Sen. Josh Hawley becomes public enemy No. 1 on Capitol Hill

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Let's see if he's as big a douchebag as our Ted Cruz. Time will tell, but it's looking like he's got a leg up on the Canadian.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...-hill-n1253470

Sen. Josh Hawley becomes public enemy No. 1 on Capitol Hill

By Allan Smith
8-10 minutes

WASHINGTON — One of his most important early backers now says supporting him "was the worst mistake I ever made in my life" and a top donor called for him to be censured by the Senate.


That's just some of the condemnation that's come Sen. Josh Hawley's way since the Missouri Republican became the first senator to announce he would object to the counting of Electoral College votes and then moved forward with his plan even after a pro-President Donald Trump mob had stormed the Capitol on Wednesday.


The largest newspapers in his home state called on him to resign. His publisher canceled its contract with him for an upcoming book. He's been pilloried by both Democrats and Republicans for leading the futile objection effort.


And a viral photo of Hawley entering the Capitol before the riot, showing the senator in a slim-fitting suit, hair perfectly coiffed and raising his fist toward the gathered crowd, has already become a lasting image of a day that won't soon be forgotten.


"It was like a Dukakis-on-the-tank moment," one Republican strategist told NBC News in reference to a famous attack ad on the 1988 Democratic presidential nominee, "in that he just looked phony and out of place and like a doofus."





At 41, Hawley is the youngest sitting senator and is thought of as a possible 2024 Republican presidential candidate. Since his election to the Senate in 2018, he's carved out a space for himself as the leading Republican critic of the tech giants — a policy area that had generated him a substantial following and coverage in the press. That's now been overshadowed by his objection effort.


Following the riot, Hawley condemned the violence at the Capitol and said he was simply objecting to the electors to give voice to his constituents in Missouri, a state that went to Trump by 15 points in 2020.


"I don't think blaming him for what happened...is the right person to point the finger at," a senior Republican aide told NBC News. "I think Trump was the one at the rally right before, firing everyone up. Trump is the one who's been doing all this for weeks, since the election. He's been getting everyone fired up, and I think the reason Sen. Hawley did what he did was pressure from his constituents."


Yet Hawley's counterpart, Sen. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., was not among the handful of Republicans to make any objections. Nor were others from states where Trump won resounding victories in November, like Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., who condemned the effort. Congress ultimately counted President-elect Joe Biden's electors, setting the stage for his inauguration later this month.


"I mean, did he have to do that?" the aide asked of Hawley. "That's up for debate."


Before any violence took place at the Capitol, Hawley was under fire from colleagues, whether it'd be the likes of Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., who told MSNBC last week she believed his effort "borders on sedition or treason" or Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah., who said the objections were simply an act to "enhance the political ambitions of some," alluding to possible 2024 presidential aspirations.


Speaking on the Senate floor after the riot, Hawley said violence will "not be tolerated" but an investigation into claims of voter fraud was necessary.


There has not been any evidence presented of widespread voter fraud that would affect elections in any of the swing states Trump lost, and the belief that there was such fraud has taken root among Republican voters with the president and others having promoted them.


Hawley specifically objected to Pennsylvania's electors because he believed a 2019 law expanding mail-in voting there violated the state constitution. Yet, as Sens. Bob Casey, D-Pa., and Pat Toomey, R-Pa., said in defending the state's election, such constitutional objections to the law — which was passed by a Republican-controlled legislature — only came about after Trump lost.


"We witnessed today the damage that can result when men in power and responsibility refuse to acknowledge the truth," Toomey said. "We saw bloodshed because a demagogue chose to spread falsehoods, and sew distrust of his own fellow Americans. Let's not abet such deception. Let's reject this motion."


Hawley "is talking about Pennsylvania because he wants to come here & run for President some day," Rep. Conor Lamb, D-Pa., tweeted. "The lies he told inspired today's violence. He is still telling those lies. Pennsylvania will never forget."


Rick Tyler, who was communications director for Sen. Ted Cruz's 2016 campaign (the Texas senator led his own objection to the electoral results), said the criticism coming Hawley's way is "well deserved."


