short time rant

It has come to my attention several of my clients feel they have bee shorted in time....
well if that is the case I apologize that is never my intention if your in a session and feel it is moving to fast say something ( me or any other provider), but stop and think about the activities done in your session.... you want to bring up short in time what about our short in tip???? (not all but some) clients show up and have booked a "body rub" the rate is 120 that's for your rub but half of you want a bbbj or fs but do not think it is extra tip, news flash guys this is our job we are here to make money and if you want vip treatment then pay accordingly, otherwise go to a Asian spa where you can get whatever you want for 40 I am sure this will hurt my business and to be honest I have been in the hobby for almost 4 years and I am sick of trying to make sure my clients have a nice time go above and beyond to insure they have the best time I can possibly offer...we as providers deal with your horrible breathe when you want GFE and your swamp ass while ur on my table ( half the time u guys leave shit stains on my towels) and you can not understand why we are not just ready to give you a blow job
The rough constant grabbing some of you guys could not find a clit if your life depended on it and how dare we expect a tip and that is why a lot of us only see regulars or get out so go ahead pick this post apart or talk shit I am done with it all I have a selective few clients I will still see because they know what I offer in session and seem to have no problem with my timing
thanks for reading but please remember we may choose this as our job but you choose to come see us would you want us to come to your job and ask you to do more work for less money?????

Maybe you're not charging enough??

Lmao at "they can't find a clit", guide them. I also suggest you charge more. I went and bought men hygiene products, so they have the option to take a shower and/or brush teeth. I am sorry you have to deal with that. Xo.

I would love to add to this rant, Rebecca.

For those that ask for a BNG. There is NO multi pops. This is generally a 10 to 15 min visit. One time cumin and then you go. If you want more, then ask for the appropriate type of visit that you are seeking.

Why are these things issues? Y'all don't know how to control/guide a session???
There are fucktards you're dealing with here

I agree with Venus. You should never be dealing with bad hygiene. Throw him in a shower. Jump in with him and wash him if you must. And yes, that comes out of his time. If he has bad breath, no kissing, and tell him why. Be nice, but firm and honest. Sometimes guys really just don't know, because no one ever told them. And don't go ranting about how you don't get tipped. You charge what you charge. If it isn't enough for you, raise your rates. You are not a tip earner. You don't live off of your tips like a waitress. A tip is a courtesy, a gift, from a well-satisfied customer. And certainly don't come here telling these guys how much you don't need them. You need them as much or more than they need you. Guys like to pay for SWEET ladies. They can get a lecture at home. And if you think $120/hr for JUST the massage is fair and reasonable, why don't you just go work at a spa and make that money all day long with no happy endings to worry about? That $120 absolutely IS the price for the entire performance, including the happy ending. Stop being spoiled and handle your business. We make a LOT of money in this business for less effort than most careers. Enjoy it, appreciate it, and don't alienate your client base by making them feel like you're not going to be the greatest, sweetest, most wonderful person they've ever met.

Maybe you're not charging enough?? Originally Posted by Hottentot Venus

I only charge the 120/80 because I am a body rub provider I feel if I charge more then FS or GFE is expected but jokes on me I guess because they seem to expect it regardless

I agree with Venus. You should never be dealing with bad hygiene. Throw him in a shower. Jump in with him and wash him if you must. And yes, that comes out of his time. If he has bad breath, no kissing, and tell him why. Be nice, but firm and honest. Sometimes guys really just don't know, because no one ever told them. And don't go ranting about how you don't get tipped. You charge what you charge. If it isn't enough for you, raise your rates. You are not a tip earner. You don't live off of your tips like a waitress. A tip is a courtesy, a gift, from a well-satisfied customer. And certainly don't come here telling these guys how much you don't need them. You need them as much or more than they need you. Guys like to pay for SWEET ladies. They can get a lecture at home. And if you think $120/hr for JUST the massage is fair and reasonable, why don't you just go work at a spa and make that money all day long with no happy endings to worry about? That $120 absolutely IS the price for the entire performance, including the happy ending. Stop being spoiled and handle your business. We make a LOT of money in this business for less effort than most careers. Enjoy it, appreciate it, and don't alienate your client base by making them feel like you're not going to be the greatest, sweetest, most wonderful person they've ever met. Originally Posted by CarolineDavenport

thank you for this I do not mind the endings at all I am sweet and nice the whole time I am in session I do not work in a spa because they pay barely 40/60 cut I do not mind providing services if I am paid for them I am not being spoiled I have been in this for quite some time I am just posting this to have dialogue to see if A) some one else has the same problems B) to see if there are ways to improve my business
and I agree a tip is a extra gift but when your working how much do you charge ...do you want to provide fs for 120 probably not
and I am not telling anyone I do or do not need them I am just discussing rates and hygiene But maybe since you have it all figured out maybe you should write it down such wisdom should be shared

Ladies, do we really want to talk this negatively in a public forum? Might be better discussed in depth within the provider-only section, especially suggestions on how to eliminate the problems, but since the OP brought it up and obviously wanted gents to see this so she can get a few things off her lovely breast, er, chest...

