Scams, ripoffs and alerts...

The resent ripoff alert/report/review has got me thinking...

One of the main rules of the hobby is to never ever give money up front, you are just asking for a headache, but sometimes the heart and little head want to beat as one.
How many times have we heard about a provider needing cash for her room, a card so she can post, money for gas ect. ect. ect.
and some dumb sucker allows her to pull on his heartstrings, believing in all her promises, fronts her the money only to get nothing but the run around after?

So when a client falls for it and gets duped/ripped off, should it be written as a review so that it gets attached to the ladies profile?
What do you all think? I am especially interested in what some of the ladies think.

Personally I think we should start writing them that way...
After all, money did change hands so therefore they are not really a NCNS, its more like - I paid for a service and got fucked... and not in the intended way.

I think if a hooker can't take care of her business, she should find another business.

I am not going to gild the lily on this one. I can't stomach it when I hear some girl crying about how she can't afford this or that. FFS learn to manage your money better.

Guys, remember the next time some girl needs her prepaid phone topped off, or needs you to get her a prepaid card so she can post an ad, or needs this or that - chances are, she makes more money than you do. You don't hold out your hand asking others for help. Neither should she. Next time you see her, flip the script and tell her your car needs an oil change, and can she help you out with that. See how that works out.

As far as how a rip off should be written up, I agree that a rip off should be considered a legitimate review and added to a girl's profile. It is after all, the ultimate in information sharing. If money is exchanged, then it should be fair game to be reviewed. It is also worthy of an alert as well. If she is ripping guys off, she is someone that we all - hobbyist and provider alike - should avoid.

+1 Sins!! I completely agree with you 1,000%!!

Writing a review would let everyone see how she runs her business.

Wow the Sisters and Brothers Hit a Grand Slam

But, but, but.....she swallowed and told me the next day that I got her pregnant and if I didn't do those things that she would never let me see my kid when it was born the next week.

And then there was Emmie. She said, "I Love You....whatsurname." That just curled my toes and made me want to give her my CC's.

I think we need to define a ripoff, scam and alert.

A ripoff occurs when someone steals something from another or renegs or unilaterally changes the terms of an agreement. This is something that should be included in a review and, as such, be tied to a provider's profile.

A scam is anything like a bait and switch. A client sees an ad for someone and when he meets the provider, the experience is nothing like the ad promised. Again, this stuff should be part of a review, too.

An alert is any communication about a provider or situation that could cause harm to someone. The shouldn't be part of a review because alerts are sometimes based off hunches and not facts.

If a guy fronts cash and doesn't receive what he expected, that's not a scam, ripoff or alert. It's ignorance by the hobbyist. I don't blame the provider for this behavior.

Just means the provider would be a really great used car sales person. I agree, this falls back to being the clients fault, not the provider. It's nice to have a warning that she tries this though. Maybe it should be:
scam/ripoff/alertity

If a guy fronts cash and doesn't receive what he expected, that's not a scam, ripoff or alert. It's ignorance by the hobbyist. I don't blame the provider for this behavior. Originally Posted by CaptainKaos

If a guy fronts cash and doesn't receive what he expected, that's not a scam, ripoff or alert. It's ignorance by the hobbyist. I don't blame the provider for this behavior. Originally Posted by CaptainKaos

And it is that type of thinking the girls that pull this shit count on... that and when we do fall for their BS story lines and get duped, we are to embarrassed to say anything.
Then to make things worse, the guys that do have the balls to tell their stories get crucified for being such an idiot, something tells me that they pretty much already know that.
Then to make things worse, others that have similar stories, maybe even about the same girl, will not share them account of all of the piling on... and the vicious circle continues.

Girls that make it a habit of taking the money and then giving nothing but the run around after should be reported, especially when they don't make any attempt to make things right.
or even worse, like the latest report, they try using blackmail to keep you silent if you do start to question them about it.

