And now we know which were the important baloons!

OK, so the first really big balloon was not important enough to bring disown untill it had traversed the most important military bases in Hawaii, Alaska and the American Heartland . . . then we shot it down over water to keep everyone safe.

Next, we determined that three other, smaller balloons were so dangerous that we shot them down ASAP over just wherever they were.

Yesterday, President Biden reassured all Americans that the last thee were not spy balloons and posed no security threat . . .but we shot them down anyway. One has turned out to be from some club in Indiana that got away.

I sleeep better at night kn owing our government is keeping us safe.

The President is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't....not just Biden, but most every President in some manner. At least one baloon shot down appears to have been pretty innocuous:
https://nypost.com/2023/02/17/gop-mo...y-balloon/amp/

The President is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't....not just Biden, but most every President in some manner. At least one baloon shot down appears to have been pretty innocuous:
https://nypost.com/2023/02/17/gop-mo...y-balloon/amp/ Originally Posted by reddog1951

Biden does not fall into the “damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t” category.

He is an old, senile, stupid inept, lying, corrupt piece of shit.

The reason he let that that 2 ton balloon behemoth float all the way across our Country is because he is in Xi’s back pocket. They got the intel they wanted, the Biden crime syndicate got the cash.

I agree with Jackie's description of our current President, but need to point out that the same descriptors apply to his predecessor...perhaps more so.

Time for both parties to clean up their acts and present a better slate.

The President is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't....not just Biden, but most every President in some manner. At least one baloon shot down appears to have been pretty innocuous:
https://nypost.com/2023/02/17/gop-mo...y-balloon/amp/ Originally Posted by reddog1951

yeah he is damned. he's a damned idiot at best or a damn traitor considering that reports now state the US tracked the balloon from the beginning and could have acted before it ever reached the US.


reports now state the balloon likely got blown off course and was intended to go over Guam however some traces of the path show it did go over Guam and Hawaii before moving north toward Alaska and then the US mainland. experts claim the balloon does have steering capabilities so while the wind currents can vary unexpectedly i think it went on a path exactly as it was supposed to.


meaning, Biden did nothing at all about it until after it had gone on its full path. what other explanation is there except one that's even worse, that the Intel agencies and/or Military intentionally did not inform the Commander In Chief until it was spotted by civilians over Montana?





US tracked Chinese balloon from launch, may have accidentally drifted: Official

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/us-watched...185200455.html


ALEXANDRA HUTZLER
Wed, February 15, 2023 at 2:38 PM CST·5 min read


U.S. intelligence agencies tracked the Chinese spy balloon from its launch in China and watched as it may have been inadvertently blown into U.S. airspace, a U.S. official has confirmed to ABC News.


This latest revelation differs significantly from the previous narrative related by the White House and U.S. military officials over recent days, which has changed repeatedly since the balloon's existence became public when it was spotted over Montana on Feb. 1.


On Wednesday, the State Department referred questions on the balloon's intended path and when it was first tracked to the Pentagon, which referred questions to the National Security Council (NSC) at the White House.


But State Department spokesperson Ned Price said that whether the aircraft was blown off course had no impact on the U.S. assessment that the incursion was a violation of U.S. sovereignty.


"In some ways it doesn't matter, and I'm not going to opine on what the PRC (People's Republic of China) may or may not have intended, but in key ways it doesn't matter. It's completely immaterial. It's immaterial because this was a high-altitude surveillance balloon that did violate our airspace. It did violate international law," he said.


The NSC declined to comment on whether the U.S. was tracking the Chinese balloon since it was launched.


But a U.S. official said that just because the U.S. may have been able to detect when the balloon left a certain point did not mean that the U.S. knew that it would ultimately end up over the United States.


"A range of factors determine the balloon's trajectory, and it was not clear where it would be going," the official said.


The Washington Post was the first to report that the balloon may have been diverted from its original route and that the resulting incident and tensions with China might have been due, in part, to a mistake. It was said the balloon was on course to fly toward the U.S. territory of Guam when it took an unexpected turn north due to strong winds.


U.S. officials have said the intent of the balloon was for surveillance -- not meteorological research as Beijing claimed. A State Department official said last week that the balloon had equipment "clearly for intelligence surveillance," including antennas "likely capable of collecting and geo-locating communications."


Over its weeklong journey over the U.S., the balloon first entered airspace over Alaska's Aleutian Islands on Jan. 28 then traversed into Canada's airspace before reentering U.S. airspace heading east. It was shot down in waters off the coast of South Carolina on Feb. 4.


President Joe Biden said he ordered the balloon be shot down when he was informed of its presence over Montana, but that his military advisers said it was too dangerous to conduct over land.

so we tracked it before it approached Guam then Hawaii then as it went north for several days then over Alaska then into Canada and only when it was already over Montana Biden is informed?? wtf!


Chinese spy balloon sightings (ABC News Illustration / Google Earth)


MORE: A 'leading explanation' is 3 downed objects were commercial, benign balloons, White House says


Senators who were briefed on the Chinese spy balloon said they don't buy claims from U.S. officials that the balloon may have inadvertently drifted over the United States.


"I do not believe that it veered," said Intelligence Committee Vice Chair Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican. "I've heard that. That's surely a Chinese talking point and maybe some people are saying that now in the administration because they don't want to heightened tensions further."


The path the balloon took, Rubio argued, was too strategic to be accidental.