I think part of the issue may be simple misunderstanding; providers have to be crystal clear when advertising an FBSM that it DOES NOT entail anything that could be construed as a happy ending. Like any other sales endeavor, current market trends figure in, and alas, a lot of body rubs priced at $120 DO include either a HJ or BJ. I agree with the other ladies; the OP should charge more so that she doesn't feel that she's constantly being taken advantage of, plus a higher price usually (but granted, not always) attracts a client more likely to be concerned with personal hygiene.

Same thing for advertising BHG. Has to be clear that it includes 15 mins/1 pop only, or 30 mins/2 pops, whatever.

However, it is a fact and a shame that no matter what we do or how much we charge, how accommodating we may be, there are fellows who will try to "get over" on us because such head games give them their kick. I see this a lot more with short sessions, which are often more difficult to control since things are rushed.

Does anyone keep track of who presents what challenge? I do, i.e., most of the thoughtless fellows are not what I would call "members in good standing" of ECCIE, P411, or ANY other site. The majority of "true" Hobbyists know the procedure and the repercussions of not following it. Most (but let me make it clear, not all) of the problems I've had occurred with lurkers, or members who have a history of few posts and mainly see providers for low-budget sessions where they often try to push the boundaries.

Let's shout out a whopping HUGE thank you to the GOOD GUYS out there. Consider yourselves kissed on the body parts of your choice!

Ladies, do we really want to talk this negatively in a public forum? Might be better discussed in depth within the provider-only section, especially suggestions on how to eliminate the problems, but since the OP brought it up and obviously wanted gents to see this so she can get a few things off her lovely breast, er, chest...

I think part of the issue may be simple misunderstanding; providers have to be crystal clear when advertising an FBSM that it DOES NOT entail anything that could be construed as a happy ending. Like any other sales endeaver, current market trends figure in, and alas, a lot of body rubs priced at $120 DO include either a HJ or BJ. I agree with the other ladies; the OP should charge more so that she doesn't feel that she's constantly being taken advantage of, plus a higher price usually (but granted, not always) attracts a client more likely to be concerned with personal hygiene.

Same thing for advertising BHG. Has to be clear that it includes 15 mins/1 pop only, or 30 mins/2 pops, whatever.

It is a shame that no matter what we do or how much we charge, there are fellows who will try to "get over" on us because such head games give them their kick. I see this a lot more with short sessions, which are often more difficult to control since things are rushed.

Does anyone keep track of who presents what challenge? I do, i.e., most of the thoughtless fellows are not what I would call "members in good standing" of ECCIE, P411, or ANY other site. The majority of "true" Hobbyists know the procedure and the repercussions of not following it. Most (but let me make it clear, not all) of the problems I've had occurred with lurkers, or members who have a history of few posts and mainly see providers for low-budget sessions where they often try to push the boundaries.

A whopping HUGE thank you to the GOOD GUYS out there. Consider yourselves kissed on the body parts of your choice!

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

Thank you sorry I posted this in wrong thread
I did not realize there was a provider only ... thanks for your post very informative
gave me a lot to think about

to be clear I do have some great clients even more since I have moved from BP to eccie and I am thankful for them

You may not be able to see the private provider forum when you log in, although I thought it was open to ALL verified providers without having to ask, as opposed to other invitation-only areas. Inquire with mods ElisabethWhispers or SpiceItUp.

thank you and I also keep a list of the bad boys I do client verifications for a lot of girls will share list if you like my number 1 is safety

Bitch, moan, bitch, moan. I woke up at 5:00 am, drove in traffic for an hour and had to deal with my asshole boss all morning and will probably work until 8:00 pm. We all choose what we do for money so just deal with it.

I only charge the 120/80 because I am a body rub provider I feel if I charge more then FS or GFE is expected but jokes on me I guess because they seem to expect it regardless Originally Posted by RebeccaHillcroft

No you charge that because you work off backpage and thats the standard rate for backpage body rubs.. You are in control in the session so you can't blame all this on the clients.. If you are charging them $120 for a body rub then you should be charging extra for bj & fs your shorting yourself.. How long do you give them a body rub for? I give them a body rub for 45 min and then a bj.. I dont offer fs unless they book a min of 90 min.. There is no way you can give them a real body rub in an hour and offer fs.. If thry have stinky breath don't kiss them... Most guys are lost when it comes to daty thats a given show them or tell them what makes you feel good not every girl is the same... Not every guy tips do you say anything about tips in your ad? If a guy doesn't tip it's not the end of the world some of yall be bitching about the stupidest shit... Don't get an attitude with the girls that are trying to help you out you posted a question and we are trying to help you... Eccie clients and bp clients are 2 different type of clients you should know this.. If you don't have a bed and a bathroom then of course you cant charge as much you want more money get a better incall...

When I had an office I used baby wipes and a shit load of alcohol and thats how I cleaned them...

If you don't want them expecting fs then don't offer it as an option or even hint its an option... You really should use a different name on backpage than you do on eccie and this will save you from the bullshit but what do I lnow im just a hooker