P411: Yea or Nay?

I'm pretty new to the hobby, and have noticed the popularity of P411. It sounds like a great idea, and it seems like a lot of providers swear by it. I'd like a little more info on P411, from both hobbyists and providers. Hopefully I can get some answers to these questions (numbered for your convenience).

1. Is joining P411 worth the cost? What if I only hobby 2-3 times a year?
2. Does it make verification that much easier?

3. How much information does P411's verification require?
This makes me particularly nervous because of this blog post: http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2...g-in-the-milk/
Granted, it's all word-of-mouth, but still.

4. How much of the information retained by P411 is passed along to providers?

5. Has there been anything suspicious about P411 in the past? (i.e., exposing hobbyist's/provider's personal info, LE connections?) Does anyone here have a horror story?

6. If I were able to see all the "hidden for members only" girls, would I be shocked by all the new options or mostly just see girls I can find here or on BP?

7. Where is P411 based? Hopefully outside the US.

8. If their information were compromised, what would be the fallout for us?

9. How good are those advertised P411 discounts?

If there's any other info you think I should be aware of, please chime in. Thanks!

I've been a member of P411 for nearly 3 years. My $0.02 worth:

1. Is joining P411 worth the cost? What if I only hobby 2-3 times a year?

Cost is $129 per year. That is 1 typical hh session. If you do only two 1 hour sessions per year, it will increase your costs by about 25%. Most people would readily pay 25% more for better service. This is not poor man's hobby. If you can't afford $129 over and above $500, you might want to take up chess.

2. Does it make verification that much easier?

Abso-fucking-lutely YES. Maybe not SO much as a beginner, but by the time you have 2 or more OKs under your belt, your good to go.

3. How much information does P411's verification require?

I'm not sure because I did not go through their procedure. I saw two different providers who were on P411, and used them as references to be approved. This automatically started me out with 2 OKs. However, I HEAR that they verify your employment and other personal info.


This makes me particularly nervous because of this blog post: http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2...g-in-the-milk/
Granted, it's all word-of-mouth, but still.

OK.....This is a bunch of crap. There is this lady out there who has a vendetta going against Gina....and just can't let this go. However, there is enough truth in what she is saying to make it seem plausible.

Newsflash: THIS SHIT IS ILLEGAL. And so LE is going to try to infiltrate any business involved.....including P411. I said P411, was worth it......but NOTHING is infallible. If you can't stand the potential heat, get outta the frickin' kitchen.

I have met the lady who was involved in the Denver bust that was alluded to in the link. I still correspond with her on about a monthly basis.....although I haven't seen her professionally since. She fucked up and gave an OK to someone who she shouldn't have.....against the rules. As a result, the cops were able to use P411 to set up a bunch of other girls. There are some things in place now to minimize this. And to my knowledge, this technique has not been used against clients. BUT.......you should ALWAYS be aware and have other ways to verify a NEW lady is legit.

I'll say it again: P411 is GREAT BUT NOT FOOLPROOF. It IS the best tool I've been able to find.

4. How much of the information retained by P411 is passed along to providers?

NONE.

5. Has there been anything suspicious about P411 in the past? (i.e., exposing hobbyist's/provider's personal info, LE connections?) Does anyone here have a horror story?

Not that I'm aware of. However, I strongly suspect that if you killed a hooker, Gina and every other provider on P411 would spill their guts about you to the cops. And rightly so.

6. If I were able to see all the "hidden for members only" girls, would I be shocked by all the new options or mostly just see girls I can find here or on BP?

I'm in North Platte. Between Denver and Omaha, I have well over 400 ladies to choose from. I'll NEVER do that much fucking in my life. Hell, I don't even LOOK at backpage anymore. And, when I've travelled to Pittsburgh, OK city, Wichita, KC.......It's like I have this instant letter of recommendation. I can get laid anywhere in the US and Canada within half an hour of getting horny. Except....dammit....North Platte.

7. Where is P411 based? Hopefully outside the US.

Canada. Prostitution is mostly legal there.

8. If their information were compromised, what would be the fallout for us?

I'm told that information is destroyed after use. Probably true. In which case nothing bad to worry about. Assuming you are using a hobby phone and keeping your hobby life separate from real life. You DO have a hobby phone, don't you????

9. How good are those advertised P411 discounts?

As much as 50 for some ladies, down to nothing for others.

If there's any other info you think I should be aware of, please chime in. Thanks! Originally Posted by ThisIsHappening24

Look, if you are only gonna see the same lady 2-3 times a year, P411 is a waste. If you want variety, it's the best, safest, BUT NOT FOOLPROOF resource I've found.

THIS ANSWER IS WORTH EXACTLY WHAT YOU PAID FOR IT.