"You don't inadvertently veer coincidentally over some of the most sensitive U.S. facilities right in the middle of the country, that's just not a coincidental path," Rubio told ABC News' Allison Pecorin.


Sen. Jon Tester, a Montana Democrat, who has been tasked by Democratic leadership to lead an investigation into why U.S. officials didn't know more sooner, similarly scoffed at claims that the balloon may have inadvertently drifted over the U.S. mainland.


"I never believe anything is inadvertent when it comes to the communist party of China," Tester said.


The incident added tension to the fraught U.S.-China relationship, with Secretary of State Antony Blinken canceling a planned trip to Beijing. Blinken and other U.S. officials called the balloon a "clear violation" of international law.


China has now accused the U.S. of flying several balloons into its airspace since the spring of last year, which White House spokesperson John Kirby flatly denied during an appearance Tuesday on ABC's "Good Morning America."


"We do not deploy surveillance balloons over China," Kirby said, though he declined to answer a follow-up question on whether the U.S. spies on China.


The Pentagon said earlier this month the balloon didn't pose a physical threat, and that once it was detected the U.S. took steps to protect against foreign intelligence collection.


Crews have been working since the Feb. 4 take down to collect debris. A significant portion of the balloon's reconnaissance section was recovered on Monday, a U.S. official confirmed to ABC News. One official said the payload is 30-feet long.


"Crews have been able to recover significant debris from the site, including all of the priority sensor and electronics pieces identified as well as large sections of the structure," Northcom said in a statement.



PHOTO: The suspected Chinese spy balloon drifts to the ocean after being shot down off the coast in Surfside Beach, S.C., Feb. 4, 2023. (Randall Hill/Reuters)


MORE: Significant portion of Chinese balloon spy equipment recovered, US official says


All senators received a classified briefing on Tuesday about the spy balloon and three other unidentified objects shot down over the weekend over Alaska, Canada and Lake Huron. The intelligence community is considering as a "leading explanation" that those objects were for commercial or benign use, Kirby told reporters Tuesday.


ABC News' Ben Gittleson, Shannon Crawford, Luis Martinez and Allison Pecorin contributed to this report.

US tracked Chinese balloon from launch, may have accidentally drifted: Official originally appeared on abcnews.go.com

Nevermind that China evidently floated balloons over the US during Trump's administration..maybe detected...maybe not...maybe Trump informed...maybe not because advisors feared his response. Again, damned if you do damned if you don't. Too many arm chair quarterbacks who've never been tackled.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarador...ite-house/amp/

Nevermind that China evidently floated balloons over the US during Trump's administration..maybe detected...maybe not...maybe Trump informed...maybe not because advisors feared his response. Again, damned if you do damned if you don't. Too many arm chair quarterbacks who've never been tackled.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarador...ite-house/amp/ Originally Posted by reddog1951

... "Don't Stop --- BELIVEIN'!"

#### Salty

Nevermind that China evidently floated balloons over the US during Trump's administration..maybe detected...maybe not...maybe Trump informed...maybe not because advisors feared his response. Again, damned if you do damned if you don't. Too many arm chair quarterbacks who've never been tackled.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarador...ite-house/amp/ Originally Posted by reddog1951

nope. they claim at the time there wasn't clear intel that they were Chinese made and were spy devices.



"The Pentagon withheld information about the possible balloons from the Trump White House because it had limited information about them and was unsure of their nature, the former officials reportedly said."


these so-called prior incidents if they even happened are irrelevant to the current issue and nothing more than Biden desperately looking for anything to deflect from the facts coming out if true show this spy balloon was known to the US before it approached Guam and allowed to travel for nearly a week and approach and enter US airspace.


the Pentagon and Biden own this blunder that easily could have been prevented.

Biden does not fall into the “damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t” category.

He is an old, senile, stupid inept, lying, corrupt piece of shit.

The reason he let that that 2 ton balloon behemoth float all the way across our Country is because he is in Xi’s back pocket. They got the intel they wanted, the Biden crime syndicate got the cash. Originally Posted by Jackie S

You are hereby found guilty on the charge of breaking the internets. Go to jail. Directly to jail Do not pass go!

The USAF is calibrating the radar to detect slow moving objects. Just sayin'.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...llance-balloon






"Domain awareness gap."

...
I sleeep better at night kn owing our government is keeping us safe. Originally Posted by ICU 812

All to make the uptight righties happy.

Man. Just can't stop them.

Just shot it down

It is my belief that President Biden is not actually in-the-loop when it comes to these decisions. I am thinking that there are folks within his staff and outsiders, that have to come to a consensus on these things, perhaps there is some jockeying for power too.

Furthermore, I believe that if some local journalist in Montana had not gotten a visual and imagery on the first balloon. .and published them, "they" would have just let it go (away).

The shoot-down of the smaller baloons is evidence that those in effective control of the country have little experience or interest in geopolitics. /their focus on social equity of outcome, the Green New Deal and general 'Wokeness" demonstrate that.

Icy, if your first statement is true, than Biden staff is a helluvalot more closed mouth than donnys was.

And with only one of the floaty objects found, it definitely goes against the naysayers claiming it should have been downed sooner. If that happened, we'd never found it. *I* still am of the opinion we got alot out of it the way things turned out.

And to use your venacular, it seems the Gammons rage is blocking their cognitive processes.