Today in Washington Republicans are giving the cold shoulder to the majority Democrats in Congress who are spending the day calling Trump a "fascist" and claiming they are struggling to save "our democracy." But let's look at how the riot really happened.
It has it's roots in the contested election of 2000, where the Democrats claimed fraud in Florida and Ohio, and no winner was determined for weeks and weeks until a party line vote in the Supreme Court awarded it to W. Bush. That was the beginning of all this mess.
Then in 2016 when Trump won many Democrats claimed that the election was a fraud, the product of Russian interference, which was a lie. Hilary said Trump was an "illegitimate President" and she and legions of other Democrats declared Trump was "unfit" and that he "wasn't their President" and that they would form a "resistance." A resistance --- doesn't that imply revolution, or at a minimum a rejection of the Constitution and the present system?
Thereafter the Democrats tried to smear Trump with lies about collusion with Russia as well as dozens of other lies. Those who created these lies knew they were untrue, but masses of Democrats, believing what they were told by a bias media, believed it all. These were all illegitimate means to try to reverse the election, to nullify it, through tools of "psychological warfare" by the Democrats who didn't give a shit about "our democracy" and the fact that Trump had won the election fairly. In fact, every power center in America opposed Trump, but he won anyway because so many working class people who the Democrats claim to care about supported his policies... HIS POLICIES.
Trump endured a phony impeachment based on nothing. Of course Presidents have the authority to hold up foreign aid for any reason they want. In the case of Biden and Ukraine, Biden was caught colluding with a foreign government similarly to what the Democrats falsely claimed Trump had done, so of course he would pressure the reluctant Ukrainians to commit to investigating the matter. As it was the Ukrainians would investigate nothing because they were afraid of Biden, and thought he would come back in a couple of years and punish him - AND THEY WERE RIGHT.
So here Trump is, the target of one hammer blow after another by his enemies (including some Republicans like the Cheneys and Romney) all of whom are using ILLICITE means to reverse the outcome of the legitimate results of the 2016 election, with no regard whatsoever about "our democracy." So how would this work on Trump's mind? Of course he is going to anticipate that the Democrats are going to try to steal the election. He'd be nuts not to come to that conclusion. So when several examples came in of questionable methods and results emerged from many sources what was he supposed to do? Was he supposed to do nothing? He tried taking evidence, including many Affidavits, to the Courts, but every Court refused to get involved. When his supporters went to Washington to form a giant protest against what appeared to be going on he thought it would be a peaceful, colossal protest. Instead it turned out that a core of these knuckleheads were lunatics who used a chapter out of the Left's own playbook to occupy the Capitol....to occupy it. They were unarmed. They had no formal leaders and no plan. They sought to occupy the Capitol in a similar way to what students used to do in the 1960s across Campuses all over the country. And yes, most of these "sit-ins" resulted in disorder with club and gas used by police to counter the illegal activists who were seeking to stop the functioning of the agency involved (just like the Jan.6 activists were doing). None of them were "fascists" any more than Trump is.
But now that Trump has been again falsely maligned and insulted he has no choice but to seek the Presidency all over again, and it's once again the Democrats fault that he must do so.
Originally Posted by pussycat
They've been giving the cold shoulder ever since the little details that have been coming out that shows there was planning for 1/6. To me, it reminded me of 9/11. When that happened, I was stunned and shocked. It didn't hit me that it was a planned attack at the time. But the facts were there (kinda in line with your CIA thread but that is another story which is a little drawn out for me at the moment to give how related.) There is no question 9/11 was an attack. And over this last year, enough has come out that there is more than just a passing relationship with details that have been brought to light.
With the 2000 election, I didn't give a hoot who won. It was a long standing issue that FL had problems with the way it collected and counted ballots. *My* frame of mind was "Fine! You knew you had a problem. Didn't do anything about it. Just pick someone THAN make sure it never happens again." That was their wakeup call. And if I remember, Gore did concede first. What happened after that fact, don't remember. I'm sure those around him wanted to retract and do the court thing. As I said, I don't really care who won as long as they fixed the problem. That was Bush election fair and square.
2016, claims can be made one way or another. I don't remember any investigations challenging trump as the winner. I guess you can say all elections have outside influence on the way people vote. And there was a two fold one for 2016. Before I go on, I will say I would of liked anyone else besides the two canidates there. Comeys investigate/don't investigate hillary actions helped cast a shadow. And the russians certainly were active in trying to throw the election from there position by being the conduit for emails and such from hillary. As I said, I didn't like either canidate. And this "illegitimate president" thing didn't start there...does "just one term" ring a bell with Obama? MANY republicans ranted the illegitimate president with him. Birth certificate, et al. So, throw that out. From my pov I haven't heard the chant fervently as the right likes to throw out mantra after mantra.
*MY* opinion is that trump got the election. Regardless how you feel about the Electoral College. If people had a problem with that, they should have changed the rules before the election (as I stated with FL...enough time has passed since Lincoln won in the same manner to fix it.)
With the Mueller investigation, it summoned up that though russia was there with dirt for trump, he was too stupid to act upon it. So much for the art of the deal. But there was definitely proof, and admittion by trump and his people, that he actively communicated with russian sources.
So, there was legs for an impeachment. I have to be frank, I never realized impeachements can have a low threshold of events that can bring them about (come on, a BJ in the whitehouse? But that is enough for one so okay.) So anything related with a communist country (remember, he made overatures to russia and vice versa i'm sure) definitely would be impeachment material.
So, with what has so far come to light, if the right who are being blamed as being a part of 1/6 would just be open, this stuff could be squared away in a heartbeat. But them stonewalling every corner definitely gives an imporprity (sp) of something happening.
Occams Razor is very well showing things. Unfortunately a few people in the media are part of this and they definitely put their spin on it. Reason why I won't watch Fox News because of the fall out of the "Individual 1" identity being revealed by a Judges court order. Trumps lawyer tried to get the judge to only reveal trump since there was another person whose identity was unknown for paying off another person. Guess what? Sean Hannity was guilty of doing same and exposed all the while on Fox defending trump.
No Go for Fox with me.
With over 60 cases in court showing that 2020 election fair, or just as fair as 2000 and 2016 election, it is the previous potus who takes the brunt of the blame for the fervent in this country today. I don't see any other way around that.