I am glad the review was attached to said lady and always should be if there is $$ exchanged. what we have is sufficient otherwise. If there's ladies out that do this kind of skit everywhere they go its worth an alert!
Its not the first or last for either kind. So the more info that comes out the better and I don't care how!

I agree with Sins and Emmie. How one handles their business or doesn't tends to go hand in hand with how they handle their time with you in an appointment. I'm not trying to be rude, but we see it all of the time. I have had to hire some contractors lately, and I am not interested in dealing with ones that need an upfront payment to order supplies. WTF? If your business can not survive without, MY payment, I would say it is more than likely not a great business. I would definitely report a scenario where funds were supplied up front, and you did not receive the services.

By strict definition a thread started in the Alert forum should meet the following standard:

Issues which could endanger the safety of a member or members of our community go here. Please reserve this space for legitimate alerts, and not general FYI material.

The donkey was correct when he stated in a different thread than most posts to the Alerts forum do not belong there. Such posts are not moved for various reasons and the statements therein are valuable as notices. Plus, if one wants to argue semantics which I and many of you enjoy, situations surrounding encounters with a girl or others presumably involved with her, which possibly prompted this thread, could be stretched into being considered to have "endangered the safety of a member".

I contend that when a review is written or a thread started in the Coed Discussions forum stating a problem with a girl or her services even if the comments are refuted by the girl (or her management) is enough of an alert and another thread in the Alerts forum is not needed.

Should we then debate whether a "sticky" thread should be created in the Alerts forum for members to post concerns and problems with providers that may not meet the level of an official alert, but are valuable information for members to consider so the alert itself doesn't get buried?

I am interested in your comments.

And it is that type of thinking the girls that pull this shit count on... that and when we do fall for their BS story lines and get duped, we are to embarrassed to say anything.
Then to make things worse, the guys that do have the balls to tell their stories get crucified for being such an idiot, something tells me that they pretty much already know that.
Then to make things worse, others that have similar stories, maybe even about the same girl, will not share them account of all of the piling on... and the vicious circle continues.

Girls that make it a habit of taking the money and then giving nothing but the run around after should be reported, especially when they don't make any attempt to make things right.
or even worse, like the latest report, they try using blackmail to keep you silent if you do start to question them about it. Originally Posted by ElumEno

I understand that con men rely on the kindness (stupidity) of strangers. But there's a part of me that thinks some of the guys get duped because they think they're getting a better deal themselves by doing a gal a favor. That's why I have a hard time feeling sorry for guys who get suckered. If both parties treat this for what it is and not what they hope it could be, we would have less con games.

Let me start by stating I do not condone the acts described above on the part of the lady.

There are many ways to view this type of situation. Too often the "I need help, gas, room money, ad money, my electricity is being cut off" is a scam.

I want to offer a brazen devils advocate view here for a moment. There are times it is not a scam. If a lady in this business becomes ill, harmed, or simply has a lull in business, even with good money management she can easily find herself in quite a bit of trouble. In many other threads across the eccie boards you can find information of cost and overhead. So what you think she makes, and what she actually makes are two different things. Unlike normal jobs, if she gets the flu or a cold she is not likely welcome at work. No paid sick days. No health insurance. So it is quite possible for even the best most established lady to stumble into a hiccup. (Side note, it is also possible to plan ahead for this possibility and be ready) That being said, just because she has a hiccup moment does not mean anyone is obligated to help her out of that ditch. If they desire to do so there are many ways to help her without putting himself out. She needs a room or money? You have the means? Set a date with her. Now she has the funds to get a room herself and or pay that problem bill. She also gets the added bonus of an enjoyable time BCDs.

This is not simply a one sided burn either. Many times a woman will be in dire need and suddenly she has a handful of men more than willing to take advantage of her plight. He will give her half her normal donation to pay that car note if she see's him for two hours in return. How very generous of him.... She is stranded in x place and desperately needs a ride home turning to her most trusted client that she believes is really a friend. He demands physical attention as payment for this most kind and thoughtful rescue of his.

