Mike Pence To America: Trump Never Said Those Things He Said (He also tried to convince everyone Hillary Clinton is the really offensive candidate in the race.)

It was pretty plain to see that Pence was trying to distance himself from Drumpf. But when he flat out denied some of the shit that we've all heard Drumpf (and him) say, you had to realize that this was gonna come back and bite him in the ass.

Damned pesky facts ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0d0e1a9a9a98b

Mike Pence To America: Trump Never Said Those Things He Said
(He also tried to convince everyone Hillary Clinton is the really offensive candidate in the race.)

FARMVILLE, Va. ― Donald Trump’s running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R), spent much of the first and only vice presidential debate Tuesday night doing his damnedest to get Americans to forget all of the offensive things Trump has said.

Pence repeatedly tried to skirt around statements Trump actually said — or simply shook his head and ignored the question.

“I’m happy to defend [Trump],” Pence said.

But Pence rarely actually defended Trump. Instead, he dodged or outright denied his running mate’s statements. Some examples:

RUSSIA
When Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), Hillary Clinton’s running mate, accused Trump of praising Russian president Vladimir Putin as a “great leader,” Pence denied it and called Putin a “small and bullying leader.” But Trump has repeatedly praised Putin.

When Kaine said that Trump recently claimed Putin was not going into Ukraine, Pence denied it. But Trump did say, “He’s not going into Ukraine, OK, just so you understand. He’s not going to go into Ukraine, all right? You can mark it down. You can put it down. You can take it anywhere you want.” Putin took the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine in 2014.

Pence himself also recently said, “I think it’s inarguable that Vladimir Putin has been a stronger leader in his country than Barack Obama has been in this country.”

NUCLEAR WEAPONS
When Kaine challenged Pence to defend Trump’s comment that more nations should get nuclear weapons, Pence said “he never said that.” But Trump did.

TAXES
When Kaine pointed out that Trump had once promised to release his tax returns, Pence replied, “He said he will do it.” Trump has repeatedly said he can’t release his returns because he is being audited by the IRS. (The IRS has said nothing prevents him from releasing them.) There is absolutely no evidence that Trump will actually release his returns. His son, Donald Trump Jr., has admitted that there’s a more political reason the campaign is not releasing the returns: It would be a distraction and create too many “questions.”

IMMIGRATION
Kaine said Trump wants to have a “deportation force”: “They want to go house to house, school to school, business to business, and kick out 16 million people.” Pence called Kaine’s statement “nonsense.” Last year, Trump himself used the term “deportation force” in an interview with MSNBC’s “Morning Joe”: “You’re going to have a deportation force, and you’re going to do it humanely. And you’re going to bring the country – and frankly, the people, because you have some excellent wonderful people, some fantastic people that have been here for a long period of time.”

MEXICANS
Pence tried to defend Trump’s comments about Mexicans after Kaine pointed out that the GOP presidential candidate has called immigrants from the country “rapists.”

“He also said, ‘many of them are good people,’” Pence replied.

Trump’s actual quote last year was: “When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.”

ABORTION
When Kaine said that Trump had said women should be punished for abortion, Pence said, “Donald Trump and I would never support legislation that punished women who made the heartbreaking choice to end a pregnancy.” But Trump did say that women who have abortions should be punished.

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Immediately after the debate, GOP operatives piled into the spin room and dismissed the idea that Pence had dodged any topic.

“What didn’t he stand up for?” asked Sean Spicer, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee. “That’s silly to suggest. He defended Trump on every single issue.”

When The Huffington Post cited Pence’s pivot away from the question about Trump’s comments on Putin invading Ukraine, Spicer opted to ... pivot.

“I think Trump had clarified at the time...” he said, trailing off. “Frankly, if I were Democrats right now, I’d be ashamed of the job that Tim Kaine did. He didn’t defend Hillary Clinton.”

Democrats, of course, said Pence spent the whole night trying to avoid Trump’s controversies.

“What you saw was Pence not defending Donald Trump and, frankly, lying or running away,” said Clinton campaign spokeswoman Karen Finney. “The most egregious example was on Vladimir Putin. Donald Trump said he believed Vladimir Putin is a better leader than Barack Obama. When asked about it, Pence said he absolutely agreed with that. Tonight, he said something completely different.”

