RUB & TUG vs GFE

I know this might seem like a crazy question, but ... I know some of my clients USED TO go to massage parlors only.
Then, they "graduated themselves" to visit a GFE provider.

They're different scenarios for this and I never want to pry into their business, but .... I'm curious, does a guy choose NOT too see GFE providers because of guilt, fear of getting attached or what exactly? ...

I'm just trying to understand the mindset of some hobbyist and satisfy my curiosity.
Fishing for responses? ...

At least for me, I occasionally enjoy the “Thrill of the Hunt”. Meaning, when a man goes into a place not knowing if they’ll be a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Some of the “massage therapists” are super hot, and you’d never guessed they rub and tug.

The other reason is when you’re in a rush and just need a rub and release. No appointment needed, since most all accept walk in’s.

This hobbyist combines the best of the rub and tug and GFE. I have taken some providers to a massage therapist and we both got massaged and then my date and I have a fuckfest while the massage therapist happily watches, assists or leaves. I like a good massage before and after the sexcapades. But that's just me.

From all the years I have been in the hobby, most rub and tug places are shitty on the rub and going through the motions on the tug. With the full service ladies, it is still go through the motions, but a little more on the BCD activities.

The ladies that do the rub and tug often have to put more efforts in by doing the rub and the FS ladies lay there with their legs spread.

Difference is, the donation price.

I would like to find a massage lady in my area that also does bbbj and tuma. I would like a happy beginning so I can relax during the massage. And of course a happy ending.

They're different scenarios for this and I never want to pry into their business, but .... I'm curious, does a guy choose NOT too see GFE providers because of guilt, fear of getting attached or what exactly? ... Originally Posted by Torre Tames

It's all about market entry. I started with massages on Craigslist and BP before moving onto providers. Because there are potential real world impacts, most guys don't just jump into the deep end of the pool. They test the shallow end with a massage and as they get used to the pool, they venture further out. I still see massage providers because one of my love languages is touch. I enjoy the massage part almost as much as the orgasm; having a naked nubile woman rubbing herself all over me is a pretty amazing feeling.

The ravages of old age have changed my perception and habits. Deep kissing gets me hard; just a fact. If a gorgeous lady walks in and just wants to fuck, doesn't work for me. I need the foreplay, the kissing, the DATY, all the good stuff. And the most controversial part is that condoms just don't work for me anymore. I love the feel of an actual wet pussy. Sigh! So some of the AMPS are probably my best bet to be satisfied, although there are some gems out there, and I'd love to find a mid-city provider that offers what I look for. She would have a steady customer.

Nowadays, many R&T gals do those extended undercarriage play that really make things pleasurable and enjoyable. Plus, R&T, you don't have to do anything, just lay back and relax but FS require physical activity. lol

I know this might seem like a crazy question, but ... I know some of my clients USED TO go to massage parlors only.
Then, they "graduated themselves" to visit a GFE provider.

They're different scenarios for this and I never want to pry into their business, but .... I'm curious, does a guy choose NOT too see GFE providers because of guilt, fear of getting attached or what exactly? ...

I'm just trying to understand the mindset of some hobbyist and satisfy my curiosity.
Fishing for responses? ... Originally Posted by Torre Tames

I read the keywords "USED TO" and "Then...graduated", which imply two exclusive preferences, with one being in the past and the other in the present and future.

What about those of us who regularly visit Truluck's, but enjoy a good street taco (pun), as well?

Sometimes the Fine Dining/GFE..keyword being; "Experience" is more than I'm in the mood for.

Or, as Almont Joy said: "Sometimes you (just) feel like a nut".

I've been fortunate to know a few providers who can switch gears between either modality.

PS: "Almond Joy" would make a good hobby handle.

OKAY, you guys are cracking me up with your reaction to this subject!
The information has been enlightening .... and entertaining!

