencer expressed regret for the events and for Heyer's death. He and Cantwell tried to cast the trial as a referendum on First Amendment rights. Moon, who presided over trial over more than three weeks, cut off those arguments and admonished the defendants to stick to the facts of the case.

Lawyers for the plaintiffs produced evidence designed to show that the defendants conspired in planning the rally, knew it would descend into violence and celebrated when it did.

The attorneys showed videos of the defendants discussing how well the rally went. Other evidence included communications and social media posts from the defendants talking about what equipment they would bring to Charlottesville and signaling they might hurt anyone who showed up to oppose them.

"We are raising an army my liege, for free speech, but for the cracking of skulls if it comes to it,” read one of the text messages between co-defendants Kessler and Spencer.

Plaintiffs' attorney Michael Bloch noted a Facebook post in which Cantwell wrote: “if you think the alt-right is insignificant you might want to ask the bleeding commie filth we sent to the morgue and hospitals how insignificant we are.”

During cross-examination, Bloch asked Cantwell, "When you said the 'bleeding commie filth we sent to the morgue,' you meant Heather Heyer?"

"Yeah," Cantwell responded.

A legal tactic to shut down extremists

The lawsuit follows a successful, decades-long tradition of using civil courts to decimate white supremacist and hate groups. Spencer said before the trial that the case had been financially crippling.

In the 1980s and 90s, the Southern Poverty Law Center sued several chapters of the Klan on behalf of plaintiffs who had been intimidated or threatened. The lawsuits caused those chapters to file for bankruptcy or shut down.

The plaintiffs previously won default judgments against seven of the 24 defendants. The plaintiffs' lawyers moved to enter those judgments formally after Tuesday's split verdict was announced.

The court has issued five-figure fines against three other defendants for failing to produce evidence or show up for court hearings or depositions, court files show.

Best of luck collecting any money from those stupid ass racist broke hillbillies. The plaintiffs will be lucky to even collect a dollar of that judgement. People can't pay what they don't have and those stupid ass rednecks probably don't have a pot to piss in. But, I am pretty sure they didn't sue them expecting to receive any actual money anyway.

Edit: Charlottesville is when I officially said fuck this piece of shit. When Trump failed to state the obvious and condemn those racist motherfuckers, that's when it was obvious that all that guy cares about is getting votes from so many of his idiot racist followers regardless of what he has to say to keep them on their leashes.

Agreed. That's why $25M is such a big verdict.

But it's the thought that counts.

The same book of laws that protect Nazis can also be thrown right back at them when they do their Nazi shit. I think their woes have just begun.

Best of luck collecting any money from those stupid ass racist broke hillbillies. The plaintiffs will be lucky to even collect a dollar of that judgement. People can't pay what they don't have and those stupid ass rednecks probably don't have a pot to piss in. But, I am pretty sure they didn't sue them expecting to receive any actual money anyway.

Edit: Charlottesville is when I officially said fuck this piece of shit. When Trump failed to state the obvious and condemn those racist motherfuckers, that's when it was obvious that all that guy cares about is getting votes from so many of his idiot racist followers regardless of what he has to say to keep them on their leashes. Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

...Trump DID condemn them - in his next sentence - right
after "good people on both sides" --- The liberal
news media CUT IT OUT when they showed the clip.

Really, mate... YOU surely need to LOOK ABOUT
for your FACTS a bit better. I'm disappointed in you.

### Salty

Salty, I don't care what Trump subsequently said after his ignorant comment. He said what he said and whatever he said after the fact is a completely moot and irrelevant point in my opinion. Once you show your ass, it's too late to pull up your pants and act like people didn't see it just because you realized it was a bad idea to moon every nonracist with at least half a brain in this country.

That's what Trump did, and whether you agree or disagree with me matters not to me and shouldn't matter to you as well. Like I've said in a previous post about you, we share different ideologies and to me, that's nothing I hold against anyone.

And if it makes you feel any better about your disappointment in me, you are kind of going to have to get in line in this forum.

As you say...copy and paste. You fucking hypocrite.
Whatever happened to the Rittenhouse the "convict"...more of your worthless bullshit posts. Tell us about the POS Brooks the black supremacist and racist who killed innocent people minding their own business??
You and your obsession with white supremacy...another one of your 52k+ worthless posts!!
I know you don't read this because it hurts your feeling...FUCK YOUR LIBTARDS FEELINGS!!

...Trump DID condemn them - in his next sentence - right
after "good people on both sides" --- The liberal
news media CUT IT OUT when they showed the clip.

Really, mate... YOU surely need to LOOK ABOUT
for your FACTS a bit better. I'm disappointed in you.

### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

The truth doesn't make any difference to the libtards or those that don't chose to see the facts and swallow the narrative of the LSM AKA domocrapic operatives.

Salty, I don't care what Trump subsequently said after his ignorant comment. He said what he said and whatever he said after the fact is a completely moot and irrelevant point in my opinion. Once you show your ass, it's too late to pull up your pants and act like people didn't see it just because you realized it was a bad idea to moon every nonracist with at least half a brain in this country.

That's what Trump did, and whether you agree or disagree with me matters not to me and shouldn't matter to you as well. Like I've said in a previous post about you, we share different ideologies and to me, that's nothing I hold against anyone.