For his part, Pence argued that Clinton is the truly offensive candidate in the race for president.

He attacked Clinton and Kaine for suggesting that a black police officer could be biased. People “seize upon tragedy as a reason to use a broad brush to accuse law enforcement of implicit bias or institutional racism,” Pence said. “That really has got to stop.”

And he slammed Clinton for suggesting that many of Trump’s supporters are motivated by bigotry. “Hillary Clinton said that half of our supporters were a basket of deplorables,” Pence said. “She said they were irredeemable, not American. It is extraordinary. She nailed one after another ‘ism’ on millions of Americans who believe we can end illegal immigration once and for all.”

Pence was “gaslighting,” MSNBC’s Chris Hayes tweeted. As Huffington Post reporter Melissa Jeltsen explained in March, gaslighting — questioning and undermining someone else’s sense of reality — is a favorite tactic of Trump’s. And Pence used it repeatedly.

Kaine wasn’t having it. Trump “started his campaign with a speech where he called Mexicans rapists and criminals, and he has pursued the discredited and outrageous lie that President Obama was not born in the United States,” he said. He deployed a tactic that the Clinton campaign has used in its TV ads: Simply repeat what Trump himself has said. But Pence deflected or denied each time, calling it part of his opponents’ “insult-driven campaign.”

Because it takes a while to see any changes in polling, we won’t know who “won” the debate for a few days. But there’s not much evidence that winning or losing the debate will swing the election. Presidential debates don’t normally change voters’ views much. Vice presidential debates matter even less.

Nor is there any evidence that Pence or Kaine will help their running mates carry their home states. “A vice presidential candidate’s state of residence generally has no effect on how a presidential candidate performs in that state,” Politico Magazine found in April. “The vice presidential home state advantage is, essentially, zero.”

Here’s the real reason you should care about what happened Tuesday night: One of these men could very well become president. Fourteen of the 44 presidents of the United States served as veep. Eight of them got the top job because the president died in office.

“You’re not going to take it, are you?” Grace Coolidge asked her husband, Calvin, when he was picked for the vice presidency in 1920. “I suppose I’ll have to,” he replied. Three years later, he was president.

It was pretty plain to see that Pence was trying to distance himself from Drumpf. But when he flat out denied some of the shit that we've all heard Drumpf (and him) say, you had to realize that this was gonna come back and bite him in the ass.

Damned pesky facts ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0d0e1a9a9a98b

Mike Pence To America: Trump Never Said Those Things He Said
(He also tried to convince everyone Hillary Clinton is the really offensive candidate in the race.)

FARMVILLE, Va. ― Donald Trump’s running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R), spent much of the first and only vice presidential debate Tuesday night doing his damnedest to get Americans to forget all of the offensive things Trump has said.

Pence repeatedly tried to skirt around statements Trump actually said — or simply shook his head and ignored the question.

“I’m happy to defend [Trump],” Pence said.

But Pence rarely actually defended Trump. Instead, he dodged or outright denied his running mate’s statements. Some examples:

RUSSIA
When Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), Hillary Clinton’s running mate, accused Trump of praising Russian president Vladimir Putin as a “great leader,” Pence denied it and called Putin a “small and bullying leader.” But Trump has repeatedly praised Putin. Putin is a stronger leader on the world stage than Obama. Show a link where Trump said he preferred Putin's policies. You won't.

When Kaine said that Trump recently claimed Putin was not going into Ukraine, Pence denied it. But Trump did say, “He’s not going into Ukraine, OK, just so you understand. He’s not going to go into Ukraine, all right? You can mark it down. You can put it down. You can take it anywhere you want.” Putin took the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine in 2014. Pence explained that in the debate, if you were paying attention.

Pence himself also recently said, “I think it’s inarguable that Vladimir Putin has been a stronger leader in his country than Barack Obama has been in this country.” That's just a fact. Obama is weak.

NUCLEAR WEAPONS
When Kaine challenged Pence to defend Trump’s comment that more nations should get nuclear weapons, Pence said “he never said that.” But Trump did. Trump thinks more nations should take more responsibility for their defense. He's right.