My experience shadows Grits. If you travel it is safer and convenient. I still look for reviews on eccie or ter before I call.

I'm on my second year of P411 membership. I think I have 6 or 7 okays on it. Even with 2 or 3 okays, I contacted providers locally, traveling providers, and providers in cities that I'm traveling too, and verification was quick and easy without providing additional information. I cannot guarantee it will be the same for you, but that's my only experience with it. Sometimes I want to see a traveling girl on a whim. I think it helps. Sometimes I'm in another city on business, and it makes it easy.

I also like the advanced search feature, as I can narrow down ladies and focus on a age, price range, hair color or other criteria that I want. I also like the "menu" listing which it helps me see quickly if a particular provider is MSOG, for instance.

Like any topic, if you search P411 on the national ECCIE forum, you will find mixed reports and some allegations, but those are usually outweighed by a faithful following.

The only time my P411 did not make any difference was with a local provider who said she was only seeing old friends, or would only see new guys with "several, recent local references." I said, okay, and moved on.

My .02.

P411 is well worth it. Have two verified providers refer you (that you have seen) and I believe you get the first 6 months free.
You will find though if you only have 1 or 2 okays the ladies will required further screening.
If your okay's are more than 6 months old the provider will usually require more screening.
If the area is having a lot of LE activity most will require more screening.

Like Grits said nothing is foolproof, P411 as been infiltrated by LE on more than one occasion, Gina does her best to take care of it and make everyone aware ASAP.
Gents and Ladies both have gotten arrested and handed over their info to LE to use so the could try to get out of their charges. It happens.
Also like grits said it is the best protection we have at this time and the most trusted.

I have used P411 for 4+ years and have ~40 okays, when I began it was 100% my preferred method. Convenient, and easy verification on both ends of the transaction. I did take about 18 months off the hobby for a major heart surgery and it was the first place I turned to whe I was ready to get back in. Lately (past 6 months) it seems like the providers are much less reliable in responding to appt. requests. Frequently, I don't hear a thing in response. I could deal with a provider saying..."no I don't have availability" or even, "I don't want to see you", but to hear nothing like my request went into a black hole makes me crazy. I'm not sure I will renew if this is how things will be. There is a means to report a non-responsive provider to P411, but I'm not playing that game.

One other thought, although login credentials cannot be immediately tide to a specific person, a few aspects could be circumstantially tied to a person. It probably wouldn't take a genius to eliminate reasonable doubt. Although, as has been said, nothing is perfect, but P411 is vastly more secure than BP or SipSap.

Yeah......I don't always get a response from an appointment request, either.

Here's the approach that I've found garners a 95% return rate:

1) Read her ads and determine her prefered means of initial contact. Simple, but hard to do this when the little head is screaming for attention. If she prefers email or text she'll say so. If she just gives a phone number, call or text.

Regardless of HOW you contact her, say:

Hi, my name is <your name>
I would be interested in an appointment at (time, date) for (length of time)
If you are available, I will respond with a formal appointment request through P411.

Works every time....IF shes available.

+100! Especially useful for those who travel like me. I believe as Y mentioned, if you get 2 referrals of p411 providers, you'll get 6 months free... It's what I did last year. P411 emails to providers are sometimes routed to spam folders of certain email services so as grits suggested, contacting them on another site or vial text/email and then following up with a p411 pm works most of the time.

Boy you ask a lotta questions but they were mostly quite valid.have to hand it to Grits,he tells it like it is. Great, colorful answers and all true as far as I know. Now if you do join be aware that you still need to research these girls.Don't assume just because their p411 providers you'll have a great time.Check reviews and if your still not sure post something and ask if one us has some info. And be sure to write reviews if your going to ask for help .Sharing info and not just asking for it goes a long way so I've learned.

I do like P411 as the layout is nice. I especially like that it gives a place the providers can list what they enjoy in their private sex lives. Not all fill it out, but it is nice to know that if you DFK ( Deep French Kissing, and they have pop up menus for what the letters stand for when you roll the mouse over them. ) Makes it a lot easier to know if the one or two things you really enjoy the provider enjoys as well. Also, they have a place to link to review. Granted they often have links to their best reviews, but it makes searching for them easier.

I travel a lot. Some areas have few P411 providers. Manhattan Kansas only has one and Topeka has a few more but $300 plus with too much upsell. When I travel through those areas I try to set up dates before I leave and check reviews. Unfortunately I have to rely on SipSap or BP. I also limit my self to over 35yo. Any suggestions for those towns would be appreciated.

So this thread pretty much reads like an advertisement for P411, probably gonna treat myself to a subscription.

Much thanks for the info, especially from Grits!

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