Hey I'm Keeli Rose and I will be making my first trip to vegas towards the end of Jan. Since this is my first trip ever, what area(s) would you suggest to be the best to stay in? and which hotels/areas should I stay away from?
Thanks for the help,
Keeli
- Keeli Rose
- 12-04-2011, 08:39 PM
- quzi
- 12-06-2011, 04:25 AM
Since no one has chimed in, let me point out a few things from a Vegas local:
If you're going to tour Vegas, your best bet is probably trying to get some clients off your existing mailing list to see you here. As you may be aware by looking at P411 and Date Check, there's a lot of provider ads for Vegas. If you expand that search to other ad sites, the pool of available providers in Vegas expands (for those of us that pay attention, a lot of those ads are from crappy bait-n-switch agencies and scammers). So the biggest issue I see for touring providers is how do you stand out from the crowd to make it worth it to visit here.
Using a site like ECCIE where the good word of mouth counts for a lot means that you want to see clients that are a bit more knowledgeable than the guys just winging it (a la Hangover movie). I could be completely wrong here so let me digress on the non-Internet option:
Work the casino bars and nightclubs. Most guys visiting Vegas (and let's face it, it's a tourist market, they're the ones with lots of cash for gambling and other activities; us locals aren't throwing money around like they are) are looking for a hook up. Free ideally. But some are willing to pay. It's a gamble whether they find a GFE type provider (very rare but I would guess you're in this category) or something OK or worse (trick roll, upsell). Usually, they're probably drunk or worse so they probably won't remember much, which is what most casino and agency girls are hoping for, cause they're trying to extract the most cash for the least effort and they don't care about their reputation or providing good service. A very typical Vegas experience you sometimes see in reviews on sites like ECCIE. You're free to join them. The risks on this side of the aisle are bad clients (due to being outta their gourd), being harassed by pimps or hotel security or LE, hotel security throwing the trespass card (do not return to this property or you will be arrest for trespass, a misdemeanor no matter how many times you're caught), or LE catching you for solicitation (also a misdemeanor). While paying bail is quicker, it's easily possible to released on a signature bond within 72 hours due to potential overcrowding in the lockup (assuming there wasn't a resisting arrest or other violent charge against you). As I'm not a pimp and can't speak to their tactics, there's some material out there about how they recruit and keep their women. FYI many of the casino girls also work for the various agencies around town (they go to the office to let them know they're available) and wait for the call to race to the guy's room. They have offices close to the strip if you want to go this route. The agencies get a fee for getting you (or anyone that stop in that day/night) to a client's room. You work for tips. Many uninformed guys think the agency fee will get them full service (shock for them when woman says that she works for tips only and those tips are mighty expensive).
Work for a licensed brothel. The closest ones to Vegas are in the county to the west/northwest called Nye County (around six licensed brothels there, give or take). It's roughly an hour drive to get to the nearest ones. You'll have to arrange to work there. I'm sure there's a waiting list and there's state regulations (like the weekly STD testing). Each brothel is licensed to have up to a certain number of sex workers at any one time (the waiting list). Small ones are licensed for up to 4 ladies, larger ones can potentially have over 20. The cool thing is that it's legal and completely safe (because safety is of primary concern, you're looking at CBJ, CDATY, CFS). Some brothels charge by the service, others by the hour. The part that sucks is that there's a minimum house fee that needs to be charged and you generally split the money you negotiate with the client 50/50 with the brothel. Some brothels will keep you on site the whole time you're contracted to be there (usually a week or two at a time) and they can potentially nickel and dime you for supplies and food and whatever. As I've never been someone that worked there, this is mostly what I've gleamed from others. Look around and ask for better info from the ladies that actually have worked at these places. Some of the more remote brothels tend to cater to long haul truckers because they're along the way to their destination.
So, if you're not completely depressed about working in Vegas, where should you stay? I'd steer clear of the places that have weekly rates and Motel 6 types places (cause the pimps are using these places for their girls and you have a higher chance of being harassed or worse from these pimps). It's up to you if that's your thing. Personally, I like the minor deterrent of having hotel security at the guest elevator checking room keys (or in some places, you actually need the room key to get the elevator buttons to work). Keeps the riff raff away from the guest floors (most of the time). A bit of a pain when you have to meet your client in a public place and bring them up to your room (assuming you're using your room for incall). Maybe a false sense of security and a hassle when doing appointments, but it does help you feel better about random people/pimps doing worse past the guest elevators.
