Some more liberal values...

Diane Feinstein has put forth a bill that would, if passed, outlaw the sale of over 150 weapons including handguns, shotguns, and so-called assault weapons. There are provisions to add more by a means that is not completely described. Feinstein being a liberal has included a provision where government officials like her can continue to purchase these dangerous weapons. More liberalism in action; go for you is not so good for me.

http://www.ibtimes.com/government-of...n-bill-1039506

Own your liberal politicians. They demand you march in lockstep with them.

Liberals also like the taxpayers to fork over for them to ride in Limos and private jets on their way to conferences on global warming.

Diane Feinstein has put forth a bill that would, if passed, outlaw the sale of over 150 weapons including handguns, shotguns, and so-called assault weapons. There are provisions to add more by a means that is not completely described. Feinstein being a liberal has included a provision where government officials like her can continue to purchase these dangerous weapons. More liberalism in action; go for you is not so good for me.

http://www.ibtimes.com/government-of...n-bill-1039506

Own your liberal politicians. They demand you march in lockstep with them. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

First off, your link includes nothing about a provision for "government officials like her".

The term “Government Official” is used but there is no definition for the term. The people mentioned are:

Assault weapons used by military, law enforcement, and retired law enforcement;

There is no mention of purchacing, only ownership. Do you read your own links? The headline, “Government Officials Can Still Own Assault Weapons Under Feinstein Bill” is stupid. Why? Because ownership isn’t being affected. Of course they can own them. If you weren’t a felon, you can own them too.

There are 157 specifically named weapons. The description of weapons to be added is very specific. Read your own link.

And because you are a douche-bag, you add some off the top of your head bullshit about liberals.

Your hateful bullshit might be better recieved if you factually cleaned up your act. And if pigs had wings, they'd be in a geico ad.

Let's sum up your post.

We'll give you credit for your "more than 150....". You're too fucking lazy to read the link.

What else did you get right?

Nothing as reported.
You don't know she is in the group of "government officials",
The provisions are pretty well described.
And the sale of grand fathered weapons is not outlawed

All and all, a typical jd post.

Liberals also like the taxpayers to fork over for them to ride in Limos and private jets on their way to conferences on global warming. Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

I bet you know lots of them.

If you were privvy to my private conversations you would be so much more informed. We asked the question what is a government official, local, state, or federal. Elected, appointed, or bureaucrat? So many questions and so few real answers. You seem confused about the Feinstein bill. Don't you think that may suggest that it is a bad bill? I don't see you interested in what is being proposed but only that you can attack people. YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM MUNCHIE!!!

If you were privvy to my private conversations you would be so much more informed. We asked the question what is a government official, local, state, or federal. Elected, appointed, or bureaucrat? So many questions and so few real answers. You seem confused about the Feinstein bill. Don't you think that may suggest that it is a bad bill? I don't see you interested in what is being proposed but only that you can attack people. YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM MUNCHIE!!! Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

How do you get up in front of a class with a straight face?
How would I be much more informed by your lack of information?
I'm not confused about the bill, I'm confused how you pull all this out of your ass.
The definition will be in the bill itself. That's hardly a key aspect of the legislation.
The criteria for being added to the list (weapons) was detailed and specific

Let’s go over this one more time if for nothing else but to point out how thick you are.

It doesn’t outlaw the sale of grand fathered weapons on the list. It “outlaws” new weapons on the list. It does not prevent the sale or possession of grand fathered weapons. That info is right there in the article.

The provisions to add more weapons to the list are described in detail. In the article.

You admit you don’t have information about the “government officials”, who or what they are.

You then proceed to accuse her of including a provision that exempts “government officials like her” so she can purchase “these dangerous weapons”.

In other words you lied to make a point, a point you failed to see was already embarrassingly clear and 180 degrees from your statement.

Anyone who can legally buy a gun now can buy one of these later. Just not a new one.

Everyone knows that new gun smell sucks. After they have been fired and cleaned is when they reach their full bouquet.

That all being said (and proven) the obvious problem is YOU and those who pass on false, incorrect, or just good old plain made up shit into legitimate discussion. We have to take the time to prove you are lying instead of you coming in good faith for honest discussion.

You are a known liar on this board and I fact check everything you write. It’s like I have said many times. The vast majority of your posts have a lie in them, in one form or another.

But no one needs to hear that from me. They all know.

You are a known liar on this board and I fact check everything you write. It’s like I have said many times. The vast majority of your posts have a lie in them, in one form or another.

But no one needs to hear that from me. They all know. Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Yes we do.
JD reminds me of Col Frank Fitts in American Beauty...


Ricky Fitts: Anything new in the world, Dad?
Colonel Frank Fitts: This country is going straight to hell!

