demand for GFE vs non-GFE

Is the demand for GFE providers much greater than non-GFE providers ? I'm asking because there seem to be alot of providers who offer GFE services, but don't enjoy those services. If someone does not enjoy creating the impression of intamacy, why not just offer non-GFE services ? I understand trying to increase your market base, but not necessarily at the cost of doing stuff you don't wanna do. For instance there is a market for greek, or fetish play that many choose not to cross and do just fine.

I know its an odd, maybe stupid topic, but I can't say I've seen it discussed before.

GFE is one of those things that doesn't really have a good and clear definition. It is defined differently by so many people it is almost meaningless. Like "exotic" it is used for marketing by a lot of people that don't know or don't care what they are supposedly promising.

GFE is one of those things that doesn't really have a good and clear definition. It is defined differently by so many people it is almost meaningless. Like "exotic" it is used for marketing by a lot of people that don't know or don't care what they are supposedly promising. Originally Posted by SillyGirl

I completely agree! Especially with the "exotic" LOL

I meant GFE as observed by many these days. LFK, DFK, BBBJ, and a more intimate atmosphere than others. I didn't want to define GFE because the providers are offering services, but then complaining that people are expecting too much by expecting a little effort in creating the illusion of intimacy

Is the demand for GFE providers much greater than non-GFE providers ? I'm asking because there seem to be alot of providers who offer GFE services, but don't enjoy those services. If someone does not enjoy creating the impression of intamacy, why not just offer non-GFE services ? I understand trying to increase your market base, but not necessarily at the cost of doing stuff you don't wanna do. For instance there is a market for greek, or fetish play that many choose not to cross and do just fine.

I know its an odd, maybe stupid topic, but I can't say I've seen it discussed before. Originally Posted by CarolinaGent

Most of the girls that market themselves as Non-GFE never last in the competitive market of South Florida. Most guys like girls that have a full menu..not girls that say..I don't do this.. I don't do that.. don't touch me in that area.. It makes you feel like just saving your hard earned money on girl that will offer a GFE Menu.

Girls that don't want to offer GFE should just be body rub or nuru girls... Just my 2 cents.

GFE is an arbitrary term, and usually the ones who are non-GFE (not always) are very young providers or just starting out. In can be frustrating at times when they say they are GFE and do not provide LFK, DFK, BBBJ, etc.

Personally, I don't care too much for intimacy, just chemistry, so GFE/non-GFE is fine by me!

there seem to be alot of providers who offer GFE services, but don't enjoy those services. If someone does not enjoy creating the impression of intamacy, why not just offer non-GFE services ? Originally Posted by CarolinaGent

I meant GFE as observed by many these days. LFK, DFK, BBBJ, and a more intimate atmosphere than others. I didn't want to define GFE because the providers are offering services, but then complaining that people are expecting too much by expecting a little effort in creating the illusion of intimacy Originally Posted by CarolinaGent

I'm not sure I'm reading you correctly. Are you saying that these providers do offer all of the traditional menu options associated with "GFE," lacking only the "illusion/impression of intimacy"? If so, is your conclusion that there is no illusion of intimacy based solely on a perception that they "don't enjoy those services" or are there other factors? And if this is the perception that they "don't enjoy those services," what types of things are they doing that make you think they don't enjoy those activities (or what types of things are they not doing that you would expect)?

I've read numerous comments by the ladies over the years that some clients adamantly refuse to believe that the lady is enjoying herself, even when she is. Some of that may be based on a mental paradigm that an escort can't possibly enjoy herself with the typical P4P client; some of that may be due to difficulty in accurately "reading" a lady's emotions; some of that may be a matter of miscommunication, with the ladies not understanding what types of behavior clients associate with her enjoying herself.

Sometimes it's easier to understand, or offer a constructive response to, an question that includes specific details in addition to the general, abstract terms. There are a lot of details floating around our brains when we make comments like this that not everyone may realize/share. *shrug*

I am saying that they do offer all the traditional options, including intimacy, but then turn around and complain about having to do it. These are their words as posted on boards, not from personal observation. My main question was is it market pressure that is dictating them offering services that make them uncomfortable ? Do they feel they will not do near as well if they don't offer these services ? Is it that GFE attracts a different clientele ?

I offer GFE and let me tell you, these men start to THINK I'm their real girlfriend!!! I don't have a full menu either, but it's a feeling I give my clients. I make them feel special. It's hypnotic and addicting. When they go home to their wives they miss me, and then this creates a clingyness factor. I'm learning how to deal with this issue better, thanks to Eccie and chatting with the broader Eccie community. So offering GFE does have the potential to create problems. It has for me anyways. But it's what I prefer. I could never just do PSE. I also don't fault the men anymore for getting clingy with me. I understand now that I'm responsible for 50% of everything. The clingyness was so bad I had a rule: if you ask me to date you or for any OTC time, I would have to put you on my ignore list. I let all the men know this prior to meeting. Then over time, I became very lax with that rule. Men continued to ask me out, and I took it with a grain of salt. I continued to see them as clients. But after a recent issue I had (even while taking a break I still can't release myself from clingy clients) I will be going back to basics, and following the do-not-ask-for OTC-time Rule and instilling it completely. Just my experience here. Just my experience, not everyones.