"Members of Congress do have a right to challenge electors but doing so must be carefully weighed against substantial evidence of malfeasance," Tyler said. "In Sen. Hawley's case, no such evidence existed to suggest the electors were not legitimate. It is not good enough to say you are representing the voters who believe the election was rigged when that assertion was based on lies and conspiracies that were thoroughly disproven by election officials, recounts, court cases and absence of credible evidence."


"Sen. Hawley’s job was to represent the truth," he added. "Instead, he chose to go along with the president and others, namely Senator Cruz, to incite an insurrection."
Amid Hawley's objections, comments he made during the president's impeachment trial last year began to resurface. At the time, Hawley said impeachment amounted to "overturning a democratic election because you don't like the result, because you believe that that election was somehow corrupted, when, in fact, the evidence shows that it was not." He called it "crazy, frankly."


Hawley's ascension in GOP politics has been swift. He was elected to the Senate less than two years into his first term as Missouri attorney general, the first elected office he held. He was not someone who dominated headlines then, though he did draw attention for blaming human trafficking on the sexual revolution of the late 1960s.


The senator holds establishment credentials, having earned degrees from Stanford and Yale, where he attended law school, and having clerked for Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, which is where he met his future wife, Erin Morrow, herself a fellow Roberts clerk.
In the days since his formal objection, the outrage aimed at him has snowballed, though it remains to be seen how this will affect his standing with Republican voters.


"Supporting Josh and trying so hard to get him elected to the Senate was the worst mistake I ever made in my life," former Sen. John Danforth, R-Mo., and a mentor to the senator, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch on Thursday. "It is very dangerous to America to continue pushing this idea that government doesn't work and that voting was fraudulent."
Soon after that remark, Simon & Schuster, which was set to publish his upcoming book "The Tyranny of Big Tech," announced it was canceling its contract with Hawley, pointing to the "deadly insurrection."


Additionally, an increasing number of congressional Democrats have called for his immediate resignation while Biden said Hawley and Cruz were perpetuating "the big lie."
Hawley has hit back at critics, blasting what he deemed a "woke mob" at the book publisher and saying Biden's remarks were "undignified, immature and intemperate."


His office did not return a request for comment from NBC News on the blowback to his efforts. But in a statement to Missouri TV outlet KSDK, Hawley said he "will never apologize for giving voice to the millions of Missourians and Americans who have concerns about the integrity of our elections."


Zack Roday, a former senior House Republican aide and spokesman for former House Speaker Paul Ryan's campaign, said some show of contrition could be beneficial for Hawley.
"Admitting he chose the wrong or, at best, flawed course to voice his election concerns would be a sign of character, confidence and ultimately strength," Roday said.


Matt Mackowiak, a Republican strategist, told NBC News he thinks it's "a stretch to call a procedural objection as a senator to be 'incitement.'"
"But he should have ended his objection to the electors after what happened," he added. "He will likely be ineffective in the Senate now, at least for a while. It’s a shame because he's impressive and courageous. But who knows where things are headed right now?"
winn dixie's Avatar
He did what any Patriot should do!

I applaud his efforts!

Great guy!
Hawley has long to go before he catches the corrupt Texan Cruz. Cruz has been spewing lies as long as the liar in chief. Hawley was just another idiot that believed the lies with still no proof. People like him kept America stupid.

Biden/Harris are making America smart again
Both presidential political careers ended by Trump. Thanks
If Josh didn't step up to be the first idiot would someone else have been the first? I have to wonder if Trump secretly paid off a bunch of people to try to overthrow the votes.

It is all on trump at the end of the day. He put the false hope in people (if you can even call them Americans anymore) that on Jan 6 the House and Senate could change the EC Count. This is not true at all.

For Trump at this point it doesn't matter what he does to anyone. If he isn't president he is fucked. It is kind of like someone that just murdered a person, they are very dangerous until they get caught cause the penalty is basically the same for murdering 2 people.
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Senator Josh Hawley is the future majority leader of the senate, 0zombies
Senator Josh Hawley is the future majority leader of the senate, 0zombies Originally Posted by Redhot1960
lololololololol, majority dum dum. He does have Trump sphincter lips though. Maybe his lips have been somewhere they shouldn't be.
HedonistForever's Avatar
Hawley has long to go before he catches the corrupt Texan Cruz. Cruz has been spewing lies as long as the liar in chief. Hawley was just another idiot that believed the lies with still no proof. People like him kept America stupid.