Then there are the situations where the girl is simply blowing off steam with what she had thought was someone who was more "friend" than "client" He takes it the wrong way and feels either she is trying to scam him or he is trying to hand over the funds she didn't want in the first place. She simply wanted someone to talk to that might understand. I am aware there will be a few to jump in and tear apart the possibility of having a friend in a client or friend in a provider. I refuse to believe that friendships cannot or does not develop. This should NEVER obligate the friend to "rescue" the other. If she really is the friend she claims to be, she is likely not asking for help but simply needs someone to talk to. It is not like she can turn to her "out side" friends and explain back to back cancelations after having acquired a room. Of course it is imperative to recognize those that are friends for real, and those that are friends for the time they donated to be with her. There is a big difference.

Also, for the gentleman, it is imperative to know if the girl is really a friend in return. If you are helping her out for a return (future date, extra time, extra services) make it clear in advance. Again the best option for this type of exchange is to simply set up an appointment. Try to avoid these types of exchanges if you do not really know your provider. If you do feel played or cheated do NOT feel afraid to say something on the boards. It is important for others to know. If she was using your generosity against you she may attempt to do this to other gentlemen. These situations is what turns nice, sweet, gentlemen into cold, demanding and objectifying hobbyists.

Advice for the gentlemen. You wish to help her. Target the help to the problem. She needs a room? Get an outcall and set an appointment. She will now have the funds for her room. She needs groceries? A small grocery store gift card. There is nothing wrong with wanting to help someone out. If she is truly the friend she claims to be she would be willing to do the same in return for you.

For the ladies. To avoid these problems one of the best ways I have found to prevent needing to ask for help are. Look for the local strip clubs. If you are desperate for money, you work the same day and get cash. It likely wont be much but should be enough to relieve small issues.
For every date you have, take out five dollars. Put in in a serve card, bluebird card, or shoe box. 5 bucks is nothing you will miss out of a sums over 100 dollars and overtime that builds up to a nice cushion for an emergency. Get a hotel rewards card. If you use incalls as your primary rendezvous, this can cut the cost of your rooms. Remember to get a hotel rewards card that encompasses several hotels in the area and out. Instead of reaching out to a client to ask for funds, reach out and ask for a date. Many times gentlemen do not wish to know of our woes or complications. So simply asking him if he wishes to meet up and enjoy some time together does not hurt. Surprisingly many men enjoy being reached out to for an appointment (this is also very helpful if you are in need of bcd action and not necessarily needing the funds. Usually the gentleman are happy you reached out and you still get an appointment with funds you can place into that back up jar)

Great advice Jaycee.

The following can be for any situation where you are helping someone. Friend or provider.

For the guys, make sure that both of you know up front if it is in exchange for something. If you give her money and don't say anything about what she needs to do in return, don't get pissed if nothing BCD changes for your next visit.

If she is sick and needs OTC medicine, if you aren't sure if it is a scam or not, offer to buy the meds and bring them to her instead of giving her cash. I know you can't do that on everything like cell phones because she isn't going to give you access to her account unless you are a really REALLY close friend. This isn't to say that if I trusted the person I would not just give them cash either but so that I am not disappointed, if it isn't a loan, I don't expect to ever see it again.

If she is hungry, buy her a pizza (example) instead of cash. If she needs cab fair, offer her a lift instead.

If you do something for her and tell her that she owes you nothing in return except a smile, then if you get nothing in return, you won't be disappointed. If she does something special for you in return, that's great.

Personally, I don't loan money unless it is a super close friend. When I help someone, it is because I genuinely like them and believe that they actually need help. That isn't saying I don't help people I don't know like the homeless or charities. I never expect anything in return, unless it is a loan, so if I don't get anything in return, I cannot be disappointed.

And no matter how you work it out, don't hold it over their heads that you helped them. If you keep reminding them, they might stop seeing you as a client or friend. If they scam you, they were never a friend in the first place.