TAXES
When Kaine pointed out that Trump had once promised to release his tax returns, Pence replied, “He said he will do it.” Trump has repeatedly said he can’t release his returns because he is being audited by the IRS. (The IRS has said nothing prevents him from releasing them.) There is absolutely no evidence that Trump will actually release his returns. His son, Donald Trump Jr., has admitted that there’s a more political reason the campaign is not releasing the returns: It would be a distraction and create too many “questions.” Tax returns are irrelevant. Trump's returns are more complex than most. His attorneys have advised him not to release them. If there were any crimes there, we'd know about it. His financials contain more relevant info. Examine them. And I don't think any candidate should release their returns, not just Trump.

IMMIGRATION
Kaine said Trump wants to have a “deportation force”: “They want to go house to house, school to school, business to business, and kick out 16 million people.” Pence called Kaine’s statement “nonsense.” Last year, Trump himself used the term “deportation force” in an interview with MSNBC’s “Morning Joe”: “You’re going to have a deportation force, and you’re going to do it humanely. And you’re going to bring the country – and frankly, the people, because you have some excellent wonderful people, some fantastic people that have been here for a long period of time.” Yeah. Good idea. The deportation force will be ICE. They will do it how Pence described.

MEXICANS
Pence tried to defend Trump’s comments about Mexicans after Kaine pointed out that the GOP presidential candidate has called immigrants from the country “rapists.”

“He also said, ‘many of them are good people,’” Pence replied.

Trump’s actual quote last year was: “When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.” Which totally supports what Pence said. And some ARE rapists. And drug dealers. And criminals.

ABORTION
When Kaine said that Trump had said women should be punished for abortion, Pence said, “Donald Trump and I would never support legislation that punished women who made the heartbreaking choice to end a pregnancy.” But Trump did say that women who have abortions should be punished. Listen to the entire quote. Trump was asked if a law was passed outlawing abortion, should the woman be punished? He relied, "Why would you have a law with no consequences for breaking it?? But generally, he would not support such a law. You can learn a lot from context. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

You've got to learn to think for yourself, AssupHack. Your talking point and lying campaign isn't working. It just shows what a stupid shill you are for Crooked Hillary.

Mike Wince (as I call him) is having a hard time. Him supporting Trump reminds me of a shotgun wedding (where the Bride's father holds a shotgun to the back of the Groom) forcing him to Marry his ugly daughter. You can tell Mike doesn't want to do it but he took one for the team. Had he not no one would have accepted the job except for maybe Rudy Guiliani, Ben Carson, or Chris (Salami Sandwich) Christie.

I would have loved to see Trump pick one of those unhinged losers. hahaha

Mike Wince (as I call him) is having a hard time. Him supporting Trump reminds me of a shotgun wedding (where the Bride's father holds a shotgun to the back of the Groom) forcing him to Marry his ugly daughter. You can tell Mike doesn't want to do it but he took one for the team. Had he not no one would have accepted the job except for maybe Rudy Guiliani, Ben Carson, or Chris (Salami Sandwich) Christie.

I would have loved to see Trump pick one of those unhinged losers. hahaha Originally Posted by Sistine Chapel

You shouldn't be calling your bro Carson unhinged. The good doctor did "unhinge" Siamese twins. Now go stuff your face with a baloney sandwich, because you're full of it.

she is the offensive person

and many times trump's meaning has been twisted

I didn't figure anybody here would disagree with Pence's dodgeball act.

But his outright lies were symptomatic of a campaign that refuses to face the truth.

Drumpf no doubt will dress him down for breaking with him on Russia.

YRider and Sistene -

1) Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton raised something on the order of $2 Billion after the Haiti earthquake and spent about $41 Million on aid to dying men, women, and children at last count between 100,000 and 200,000. The rest has gone to hiring Foundation people that are now staff for her campaign. Dallas Morning News clearly chose to ignore these facts that have been presented in countless articles. And in the WSJ at least 3 times. Now 4 times and with Hurricane Matthew just blasted the region and taking out the bridge between the capital city and coast, thousand of more people will die. Clinton KEPT the aid money and now she will do it again. Just watch her run to the front of a camera and weep for your money to save Haiti. She will keep it again, no doubt. Look up her past and she will now repeat becasue she is getting away with it. This is profound evil.