Biden/Harris are making America smart again Originally Posted by Tsmokies

Actually, Hawley's argument is simple to understand and not based on fraud, but then you don't really know what Hawley's argument was, do you? It is a legal argument you are not equipped to understand since there are no emoji's in it.


Pulling Apart U.S. Sen. Josh Hawley's Argument About Pennsylvania's 2020 Election


The lawmaker who led the charge against certifying the results of Pennsylvania's 2020 presidential election in Congress on Tuesday recycled an argument that the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear last November.


The argument that U.S. Sen. Josh Hawley, Republican of Missouri, delivered early Wednesday in the recently-stormed Capitol building during the certification of the Electoral College revolved around the constitutionality of the state's mail-in voting. He did not challenge the state's actual election results, unlike President Donald Trump, who attacked without evidence the vote count for months
"You have a state Constitution that has been interpreted for over a century to say that there is no mail-in balloting permitted, except for a narrow circumstances that’s also provided in the law," Hawley said.
He argued, in essence, that Pennsylvania's Republican-controlled legislature did not have the right to pass a law in 2019 that allowed universal mail-in voting.
Instead, according to Hawley this week and the lawsuit denied by the U.S. Supreme Court last year, mail-in voting could only be allowed through a constitutional amendment.

Apparently the SC believed that such an argument was best left up to the State to decide.


https://www.tampabay.com/news/florid...law-politfact/

Fact-checking Josh Hawley’s claim about Pennsylvania’s election law | PolitFact

The Pennsylvania Constitution sets specific reasons that voters can vote absentee, such as illness. It does not explicitly forbid mail-in voting.

Sen. Josh Hawley of Missouri led the Senate charge against the electoral college certification of Joe Biden’s victory. Much of his argument was based on changes to mail-in voting in Pennsylvania.
Hawley said that he objected to Biden’s win because Pennsylvania failed to follow its own state election laws.


“You have a state constitution that has been interpreted for over a century to say that there is no mail-in balloting permitted, except for in very narrow circumstances that’s also provided for in the law,” Hawley said Jan. 6. “And, yet, last year, Pennsylvania elected officials passed a whole new law that allows universal mail-in balloting, and did it irregardless of what the Pennsylvania Constitution said.”
Hawley’s central argument is that a new state law about voting by mail — passed not “last year” but in the fall of 2019 — conflicts with the state’s constitution. The courts have not backed up his argument, and he omits the full story about the new law. The state constitution doesn’t have an explicit ban on mail-in voting, and the law permitting mail-in voting passed with strong Republican support.
Spokespersons for Hawley did not respond to our questions.


What the state constitution and Act 77 says about voting absentee or by mail

Hawley’s statement about interpretations “for over a century” limiting mail-in voting likely refers to limits starting in the 19th century about absentee voting for soldiers. A 1924 Pennsylvania state supreme court decision about civilians voting stated that a “ballot cannot be sent by mail or express.” After World War II, the state amended the constitution to allow certain limited instances of absentee voting.
Article VII Section 14 of the state constitution says the state Legislature should set laws governing absentee voting in specific instances.


“The Legislature shall, by general law, provide a manner in which, and the time and place at which, qualified electors who may, on the occurrence of any election, be absent from the municipality of their residence, because their duties, occupation or business require them to be elsewhere or who, on the occurrence of any election, are unable to attend at their proper polling places because of illness or physical disability or who will not attend a polling place because of the observance of a religious holiday or who cannot vote because of election day duties, in the case of a county employee, may vote, and for the return and canvass of their votes in the election district in which they respectively reside.”


Hawley’s argument is that this passage forbids a 2019 law that allowed mail-in balloting.
Pennsylvania’s senators disagreed.


Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., spoke during the debate of Biden’s electoral college votes, and said the constitution gives reasons while someone might need to vote remotely, but it didn’t forbid other reasons.
“There is no in-person requirement in our state constitution,” Casey said. “The constitution set a floor, not a ceiling, for this type of voting.”


So the argument seems to be that the law while stating the limits and reasons for mail in ballots and a pandemic or general health precautions were not listed, it did not expressly forbid general mail in balloting.


