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I'm trying to get eccie certified, or p411 certified. Wanting to get into the independent girls but it's hard since they don't take guys with no references. What's the way to do it?

Do "in search of" post for girls who are friendly to newbies

wrong forum- ask in ISO

Moved to coed for discussion..

See Little Miss Melissa
or
Queen Sophie.

Together they have broken in a large number of newbies and use alternate methods and can get you the okays you seek.

Or better yet, do a Search there are several threads on it or downloading porn.

See a lady with a good reputation too. I know one of the ladies mentioned above is not trusted as a reference by a lot of the ladies for various reason.

... or p411 certified. Originally Posted by KingDATY

You can join P411 without any provider references.

(I see hobbyists with Basic P411 membership, which means 0 references).

You can join P411 without any provider references.

(I see hobbyists with Basic P411 membership, which means 0 references). Originally Posted by HoneyRose

Yup, this is true.

Nina bend over. I want to talk to you.

Nina bend over. I want to talk to you. Originally Posted by Bestman200600

hahaha!

Nina bend over. I want to talk to you. Originally Posted by Bestman200600

I'm sayin, right! Damn!

See a lady with a good reputation too. I know one of the ladies mentioned above is not trusted as a reference by a lot of the ladies for various reason. Originally Posted by NYr

NYr, Do you really think that post was appropriate. Even with "the mod hat off", you are still a moderator and without naming which one, you cast a shadow of aspersion on both.

I believe you meant Miss Melissa who has been in the hobby longer than you have. Does she meet the "mega screening standards" for screening at all times? no. That is what makes her a good starter hooher. If she does tell another lady that the dick is safe and the money is good, then it is a valid reference.

As far as I know, she has never outed anyone nor has she flipped and played informant when arrested in the past. In short, her discretion level is greater than the level you have displayed over the years.

If you have another suggestion for a newbie friendly provider to help a guy get started, then name them but there is no need to disparage a gal in the coed forum unnecessarily.