2) Bill Clinton visited Jeffrey Epstein's Pedophile Island 28 times. Can anyone tell us that HRC did not know that that is where he went 28 times. She had no idea of his whereabouts? Baloney!!! SHE KNEW. One more time SHE KNEW. That silence in her ongoing marriage makes her complicit in the monstrosity that is the repeated raping of underage girls. SHE KNEW.

Trump may well be the jerk, but his redeeming quality is that he is fighting FOR America. So, we have a 5% chance of a good presidency with Trump.

With Clinton, we have a ZERO percent chance. And the Dallas Morning News is willing to lend their support to this wretched political creature. She is evil and those who shill for her are Stupid.

I didn't figure anybody here would disagree with Pence's dodgeball act.

But his outright lies were symptomatic of a campaign that refuses to face the truth.

Drumpf no doubt will dress him down for breaking with him on Russia. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

The Obama administration has a dismal record with Russia, and it is only getting worse.

. She is evil and those who shill for her are Stupid. Originally Posted by johnjay

and/or they think they personally will gain

The Obama administration has a dismal record with Russia, and it is only getting worse. Originally Posted by DSK

You got that right!

Odumbo is now sitting back and letting the Russians install their state-of-the-art anti-aircraft weapons in Syria. The people Assad and Putin are fighting in Syria have no aircraft - so what's it for? To deter us from setting up a no-fly zone to protect Syrian refugees and keep them from fleeing to Europe. Putin knows exactly what he is doing. He is expanding his presence and influence incrementally throughout the Middle East and destabilizing Europe. He has a plan and he is playing a long game.

While Odumbo and Kerry twiddle their thumbs and watch.

P.S. Putin also sold the same anti-aircraft system to Iran right after we signed the nuclear agreement.

It was pretty plain to see that Pence was trying to distance himself from Drumpf. But when he flat out denied some of the shit that we've all heard Drumpf (and him) say, you had to realize that this was gonna come back and bite him in the ass.

Damned pesky facts ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0d0e1a9a9a98b

Mike Pence To America: Trump Never Said Those Things He Said
(He also tried to convince everyone Hillary Clinton is the really offensive candidate in the race.)

FARMVILLE, Va. ― Donald Trump’s running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R), spent much of the first and only vice presidential debate Tuesday night doing his damnedest to get Americans to forget all of the offensive things Trump has said.

Pence repeatedly tried to skirt around statements Trump actually said — or simply shook his head and ignored the question.

“I’m happy to defend [Trump],” Pence said.

But Pence rarely actually defended Trump. Instead, he dodged or outright denied his running mate’s statements. Some examples:

RUSSIA
When Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), Hillary Clinton’s running mate, accused Trump of praising Russian president Vladimir Putin as a “great leader,” Pence denied it and called Putin a “small and bullying leader.” But Trump has repeatedly praised Putin.

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Did you just out yourself by quoting the article you posted at Huffy, you Mussulman-luvin, Hitler worshipping, lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM? Because, it's a well known fact that Huffy has no "real" journalists or any traditional journalistic standards other than posting pro-hildebeest/anti-Trump articles and deleting pro-Trump/anti-hildebeest articles, you Mussulman-luvin, Hitler worshipping, lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM. Huffy let's assholes like you post anything you want, you Mussulman-luvin, Hitler worshipping, lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM, but that means what assholes like you post at Huffy is non-substantive and biased shit which needs to flushed on a regular basis.

BTW, you Mussulman-luvin, Hitler worshipping, lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM, it was Kaine who lied when he claimed Trump said he "admired" Putin. None of you lib-retarded jackasses can cite an occassion where Trump said he "admired" Putin, you Mussulman-luvin, Hitler worshipping, lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM. The principal message that Trump has sent is that Putin is more popular in his country than Odumbo is in this country, and that Putin has consistently kicked Odumbo and hildebeest in their collective asses by advancing his country's foreign policy over their incompetent and ineffective objections, you Mussulman-luvin, Hitler worshipping, lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM.

I didn't figure anybody here would disagree with Pence's dodgeball act.

