Let's continue this here.
Go!
- grean
- 06-14-2017, 10:12 AM
- rexdutchman
- 06-14-2017, 12:16 PM
Yes to both, if you don't understand why you will ever get it
- grean
- 06-14-2017, 01:05 PM
I understand that infringing on a enumerated right of the constitution is a big deal.
Because a number of people have had their rights revoked due to a conviction and they are no longer allowed to have fire arms, requiring an ID to purchase one, while a slight infringement, is needed.
Not to mention the market price for a firearm makes cost of obtaining an ID moot. If you can afford to exercise your right to bear arms, you can afford an ID.
On the other hand Voting Fraud is so ridiculously rare that the cost Texas has incurred trying to defend its voter ID laws has dwarfed the cost of investigating and prosecuting all of the individual cases of voter fraud.
They are a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.
In the trump impeachment thread, examples of mass voter fraud were given in the 1950s and from the 18th century. Even in this election, as much as it pains me to believe, Trump fucking won fair and square. The only one saying anything about voter fraud is the dumb fuck that won....Every other serious person agrees no mass fraud occurred.
Again voting isn't a privilege. It is a constitutional right. Absent any overwhelming need to curb illegal voting we shouldn't infringe upon that right.
Because a number of people have had their rights revoked due to a conviction and they are no longer allowed to have fire arms, requiring an ID to purchase one, while a slight infringement, is needed.
Not to mention the market price for a firearm makes cost of obtaining an ID moot. If you can afford to exercise your right to bear arms, you can afford an ID.
On the other hand Voting Fraud is so ridiculously rare that the cost Texas has incurred trying to defend its voter ID laws has dwarfed the cost of investigating and prosecuting all of the individual cases of voter fraud.
They are a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.
In the trump impeachment thread, examples of mass voter fraud were given in the 1950s and from the 18th century. Even in this election, as much as it pains me to believe, Trump fucking won fair and square. The only one saying anything about voter fraud is the dumb fuck that won....Every other serious person agrees no mass fraud occurred.
Again voting isn't a privilege. It is a constitutional right. Absent any overwhelming need to curb illegal voting we shouldn't infringe upon that right.
- texassapper
- 06-14-2017, 02:06 PM
No reason not to have an ID for both... And while it may be an inconvenience to prove who you are to vote, the threat of fraud disenfranchises me. If it happens even one time, then I get my rights taken from me. So it's simpler just to produce an ID. I defy anyone to provide a reason for not having an ID of some sort.
- goodolboy
- 06-14-2017, 05:49 PM
("Not to mention the market price for a firearm makes cost of obtaining an ID moot. If you can afford to exercise your right to bear arms, you can afford an ID.")
One could argue that if you have the ability to travel and show ID to get signed up to receive taxpayer funded services and benefits, you also have the ability to pick up a free voter ID. The only legitimate reason to not require voter ID is to facilitate voter fraud. For the most part I would also do away with mail in ballots, another source of voter fraud.
One could argue that if you have the ability to travel and show ID to get signed up to receive taxpayer funded services and benefits, you also have the ability to pick up a free voter ID. The only legitimate reason to not require voter ID is to facilitate voter fraud. For the most part I would also do away with mail in ballots, another source of voter fraud.
- billw1032
- 06-14-2017, 10:19 PM
It seems that it's OK to require ID for some constitutional rights and not OK to require ID for other constitutional rights. With apologies to George Orwell, all rights are equal but some rights are more equal than others.
- corona
- 06-15-2017, 12:15 PM
I'm of the opinion whatever restrictions are placed on firearm ownership (a constitutional right) should equally be placed on voting rights (a constitutional right).
- grean
- 06-15-2017, 12:45 PM
I'm of the opinion whatever restrictions are placed on firearm ownership (a constitutional right) should equally be placed on voting rights (a constitutional right). Originally Posted by coronaWell, you can own more than one gun. Why not vote more than once as well??
Totally joking just in case someone doesn't get that....
- texassapper
- 06-15-2017, 12:53 PM
- goodolboy
- 06-15-2017, 12:56 PM
Well, you can own more than one gun. Why not vote more than once as well??
Totally joking just in case someone doesn't get that.... Originally Posted by grean
Some do just that, and then vote for others also. https://youtu.be/YAg3zDHn7pI?t=52s
- Crock
- 06-15-2017, 01:38 PM
For the most part I would also do away with mail in ballots, another source of voter fraud. Originally Posted by goodolboyAs someone who spent many elections overseas while serving in the Armed Forces, I must respectfully disagree with this sentiment. I think Texas does it right, and limits absentee/mail-in ballots to certain situations.
- goodolboy
- 06-15-2017, 05:44 PM
As someone who spent many elections overseas while serving in the Armed Forces, I must respectfully disagree with this sentiment. I think Texas does it right, and limits absentee/mail-in ballots to certain situations. Originally Posted by CrockThat's why I said "for the most part" I think people with a legitimate reason to vote by mail should be able to continue. Our folks in the service are a good example. But I do believe face to face voting should be the bulk of the voting, and a authorized picture ID should be mandatory to vote.