Blah, blah, blah here is the list. Respond to that.
List of Firearms Prohibited by Name
Rifles: All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS; All AR types, including the following: AR–10, AR–15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15–T, Barrett REC7, Beretta AR–70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R–15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR–15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles; Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1; Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter; Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000; Feather Industries AT–9; Galil Model AR and Model ARM; Hi-Point Carbine; HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1 and HK USC; Kel-Tec Sub–2000, SU–16, and RFB; SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and Sig Sauer SG 551; Springfield Armory SAR–48; Steyr AUG; Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M–14/20CF; All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, Thompson T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1–C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C; UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78; Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.
Pistols: All AK–47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK–47 pistol, HCR AK–47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK–47 pistol, Yugo Krebs Krink pistol; All AR–15 types, including the following: American Spirit AR–15 pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR–15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Calico Liberty pistols; DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP–9 and MP–45; Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol; Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9; Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol; The following MAC types: MAC–10, MAC–11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11, Velocity Arms VMAC; Sig Sauer P556 pistol; Sites Spectre; All Thompson types, including the following: Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5; All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI.
Shotguns: Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12; All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01, IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika; Streetsweeper; Striker 12.
Belt-fed semiautomatic firearms: All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW M2HB.

Other provisions for "to be named" firearms:
The legislation bans the sale, transfer, manufacturing and importation of:
All semiautomatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: pistol grip; forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or threaded barrel.
All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: threaded barrel; second pistol grip; barrel shroud; capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.
All semiautomatic rifles and handguns that have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
All semiautomatic shotguns that have a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; pistol grip; fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds; ability to accept a detachable magazine; forward grip; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; or shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
All ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips, and drums) capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
157 specifically-named firearms (listed at the end of this document).
The legislation excludes the following weapons from the bill:
Any weapon that is lawfully possessed at the date of the bill’s enactment;
Any firearm manually operated by a bolt, pump, lever or slide action;
Assault weapons used by military, law enforcement, and retired law enforcement; and
Antique weapons.
The legislation protects hunting and sporting firearms:
The bill excludes 2,258 legitimate hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns by specific make and model.
The legislation strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and state bans by:
Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test.
(The bill also makes the ban harder to evade by eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test.)
Banning dangerous after-market modifications and work-arounds.
Bump or slide fire stocks, which are modified stocks that enable semi-automatic weapons to fire at rates similar to fully automatic machine guns.
So-called “bullet buttons” that allow the rapid replacement of ammunition magazines, frequently used as a work-around to prohibitions on detachable magazines.
Thumbhole stocks, a type of stock that was created as a work-around to avoid prohibitions on pistol grips.
Adding a ban on the importation of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines.
Eliminating the 10-year sunset that allowed the original federal ban to expire.
The legislation addresses the millions of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines currently in existence by:
Requiring a background check on all sales or transfers of a grandfathered assault weapon.
(This background check can be run through the FBI or, if a state chooses, initiated with a state agency, as with the existing background check system.)
Prohibiting the sale or transfer of large-capacity ammunition feeding devices lawfully possessed on the date of enactment of the bill.
Allowing states and localities to use federal Byrne JAG grant funds to conduct a voluntary buy-back program for grandfathered assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices.
Imposing a safe storage requirement for grandfathered firearms, to keep them away from prohibited persons.
Requiring that assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices manufactured after the date of the bill’s enactment be engraved with the serial number and date of manufacture of the weapon

Blah, blah, blah here is the list. Respond to that.
List of Firearms Prohibited by Name
Rifles: All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS; All AR types, including the following: AR–10, AR–15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15–T, Barrett REC7, Beretta AR–70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R–15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR–15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles; Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1; Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter; Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000; Feather Industries AT–9; Galil Model AR and Model ARM; Hi-Point Carbine; HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1 and HK USC; Kel-Tec Sub–2000, SU–16, and RFB; SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and Sig Sauer SG 551; Springfield Armory SAR–48; Steyr AUG; Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M–14/20CF; All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, Thompson T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1–C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C; UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78; Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.
Pistols: All AK–47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK–47 pistol, HCR AK–47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK–47 pistol, Yugo Krebs Krink pistol; All AR–15 types, including the following: American Spirit AR–15 pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR–15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Calico Liberty pistols; DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP–9 and MP–45; Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol; Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9; Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol; The following MAC types: MAC–10, MAC–11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11, Velocity Arms VMAC; Sig Sauer P556 pistol; Sites Spectre; All Thompson types, including the following: Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5; All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI.
Shotguns: Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12; All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01, IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika; Streetsweeper; Striker 12.
Belt-fed semiautomatic firearms: All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW M2HB.