When it comes to the majority of the Vegas clients, it's mostly about timing. Are they going to be here when you are? Which is why I mentioned above that it's best to try and get the guys you already know to see you here at the same time (and seeing them in Vegas might add to the thrill). Locals fall into two camps: those that prefer incalls and those that want you to come to their home somewhere in the valley (which may require a drive of up to 30 minutes in most cases but sometimes longer; which means you need a car with an up to date navigation system). I may be in the minority of locals but I don't mind driving across the valley to get to an incall (some would rather have the convenience of being close by but who knows what part of the valley they call home).
Some rules of thumb:
Do not ask for deposits (except for longer appointments). The other options out there do not require deposits and as a touring provider, if you ask for deposits, the pool of potential clients that will book you will become very small.
Cancellations/no call no show is fairly common in Vegas. The blame is placed proportionally to the provider and client when you consider the sheer numbers. Sad but true. While asking for a deposit may make the client better invested in making the appointment, this is Vegas, they aren't going to plan in advance (unless the guy has a grand plan for the evening and taking a deposit on a long appointment is more acceptable), and not book in advance. From a personal note, I hate it when I book a room to make my own incall and the provider cancels/NCNS on me, cause now I got an empty room, no fun, I'm out a few bucks, and my time is wasted. FWIW, guys do cancel or NCNS cause they lost the cash at the tables/machines, got sick, got held up by business, can't shake the SO, etc. It happens a lot.
From all the review sites, picking a hotel/casino on the lower end of the spectrum isn't all that great. Imperial Palace, Circus Circus are panned a lot on the review sites. Riviera and Excalibur aren't much better. For downtown properties, Golden Nugget is the best of the lot although all the downtown properties have the hassle of getting validated self parking and potentially full valet parking or a walk from some street parking, a hassle for a local like myself, but could potentially be a deterrent.
A rule of thumb with many exceptions is that the newer the property, the better it is. The highly rated properties tend to be on the newer side. Why you should pick one place over another is a matter of preference and convenience. If you happen do a lot of outcall, mostly to out of town clients, it'll probably be on the strip (easy to take a cab). For locals, they'll come to you for an incall. Being slightly off strip make it easier for locals. Taking a cab to a home away from the strip can be difficult as the cab that takes you back may take some time to get there (most cabbies rather ply their trade on the strip or airport). The hotel choice should really be based on what you intend to do when you're not working. Shopping, restaurants, nightclubs, or whatever you want to do with your free time should dictate which property to stay at. Without any additional input, I can't really steer you to one place over another.
It's a lot to take in, but hopefully it brings a little light into what to expect here in Vegas.
Bob
If you're going to tour Vegas, your best bet is probably trying to get some clients off your existing mailing list to see you here. As you may be aware by looking at P411 and Date Check, there's a lot of provider ads for Vegas. If you expand that search to other ad sites, the pool of available providers in Vegas expands (for those of us that pay attention, a lot of those ads are from crappy bait-n-switch agencies and scammers). So the biggest issue I see for touring providers is how do you stand out from the crowd to make it worth it to visit here.
Using a site like ECCIE where the good word of mouth counts for a lot means that you want to see clients that are a bit more knowledgeable than the guys just winging it (a la Hangover movie). I could be completely wrong here so let me digress on the non-Internet option:
Work the casino bars and nightclubs. Most guys visiting Vegas (and let's face it, it's a tourist market, they're the ones with lots of cash for gambling and other activities; us locals aren't throwing money around like they are) are looking for a hook up. Free ideally. But some are willing to pay. It's a gamble whether they find a GFE type provider (very rare but I would guess you're in this category) or something OK or worse (trick roll, upsell). Usually, they're probably drunk or worse so they probably won't remember much, which is what most casino and agency girls are hoping for, cause they're trying to extract the most cash for the least effort and they don't care about their reputation or providing good service. A very typical Vegas experience you sometimes see in reviews on sites like ECCIE. You're free to join them. The risks on this side of the aisle are bad clients (due to being outta their gourd), being harassed by pimps or hotel security or LE, hotel security throwing the trespass card (do not return to this property or you will be arrest for trespass, a misdemeanor no matter how many times you're caught), or LE catching you for solicitation (also a misdemeanor). While paying bail is quicker, it's easily possible to released on a signature bond within 72 hours due to potential overcrowding in the lockup (assuming there wasn't a resisting arrest or other violent charge against you). As I'm not a pimp and can't speak to their tactics, there's some material out there about how they recruit and keep their women. FYI many of the casino girls also work for the various agencies around town (they go to the office to let them know they're available) and wait for the call to race to the guy's room. They have offices close to the strip if you want to go this route. The agencies get a fee for getting you (or anyone that stop in that day/night) to a client's room. You work for tips. Many uninformed guys think the agency fee will get them full service (shock for them when woman says that she works for tips only and those tips are mighty expensive).
