New NBC/WSJ poll shows GOP going down in FLAMES over shutdown tantrum!

Unlike others on here who post crazy headlines unsupported by undocumented opinion stories, I thought I'd take this opportunity to present you with a reality break.

We've known that Congress's popularity has dropped to historic lows, while the president's has remained steady. We've seen polls from all sides -- even GOP whores Rasmussen -- showing that the GOP is taking the blame for the shutdown, etc.

Here's another one:

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...mages-gop?lite


By Mark Murray, Senior Political Editor, NBC News

The Republican Party has been badly damaged in the ongoing government shutdown and debt limit standoff, with a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finding that a majority of Americans blame the GOP for the shutdown, and with the party’s popularity declining to its lowest level.

By a 22-point margin (53 percent to 31 percent), the public blames the Republican Party more for the shutdown than President Barack Obama – a wider margin of blame for the GOP than the party received during the poll during the last shutdown in 1995-96.

J. Scott Applewhite / AP
House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio departs the Capitol in Washington, Thursday, Oct. 10, 2013, en route to the White House to a meeting with President Barack Obama.

Just 24 percent of respondents have a favorable opinion about the GOP, and only 21 percent have a favorable view of the Tea Party, which are both at all-time lows in the history of poll.


http://http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/M...s/Oct_poll.pdfRead the full poll here (.pdf)

And one year until next fall’s midterm elections, American voters prefer a Democratic-controlled Congress to a Republican-controlled one by eight percentage points (47 percent to 39 percent), up from the Democrats’ three-point advantage last month (46 percent to 43 percent).

What’s more, Obama’s political standing has remained relatively stable since the shutdown, with his approval rating ticking up two points since last month, and with the Democratic Party’s favorability rating declining just three points (from 42 percent to 39 percent).

“If it were not so bad for the country, the results could almost make a Democrat smile,” says Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted the survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff.“These numbers lead to one inescapable conclusion: The Republicans are not tone deaf; they are stone deaf.”

A ‘boomerang’ effect for the GOP

Yet what is perhaps even more worrisome for the GOP is the “boomerang” effect: As the party has used the shutdown and fiscal fight to campaign against the nation’s health-care law and for limited government, the poll shows those efforts have backfired.

For one thing, the health-care law has become more popular since the shutdown began. Thirty-eight percent see the Affordable Care Act (or “Obamacare”) as a good idea, versus 43 percent who see it as a bad idea – up from 31 percent good idea, 44 percent bad idea last month.

In addition, 50 percent say they oppose totally eliminating funding for the law, even if it that means a partial shutdown of the government. That’s up from 46 percent who said they opposed that move in a Sept. 2013 CNBC poll.

And by a 52-percent-to-44 percent difference, respondents believe the government should do more to solve problems. Back in June, the public was split, 48 percent to 48 percent, on whether the government should do more or less.

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“That is an ideological boomerang,” says McInturff, the GOP pollster. “As the debate has been going on, if there is a break, there is a break against the Republican position.”

Obama’s approval rating ticks up to 47 percent

While the shutdown has wounded the Republican Party, Obama’s overall political standing remains stable in the poll.

Forty-seven percent of Americans approve of his job performance, which is actually up two points from last month (though that’s within the survey’s margin of error).

That’s compared with just 24 percent who approve of congressional Republicans, and 36 percent who approve of congressional Democrats.


Read the full poll here (.pdf)

Obama – with a 47 percent favorable, 41 percent unfavorable rating – also is the most popular political figure or institution in the poll, surpassing the Democratic Party (39 percent favorable/40 percent unfavorable); Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas (14 percent favorable/28 percent unfavorable); Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (18 percent favorable/32 percent unfavorable); and House Speaker John Boehner (17 percent favorable/42 percent unfavorable).

At the bottom of the list are the Tea Party (21 percent favorable/47 percent unfavorable) and the Republican Party (24 percent favorable/53 percent unfavorable) – their lowest favorable numbers in the history of the poll.

And 46 percent of respondents say the president, during this budget standoff, has been a strong leader and is standing up for what he believes in, versus 51 percent who believe he’s putting his own political agenda ahead of what’s good for the country.

By comparison, a whopping 70 percent say congressional Republicans are putting politics first.

“Obama comes into the fight in as good of shape as he entered it,” says Hart, the Democratic pollster.

But there is one silver lining for Republicans: By a 43-percent-to-40 percent margin, the public disagrees with Obama’s position that he will not negotiate with the Republicans until they reopen government and raise the debt ceiling.