How Pennsylvania expanded by-mail voting

In October 2019, the Republican-led Pennsylvania General Assembly passed an election law, Act 77, that added no-excuse voting by mail, a provision pushed by Democrats. The act says that any qualified elector who is not eligible to be an absentee elector can get a mail-in ballot. Republicans got one of their priorities included too: elimination of straight-ticket voting. The bill drew supporters from both parties, but it had more support from Republicans.


“It was always touted as a bipartisan effort to get ready for 2020, pre-pandemic, bring Pennsylvania in line with Florida and Ohio and a bunch of states that had the no excuse system,” said Edward B. Foley, an Ohio State University constitutional law professor who specializes in elections.


Act 77 required constitutional challenges be brought within 180 days, but that didn’t happen. After Trump lost the Nov. 3 election, U.S. Rep. Mike Kelly, R-Pa., and co-plaintiffs filed a case against state officials arguing that the mail-in ballot provisions in Act 77 were a violation. Kelly asked the court to prohibit the certification of results that included mail-in ballots or direct the Pennsylvania General Assembly to choose electors.


One week later, the state Supreme Court dismissed the petition as untimely, writing that the plaintiffs filed their case more than a year after Act 77 was enacted and after millions of residents had already voted in the primary and general elections. The case was filed as the final ballots “were being tallied, with the results becoming seemingly apparent,” the court wrote. The court’s three-page order did not address whether Act 77 and the state constitution were in conflict.


“It is not our role to lend legitimacy to such transparent and untimely efforts to subvert the will of Pennsylvania voters,” Justice David Wecht, a Democrat, wrote.
Chief Justice Thomas Saylor, a Republican, wrote that throwing out votes at this point was extreme and untenable: “There has been too much good-faith reliance, by the electorate, on the no-excuse mail-in voting regime created by Act 77.”


After losing, Kelly took the case to the U.S. Supreme Court, where an emergency application for injunctive relief was denied by Justice Samuel Alito Dec. 8. Kelly is still seeking review by the U.S. Supreme Court.


Pat Toomey, Pennsylvania’s Republican senator, said many Pennsylvania lawmakers believe the law is constitutional.
“Clearly the state legislature and governor believe it is consistent with the state constitution,” Toomey said. “This law wasn’t challenged when it was passed, it wasn’t challenged when it was applied during the June primary election. It was only challenged after President Trump lost the general election.”


Election law experts weigh in

Election law experts said that even if Hawley were right about the law violating the state constitution, which is debatable, it still wouldn’t be the role of the U.S. Congress to fix it.
When Hawley defended his decision to challenge Pennsylvania’s electoral vote, University of Texas law professor Stephen Vladeck tweeted: “In other words, @HawleyMO’s main gripe is that the (Republican-led) Pennsylvania legislature violated the *Pennsylvania* Constitution when it expanded mail-in voting in 2019. 1. That’s not fraud. 2. That’s a question for the *Pennsylvania* Supreme Court to decide — and it passed.”


Vladeck told us in an email that it is factually correct that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has never ruled on whether Act 77 is consistent with the Pennsylvania Constitution — the court threw out the challenge as untimely.


But to suggest that it’s Congress’s role to intervene in the question of state constitutionality is wrong.
“Indeed, it would completely upend fundamental constitutional principles if Congress, rather than the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, were the last word on the meaning of the Pennsylvania Constitution, and yet that’s what Hawley’s arguing for here,” he said.


Our ruling

Hawley said, “Last year, Pennsylvania elected officials passed a whole new law that allows universal mail-in balloting, and did it irregardless of what the Pennsylvania Constitution said.”
To suggest that lawmakers passed a law that plainly violated the state constitution is wrong. The point Hawley raised is debatable, not clear cut.
Additionally, Pennsylvania lawmakers cared enough about constitutionality to give a window of time — 180 days — for people to challenge the law’s constitutionality. No one did until Trump lost the election there.


Finally, it’s important context to note that election experts said that what Hawley argued for — congressional intervention — was the wrong remedy for a question about the state constitution.
We rate this claim Mostly False.


Hawley may very well be wrong in his legal argument but it is important that at least we understand the argument which apparently few people did.
Even if Penn. and Arizona electors had been rejected, the only 2 states Hawley voted against, Biden would still win.