I guess my definition of GFE is more so a lady that will engage in conversation, LFK, DFK, cuddling, and not going into a rush of mish, cg, rcg, greek, bbbj,hj, etc. As stated, that is my personal definition and I know many others will have different views on what constitutes a GFE experience. That is also the reason I do not want a 1/2 hour or 1 hour session because it does not give me time to get to know the lady and share some of the intimacies I enjoy prior to really getting into the chase.

The sexual part of it is most enjoyable, but I do love to be able to kiss a lady, caress a lady, talk to a lady and engage in more than sex. All of the items I list for GFE set the stage in my opinion for a better bcd experience. I guess at my level of maturity, sex is icing on the cake and the prepartion for icing the cake is what makes all of it enjoyable. If they are not GFE, I have no problem with that, but that is the reason I check ladies offerings carefully before I will engage in any communication with them or request for a rendevous.

No GFE, no Top!

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I would think if GFE is something they do not enjoy, they should not offer it. I would not want to be with a lady that fakes it and doesn't enjoy it. I think that was your original question.

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I would think if GFE is something they do not enjoy, they should not offer it. I would not want to be with a lady that fakes it and doesn't enjoy it. I think that was your original question.

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This is such a broad topic. I enjoy what I do depending on the client. Some haven't showered all day and you can taste it on their salty skin. Thats gross. People are individual. If your clean, and nice, and open and warm, I will like you. If your a freaking weirdo, then you make my job harder. And that aint fun

I am saying that they do offer all the traditional options, including intimacy, but then turn around and complain about having to do it. These are their words as posted on boards, not from personal observation. My main question was is it market pressure that is dictating them offering services that make them uncomfortable ? Do they feel they will not do near as well if they don't offer these services ? Is it that GFE attracts a different clientele ? Originally Posted by CarolinaGent

If they're complaining about doing it,** and it makes them uncomfortable, I would certainly assume that they do it anyway for the same reason that most of us do things as part of our job that we don't enjoy: we perceive (wrongly or rightly) that we won't do as well professionally if we don't. In their case, they're probably right; in most P4P market niches, there are a lot of P4P clients who have a strong preference for GFE. If the ladies offer those services they don't really enjoy, but the client doesn't realize they don't enjoy them, they can probably do better than if they just didn't offer the services at all.

The surprising thing to me is not that they offer something they don't completely enjoy. Hell, I do that in my job too. It's that they complain about it publicly. That kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it? They'll lose some portion of that "GFE-preferring market." At least, depending on what specifically they don't enjoy. Some clients would be less concerned about seeing a lady who didn't really enjoy a BBBJ, as opposed to CBJ, but was perfectly willing to offer it -- as opposed to a lady who didn't enjoy cuddling, pillow talk, kissing, etc.

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** There's a difference, of course, between complaining about having to do it as opposed to complaining -- as incognitio isis, and many others, have -- about how some (hopefully relatively few) clients over-react to or take advantage of the ladies' doing it.

GFE is a marketing term or gimmick.

Think Dodge, and Hemi.

Think new, improved, better.

Without that "GFE" gimmick, a gal will fall by the side and other, GFE ladies will be chosen.

Now, do we understand what GFE means? Heck no, everyone has a different idea.

I have been with a certain, banned provider in the Dallas market who many call GFE. She was not close to that for me and a lot of other guys have vocally complained about her lack of GFE qualities. (oh, and she was not banned for misleading us on GFE, totally different reasons.)

GFE has been over used, UNDER-understood, and wasted. When I read a review, an ad, etc., I ignore the letters GFE and PSE totally, They have no meaning.

I offer GFE and let me tell you, these men start to THINK I'm their real girlfriend!!! I don't have a full menu either, but it's a feeling I give my clients. I make them feel special. It's hypnotic and addicting. When they go home to their wives they miss me, and then this creates a clingyness factor. I'm learning how to deal with this issue better, thanks to Eccie and chatting with the broader Eccie community. So offering GFE does have the potential to create problems. It has for me anyways. But it's what I prefer. I could never just do PSE. I also don't fault the men anymore for getting clingy with me. I understand now that I'm responsible for 50% of everything. The clingyness was so bad I had a rule: if you ask me to date you or for any OTC time, I would have to put you on my ignore list. I let all the men know this prior to meeting. Then over time, I became very lax with that rule. Men continued to ask me out, and I took it with a grain of salt. I continued to see them as clients. But after a recent issue I had (even while taking a break I still can't release myself from clingy clients) I will be going back to basics, and following the do-not-ask-for OTC-time Rule and instilling it completely. Just my experience here. Just my experience, not everyones. Originally Posted by incognito isis

OTC time is a whole different can of worms. Being clear up front and not giving the impression that it is possible would probably be the best policy. Once that door opens, things can get tricky.