Id just see two providers who are on p411, then and only then would I submit for a profile on it. That way you will have to submit less info to join... Originally Posted by gimme_thatGreat advice GT. If you can't see two P411 providers, see newbie friendly providers until you get a little cred. P411 is great if you hobby a little, a lot, locally or across States. Some ladies even offer huge discounts that almost pay for the annual subscription.