Work for a licensed brothel. The closest ones to Vegas are in the county to the west/northwest called Nye County (around six licensed brothels there, give or take). It's roughly an hour drive to get to the nearest ones. You'll have to arrange to work there. I'm sure there's a waiting list and there's state regulations (like the weekly STD testing). Each brothel is licensed to have up to a certain number of sex workers at any one time (the waiting list). Small ones are licensed for up to 4 ladies, larger ones can potentially have over 20. The cool thing is that it's legal and completely safe (because safety is of primary concern, you're looking at CBJ, CDATY, CFS). Some brothels charge by the service, others by the hour. The part that sucks is that there's a minimum house fee that needs to be charged and you generally split the money you negotiate with the client 50/50 with the brothel. Some brothels will keep you on site the whole time you're contracted to be there (usually a week or two at a time) and they can potentially nickel and dime you for supplies and food and whatever. As I've never been someone that worked there, this is mostly what I've gleamed from others. Look around and ask for better info from the ladies that actually have worked at these places. Some of the more remote brothels tend to cater to long haul truckers because they're along the way to their destination.
So, if you're not completely depressed about working in Vegas, where should you stay? I'd steer clear of the places that have weekly rates and Motel 6 types places (cause the pimps are using these places for their girls and you have a higher chance of being harassed or worse from these pimps). It's up to you if that's your thing. Personally, I like the minor deterrent of having hotel security at the guest elevator checking room keys (or in some places, you actually need the room key to get the elevator buttons to work). Keeps the riff raff away from the guest floors (most of the time). A bit of a pain when you have to meet your client in a public place and bring them up to your room (assuming you're using your room for incall). Maybe a false sense of security and a hassle when doing appointments, but it does help you feel better about random people/pimps doing worse past the guest elevators.
When it comes to the majority of the Vegas clients, it's mostly about timing. Are they going to be here when you are? Which is why I mentioned above that it's best to try and get the guys you already know to see you here at the same time (and seeing them in Vegas might add to the thrill). Locals fall into two camps: those that prefer incalls and those that want you to come to their home somewhere in the valley (which may require a drive of up to 30 minutes in most cases but sometimes longer; which means you need a car with an up to date navigation system). I may be in the minority of locals but I don't mind driving across the valley to get to an incall (some would rather have the convenience of being close by but who knows what part of the valley they call home).
Some rules of thumb:
Do not ask for deposits (except for longer appointments). The other options out there do not require deposits and as a touring provider, if you ask for deposits, the pool of potential clients that will book you will become very small.
Cancellations/no call no show is fairly common in Vegas. The blame is placed proportionally to the provider and client when you consider the sheer numbers. Sad but true. While asking for a deposit may make the client better invested in making the appointment, this is Vegas, they aren't going to plan in advance (unless the guy has a grand plan for the evening and taking a deposit on a long appointment is more acceptable), and not book in advance. From a personal note, I hate it when I book a room to make my own incall and the provider cancels/NCNS on me, cause now I got an empty room, no fun, I'm out a few bucks, and my time is wasted. FWIW, guys do cancel or NCNS cause they lost the cash at the tables/machines, got sick, got held up by business, can't shake the SO, etc. It happens a lot.
From all the review sites, picking a hotel/casino on the lower end of the spectrum isn't all that great. Imperial Palace, Circus Circus are panned a lot on the review sites. Riviera and Excalibur aren't much better. For downtown properties, Golden Nugget is the best of the lot although all the downtown properties have the hassle of getting validated self parking and potentially full valet parking or a walk from some street parking, a hassle for a local like myself, but could potentially be a deterrent.
A rule of thumb with many exceptions is that the newer the property, the better it is. The highly rated properties tend to be on the newer side. Why you should pick one place over another is a matter of preference and convenience. If you happen do a lot of outcall, mostly to out of town clients, it'll probably be on the strip (easy to take a cab). For locals, they'll come to you for an incall. Being slightly off strip make it easier for locals. Taking a cab to a home away from the strip can be difficult as the cab that takes you back may take some time to get there (most cabbies rather ply their trade on the strip or airport). The hotel choice should really be based on what you intend to do when you're not working. Shopping, restaurants, nightclubs, or whatever you want to do with your free time should dictate which property to stay at. Without any additional input, I can't really steer you to one place over another.
It's a lot to take in, but hopefully it brings a little light into what to expect here in Vegas.
Bob
- Keeli Rose
- 12-08-2011, 06:10 PM
ok thank you sweetie for all the helpful info you gave me. Can't wait to make the trip!