....Or, as Almond Joy said: "Sometimes you (just) feel like a nut". Originally Posted by DownForWhatever

...and sometimes you don't, ALMOND JOY'S GOT NUTS....MOUNDS DON'T! ...

....R&T, you don't have to do anything, just lay back and relax but FS require physical activity. lol Originally Posted by london2012

For Real? Dude .... a little activity is good for the heart!

having a naked nubile woman rubbing herself all over me is a pretty amazing feeling. Originally Posted by texassapper

Nothing wrong with that!
The different variety of "massages" offer you dude's the encounter you're in the mood for. I get that.

The ladies that do the rub and tug often have to put more efforts in by doing the rub and the FS ladies lay there with their legs spread. Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

Not cool with THAT comment WEC.
But, you are usually very wise in your advise .... so I'll mull over this one.

One is more convenient than the other. Massage parlors/sub amps don’t require advanced planning or provider verification. Easier for guys that don’t know when their next window of opportunity might present itself. All in all it’s just easier to participate in that part of the hobby.

Now as far as preferring a fbsm/L1 session over a GFE session, I think that’s more a matter of taste. A fbsm session with a provider that has actual massage training (even better a massage license) is a special thing. It’s a 1-hour performance from someone trained in touch. All you have to do is lay there and enjoy the show. No direction required, no real thought required, just relaxing and arousing sensations for an hour with, if she’s good, a euphoric release.

That said, sometimes you just want to go further, experience more or direct the action and that’s where a GFE session is the only way to go.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned that might play a role for certain a democraphic is fear of disease. Risks are low if activities are covered, but not as low as a R&T.



I think another is convenince of not having to have an appointment.

One is more convenient than the other. Massage parlors/sub amps don’t require advanced planning or provider verification. Easier for guys that don’t know when their next window of opportunity might present itself. Originally Posted by Static

Ok...that makes sense.

A fbsm session with a provider that has actual massage training (even better a massage license) is a special thing. It’s a 1-hour performance from someone trained in touch. All you have to do is lay there and enjoy the show. No direction required, no real thought required, just relaxing and arousing sensations for an hour with, if she’s good, a euphoric release. Originally Posted by Static

Nope ... not completely jiggy with that.
I get the "touch" thing and the massage aspect .... but why do you guys keep sayin ... all you GFE's have to do is spread your legs and enjoy the show?
That is completely not true.
I know several massage ladies that I totally respect, but seriously ... they tend to avoid having intelligent conversation and/or displaying IOP (even if their life depended on it).

A good GFE knows how to intellectually stimulate as well as physically. We give much more of ourselves in a way that the rub and tug doesn't.
I'm not ditzing the R&T profession ....it's obvious that service is much needed as well.
Just realize .... GFE can mean a higher level of total experience and please give us credit for that.

....That said, sometimes you just want to go further, experience more or direct the action and that’s where a GFE session is the only way to go. Originally Posted by Static

Thanks Static ... fist bumb bro! ... ...

all has to do with the mood I am in. I have about the same thinking as the other old Jarhead that posted above. It all has it's place.

When the prices were more in line with my pocket I ventured out a LOT. NOT these days. Just no interest in being disappointed. The R&T area has to be nice, relaxing and worth while.

It is all a mind game. Whatever works is good. Nothing against either one. Love it all at certain times..

all has to do with the mood I am in. I have about the same thinking as the other old Jarhead that posted above. It all has it's place.

When the prices were more in line with my pocket I ventured out a LOT. NOT these days. Just no interest in being disappointed. The R&T area has to be nice, relaxing and worth while.

It is all a mind game. Whatever works is good. Nothing against either one. Love it all at certain times.. Originally Posted by shooter6.5

OK Shooter .... I ALWAYS respect your opinion. You've reached GURU status in my book.
Privileged you responded to my thread..:-)

I guess the "No interest in being disappointed" just instills the way of thinking .....it's good to establish your list of ATF's, whether it's a R&T or GFE. Yep.