And if it makes you feel any better about your disappointment in me, you are kind of going to have to get in line in this forum. Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

... No, it DOES matter... There was NO "catch up"
with what Trump said - it was that there were
good people on both sides of the issue - which was
REMOVING the STATUES. And Trump said but not the KKK
and other hate groups... It was ALL right there.
One o' the tech-savey lads might show a clip.

Some of you lads really need to quit letting
the MS liberal news media lie and dupe you.

Just like they did with "Trump/Russia Collusion"...

#### Salty

... Sorry to piss up your thread, Yssup.
But truth and honesty DO matter to me.

### Salty

Salty, I don't care what Trump subsequently said .... Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

... CNN is perfect for you then. They even tell you what he says.

After they tell you what he was thinking. Like they do the guy for whom you voted.

Salty, I don't care what Trump subsequently said after his ignorant comment. He said what he said and whatever he said after the fact is a completely moot and irrelevant point in my opinion. Once you show your ass, it's too late to pull up your pants and act like people didn't see it just because you realized it was a bad idea to moon every nonracist with at least half a brain in this country. Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

Except he said nothing “subsequently” it was part of the same comment. In fact, were the comment to be properly transcribed, it’d be part of the same sentence. The media decided to edit it, giving it a completely new meaning, so people who are too stupid and/or lazy to actually listen and/or read it in it’s entirety would be hoodwinked into believing their lie. Obviously, it worked in your case.

For future reference: The ‘fine people on both sides’ he referred to are those who want to tear down statues, and those who do not.

Except he said nothing “subsequently” it was part of the same comment. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Please be mindful that Mucas McLain gets his news from the same liars who labeled Rittenhouse a "White Supremacist" for killing Black People in a BLM "peaceful protest" many of whom were strapped on with "military-style" rifles similar to his. Oh ... also he voted for Bitten/Kumola! Those are his "credentials"!

Please be mindful that Mucas McLain gets his news from the same liars who labeled Rittenhouse a "White Supremacist" for killing Black People in a BLM ! Originally Posted by LexusLover

LexusLiar, we are not supposed to call other posters names. You owe Lucas an apology for that Mucas bs.

Also Rittenhouse said in his Tucker interview that he supports BLM, so you and Rittenhouse have that in common, right?

...Trump DID condemn them - in his next sentence - right
after "good people on both sides" --- The liberal
news media CUT IT OUT when they showed the clip.

Really, mate... YOU surely need to LOOK ABOUT
for your FACTS a bit better. I'm disappointed in you.

### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

Here is exactly what he said.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Some rambling about taking down presidents that owned slaves

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."

Reporter: "Sir, I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don’t understand what you were saying."

Trump: "No, no. There were people in that rally -- and I looked the night before -- if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.

"But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest -- because, I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country -- a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country.

"Does anybody have a final --

Reporter: "What makes you think you can get an infrastructure bill? You didn’t get health care --

Trump: "Well, you know, I’ll tell you. We came very close with health care. Unfortunately, John McCain decided to vote against it at the last minute. You’ll have to ask John McCain why he did that. But we came very close to health care. We will end up getting health care. But we’ll get the infrastructure. And actually, infrastructure is something that I think we’ll have bipartisan support on. I actually think Democrats will go along with the infrastructure."

Reporter: "Mr. President, have you spoken to the family of the victim of the car attack?"

Trump: "No, I’ll be reaching out. I’ll be reaching out."



The issue with what people take from his statement is that he still said that neo-nasis were comprised of some very fine people. It’s clear what was being asked of him on multiple occasions by the reporter. There’s questions even before this portion about the neo-nazis that were there and he chose to try to redirect and change the subject of the question.

What he coulda said is “neo-nazis are bad. The folks carrying tiki torches are bad. Racists are bad. If you’re arching around saying Jews will never replace us you’re bad. And even though I believe you are as anti-American as they come, you have a right to assemble and protest. But when you promote violence, we will seek you out to arrest you and jail you. And those of you that contributed to the murder of the young lady, we will seek you out as well and bring you to justice.”

But he was incapable of bringing himself to say any of that. He needed to create a moral equivalence between the actions of the right and left. That’s why people attacked his words.


By the way, did he ever get around to that infrastructure bill. Or healthcare bill. Did he pass anything significant? Asking for a friend.

1b1/nm- you present a 'conversation' quoted - with no Reference - per your usual democraticommunist propaganda techniques.

you post under a fake handle - and are not to be trusted as to truth, FACTs ,and Reality
No more than any other DPST party propaganda poster.

yur post is all about Trump hate, Trump's the reason/excuse for all Fiden's issues - and TDS!




Moral equivalence - is nonsense from you - just more propaganda 'dog whistle' Bs.
You and teh democraticommunists enable and approve of teh Violence in Portland,Seattle, minneapolis, and across the nation - as means to destabilize America
While all up in arms about the Lies of Xinn regarding Rittenhouse and the three criminals who assaulted Kyle with intent to kill -( admitted under Oath).

The Rittenhouse trial was not about 'Racism' - all teh participants were White - yet all the DPST party race-baiters are screeching 'Racism' from their 'pulpits".

Just more fake news and Lies - of you and your Race-Obsessed LSM and communist party. !


Hypocrisy on full display


Buck fiden
From my cold dead hands