But his outright lies were symptomatic of a campaign that refuses to face the truth.

Drumpf no doubt will dress him down for breaking with him on Russia. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

How about Clintons lies to Congress, the FBI and the American people? Stupid pig

you Mussulman-luvin, Hitler worshipping, lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM
Originally Posted by I B Hankering

the saddest words of mice or men - and the worst of these is DEM

YRider and Sistene -

1) Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton raised something on the order of $2 Billion after the Haiti earthquake and spent about $41 Million on aid to dying men, women, and children at last count between 100,000 and 200,000. The rest has gone to hiring Foundation people that are now staff for her campaign. Dallas Morning News clearly chose to ignore these facts that have been presented in countless articles. And in the WSJ at least 3 times. Now 4 times and with Hurricane Matthew just blasted the region and taking out the bridge between the capital city and coast, thousand of more people will die. Clinton KEPT the aid money and now she will do it again. Just watch her run to the front of a camera and weep for your money to save Haiti. She will keep it again, no doubt. Look up her past and she will now repeat becasue she is getting away with it. This is profound evil.

2) Bill Clinton visited Jeffrey Epstein's Pedophile Island 28 times. Can anyone tell us that HRC did not know that that is where he went 28 times. She had no idea of his whereabouts? Baloney!!! SHE KNEW. One more time SHE KNEW. That silence in her ongoing marriage makes her complicit in the monstrosity that is the repeated raping of underage girls. SHE KNEW.

Trump may well be the jerk, but his redeeming quality is that he is fighting FOR America. So, we have a 5% chance of a good presidency with Trump.

With Clinton, we have a ZERO percent chance. And the Dallas Morning News is willing to lend their support to this wretched political creature. She is evil and those who shill for her are Stupid. Originally Posted by johnjay

The facts show either your ignorance or your bias or both.

The American Institute of Philanthropy gives the Clinton Foundation an 'A' grade, as a full 89% of their money actually goes to the charities involved, including Haiti.

Repeating a lie - or referring to 'countless articles' that also repeat that lie - over and over, does not magically turn it into a Truth. Objective facts are what determine a Truth - at least for everyone but Pence. How many times did he lie about what he and Trump are on record as saying?

If you can show us where the AIP above would be biased in its data, please do so. Otherwise, you should do the honorable thing and retract your BS.

This article shows not only the facts as reported by the AIP, but also presents the glowing accolades bestowed on the Clinton Foundation by none other than.... the last 2 GOP nominees - McCain and Romney.

no

he is correct

what is true, and admitted by Clinton sycophants and surrogates, is that the Clinton foundation doesn't pay out funds to 501 (c) 3 charities ,educational or religious groups, as most all do, to meet their philanthropic exempt purpose

a private foundation is required to contribute annually a minimum of 5% of its net worth to its exempt purpose. Almost every private foundation does this by making grants to charities, but not the Clinton foundation

private foundations must get a copy of the 501 (c)3 exempt letter the IRS issues from those to whom they make grants

the clinton foundation claims they meet the requirement to contribute by hiring people - no 501 (c) 3 letter needed- ha ha we are so smart

they have, supposedly, organized a private foundation along the lines of a straight 501 (c) 3 charity. in essence they claim they are their own charity and whatever they do or whoever they pay is charity, a claim supported, ostensibly, by their travels and meetings

a private foundation is allowed its own trustees and directors. it normally does not elicit contributions from the general public. most all private foundations are grant making, that is, granting funds directly to charities. but not the clinton foundation.

a private foundation makes an allocation of salaries, expenses, travel etc between general and administrative purposes and fund raising purposes and expenditures for its exempt purpose (the 5% requirement)

the Clinton foundation largely claims an allocation of the salaries and travel for all their hanger-ons and Chelsea and bill's gallivanting to meet this 5% requirement

so all these clinton global initiative meetings and most likely a large chunk of Chelsea's salary and other's pay, while doing the Clinton's bidding etc count as meeting their exempt purpose

and who among us believes the IRS would ever properly police the Clintons?

its a slush fund guaranteeing Clinton family members a paycheck into the future and securing sycophants and its a way of having your cake and eating it too