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Economic confidence drops like a rock

Beyond the politics, the poll finds that the government shutdown and the debate over raising the debt ceiling have made Americans more pessimistic about the country’s direction and economy.

Just 14 percent believe the nation is headed in the right direction – a 16-point drop from last month. In fact, the last time it reached this level in the NBC/WSJ poll was during the 2008 financial crisis.

In addition, only 17 percent think the U.S. economy will improve in the next 12
months, which is down 10 points from September.

And 63 percent say the budget negotiations between Obama and congressional Republicans have made them less confident about the economy.
“All you can say is – what a waste,” Hart says about the government shutdown and fiscal standoff.

The NBC/WSJ poll was conducted Oct. 7-9 of 800 adults (including 240 cell phone-only respondents), and it has an overall margin of error of plus-minus 3.5 percentage points.
This story was originally published on Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:31 PM EDT

Read the full poll here (.pdf)

Obama – with a 47 percent favorable, 41 percent unfavorable rating – also is the most popular political figure or institution in the poll, surpassing the Democratic Party (39 percent favorable/40 percent unfavorable); Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas (14 percent favorable/28 percent unfavorable); Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (18 percent favorable/32 percent unfavorable); and House Speaker John Boehner (17 percent favorable/42 percent unfavorable).

At the bottom of the list are the Tea Party (21 percent favorable/47 percent unfavorable) and the Republican Party (24 percent favorable/53 percent unfavorable) – their lowest favorable numbers in the history of the poll.
Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Whirly will read that as winning....I think he was Charlie Sheen's PR man too.

Even the Wingnuts pollsters confirm this trend... If Girlyturd wants to deny them all, then he's just a Teazombie!

Yes, do read the full poll including the mechanics. More democrats than republicans were polled. The number of government workers polled was double the number that exist. These poll is an outlier (look it up). See the end QF3, 4, and 5. To put it mildly, this poll is next to worthless unless you're just trying to fool people like FuckZup and WTF. Mission accomplished.

I really don't care what the far right or tea partiers want to believe anymore. They have already lost an election because they refuse to get out of their "echo chamber" bubble. That's just fine with me. Those that stay in the dark, and are uniformed are likely to have this happen again. I am a Democrat so that just means the person I vote for in the next elections are more likely to win! LOL

Let them believe their nonsense. It is to the Democrats advantage..haha

Yes, do read the full poll including the mechanics. More democrats than republicans were polled. The number of government workers polled was double the number that exist. These poll is an outlier (look it up). See the end QF3, 4, and 5. To put it mildly, this poll is next to worthless unless you're just trying to fool people like FuckZup and WTF. Mission accomplished. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Of course you do not believe polls, you did not believe the only poll that matters 2012 election results!

poor JD ... total idiot

Okool-aid is wet...so what.

Speaking as one of the many Federal Employees effected by both the Sequester and now the Federal Government shutdown I will say the following. As far as I am concerned pretty much every member of Congress and the President have forgotten that it is their duty as the Elected Officials to effectively govern the Country. As of right now the Agency I work for has received exactly zero dollars of our fiscal 2014 Year (which started October 1st) budget money. We are currently running on the fumes of our remaining "Cash Reserves". Which is expected to run out around the first of the Year. So they had better get their act together soon or the 250,000 we currently serve will be in real trouble.

Doesn't really matter what the polls show now. People tend to forget the past and seem to vote on current events.

Of course you do not believe polls, you did not believe the only poll that matters 2012 election results!

Originally Posted by WTF

You mean the election that gave us another majority in the House. That election?

I know you have limited capabilites but I am serious about the outlier business and manipulated results. Show me the second poll that matches this poll. If it is realistic then that should be no problem. Otherwise, blow it out your ass. Mother Jones doesn't count as they just poll their staffers.

I will also point out that ofter the shutdown in 1995 the GOP gained two seats in the Senate in 1996 and took control. If the GOP takes control in 2014 then we can put Obama away.

Yes, do read the full poll including the mechanics. More democrats than republicans were polled. The number of government workers polled was double the number that exist. These poll is an outlier (look it up). See the end QF3, 4, and 5. To put it mildly, this poll is next to worthless unless you're just trying to fool people like FuckZup and WTF. Mission accomplished. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

what are mechanics? You mean crosstabs? Uhhhh.... Yeah, man, this means the GOP will take control in 2014. Just what every poll is suggesting!

Obviously you don't know jack shit about polling. You prove it every time you try to interpret any kind of research.

How do you explain the results of the Rasmussen polls that show essentially the same thing?

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If a plot against the Emperor fails, you are usually given the choice of firing squad, or suicide. Originally Posted by Jackie S

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