Other provisions for "to be named" firearms:
The legislation bans the sale, transfer, manufacturing and importation of:
All semiautomatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: pistol grip; forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or threaded barrel.
All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: threaded barrel; second pistol grip; barrel shroud; capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.
All semiautomatic rifles and handguns that have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
All semiautomatic shotguns that have a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; pistol grip; fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds; ability to accept a detachable magazine; forward grip; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; or shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
All ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips, and drums) capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
157 specifically-named firearms (listed at the end of this document).
The legislation excludes the following weapons from the bill:
Any weapon that is lawfully possessed at the date of the bill’s enactment;
Any firearm manually operated by a bolt, pump, lever or slide action;
Assault weapons used by military, law enforcement, and retired law enforcement; and
Antique weapons.
The legislation protects hunting and sporting firearms:
The bill excludes 2,258 legitimate hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns by specific make and model.
The legislation strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and state bans by:
Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test.
(The bill also makes the ban harder to evade by eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test.)
Banning dangerous after-market modifications and work-arounds.
Bump or slide fire stocks, which are modified stocks that enable semi-automatic weapons to fire at rates similar to fully automatic machine guns.
So-called “bullet buttons” that allow the rapid replacement of ammunition magazines, frequently used as a work-around to prohibitions on detachable magazines.
Thumbhole stocks, a type of stock that was created as a work-around to avoid prohibitions on pistol grips.
Adding a ban on the importation of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines.
Eliminating the 10-year sunset that allowed the original federal ban to expire.
The legislation addresses the millions of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines currently in existence by:
Requiring a background check on all sales or transfers of a grandfathered assault weapon.
(This background check can be run through the FBI or, if a state chooses, initiated with a state agency, as with the existing background check system.)
Prohibiting the sale or transfer of large-capacity ammunition feeding devices lawfully possessed on the date of enactment of the bill.
Allowing states and localities to use federal Byrne JAG grant funds to conduct a voluntary buy-back program for grandfathered assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices.
Imposing a safe storage requirement for grandfathered firearms, to keep them away from prohibited persons.
Requiring that assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices manufactured after the date of the bill’s enactment be engraved with the serial number and date of manufacture of the weapon Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

So your response to me pointing out that you lie on a regular basis is "blah, blah, blah"?
If figures.

Stop and think about what it's like to listen/read the shit that comes out of you.

Oh if you only knew.

You are the only dog running for top liar. When people see your name in the running they concede or quit like sarah palin.

(Side note: Anybody who ever thought they were going to get some of that sarah ass or that it would be any good, Jim Belushi's memorable line from the movie, "Real Men" as he is secured in a leather harness while being whipped and spun in a gyroscopic devise describes the sarah experience. He cries out, "When is it going to be my turn?" The reply "This IS your turn!" says it all.

Well jd, this IS your turn. So blah, blah, blah, all the way home.

So your response to me pointing out that you lie on a regular basis is "blah, blah, blah"?
If figures.



You are the only dog running for top liar. When people see your name in the running they concede or quit like sarah palin.

. Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

JD...living the lie as Col Frank Fitts!

Yes we do.
JD reminds me of Col Frank Fitts in American Beauty...


Ricky Fitts: Anything new in the world, Dad?
Colonel Frank Fitts: This country is going straight to hell! Originally Posted by WTF

Logic! Yes, that little bugaboo. If this bill passes (and it won't) then it will be illegal to sell NEW weapons of that type but since every transaction will require government approval how long before that approval stops coming? You know it will happen. That is the difference between a right and a privilege. A right doesn't take permission. Then they can offer to buy back your weapon (which you can't sell) for a pittance of what it's worth. If you sell it anyway then you have committed a felony and you lose the right to own a gun completely. Want to try to argue that? Logic!

Diane Feinstein has put forth a bill that would, if passed, outlaw the sale of over 150 weapons including handguns, shotguns, and so-called assault weapons. There are provisions to add more by a means that is not completely described. Feinstein being a liberal has included a provision where government officials like her can continue to purchase these dangerous weapons. More liberalism in action; go for you is not so good for me.

http://www.ibtimes.com/government-of...n-bill-1039506

Own your liberal politicians. They demand you march in lockstep with them. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

I would post some conservative values as rebuttal,but they don;t have any.

Make sure you contact your Senators and your re4presentativbe as well as as many as you can that are not and express your willingness to support those that kill this bill and that you will support those running against those that do.

Gun control laws do absolutely nothing to stop criminal activity and it has been proven over and over again.

Gun control laws do absolutely nothing to stop criminal activity and it has been proven over and over again. Originally Posted by The2Dogs

i don't think anyone would dispute that

God, guns, and country. The left can't touch that. It would burn them. So much more but it repudiates anything Eva has to say.