In hind-sight it was a futile effort but it was not based on "massive voter fraud" as some are painting it. It was based on a legal interpretation and limited to only a couple of states.
And to suggest that this effort led to an insurrection is in my opinion, preposterous.





Wasn’t that exact issue litigated in the PA state courts. Oh yeah it was. So the US Congress wasn’t the place to rearguard the issue. If he was legitimately concerned he could have tried to pass legislation long before the election. Or suit could have been brought in 2019. He wasn’t concerned enough then I suppose. What he did do was go along with this right wing sentiment that an election was stolen which wasn’t true. All of his actions were purely political. He just though he could become the successor to the Trumpys just like Cruz. He knew that his ploy was doomed to fail. Mitch was right in his speech and now Hawley and Cruz are reaping what they sow. Sadly they will be in Congress for several more years but they are terrible and I hope they are made inconsequential.
Actually, Hawley's argument is simple to understand and not based on fraud, but then you don't really know what Hawley's argument was, do you? It is a legal argument you are not equipped to understand since there are no emoji's in it.

Hawley may very well be wrong in his legal argument but it is important that at least we understand the argument which apparently few people did.
Even if Penn. and Arizona electors had been rejected, the only 2 states Hawley voted against, Biden would still win.

In hind-sight it was a futile effort but it was not based on "massive voter fraud" as some are painting it. It was based on a legal interpretation and limited to only a couple of states.
And to suggest that this effort led to an insurrection is in my opinion, preposterous.
Originally Posted by HedonistForever
Frankly, no one cares to listen to you split hairs.

Not even Hawley. He didn't decide to object to the certification of the votes because he was so consumed with clarifying Pennsylvania law.

He was cynically trying to inherit the mantle of the Trump cause and position himself for 2024. That should be evident by his raised fist salute as he walked into Congress to start the shitshow. What is he supposed to be? The leader of a revolution?

It blew up in his face. Serves him right. He will never live that photo down. As someone else wrote, it is "Dukakis on a tank photo".

This is what happens when you have some overly ambitious 40 year old, Ivy League graduate trying to grasp the power he thinks is rightly his.

He is no different than Bill Clinton, but Slick Willy managed to avoid any major faux pas like this. Quite the opposite, Clinton you may recall condemned Sistah Soulja when she made some asinine statement that black folks should stop killing each other and kill white folks instead. Clinton was willing to cut off part of the radical Dem left in order to appeal to the center.

Hawley tried to appeal to the radicals and his career is toast.
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Hedonist splits hairs all the time. Not sure why he bothers.

If Hawley was black, and raised that fist in a BLM ''rally'', he would be excoriated.

a white power fist is essentially what his was. A Redneck Goon power, more appropriately.
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Frankly, no one cares to listen to you split hairs. Originally Posted by Kinkster90210
Listen to this then. Semantics "is" the law! I like bullshitters too. Because I am one.

What is the definition of "is"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6poYzFWkFg










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Hedonist splits hairs all the time. Not sure why he bothers.

If Hawley was black, and raised that fist in a BLM ''rally'', he would be excoriated.

a white power fist is essentially what his was. A Redneck Goon power, more appropriately. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

I have to disagree Chungster. His fist of power was Nationalist. Not specifically white Nationalists. I know, I know. Splitting hairs. Hawley is a Constitutional Scholar. Not a racist. Just me though.
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I have to disagree Chungster. His fist of power was Nationalist. Not specifically white Nationalists. I know, I know. Splitting hairs. Hawley is a Constitutional Scholar. Not a racist. Just me though. Originally Posted by eccieuser9500
I didn't say it was racist, really. It was in support of conspiracy goons who are largely racist, but that doesn't make Hawley's gesture racist. Splitting more hairs.
Hawley is a Constitutional Scholar. Originally Posted by eccieuser9500
The relevant fact about Hawley is that he is a cynic.

There are LOTS of constitutional scholars. I don't recall seeing any other ones supporting what Hawley was doing. His idiotic objections had no chance of succeeding. Even if he won on PA or AZ, Biden still had enough electoral votes to win. So he was putting the nation through trauma for absolutely no good reason. Except his own career aspirations.