You couldn’t pay me to be with you!

Hopefully no one has heard those words from someone they were attracted to. One thing this hobby does is makes men feel desirable -even if it’s faked or only lasts for an hour. It’s actually pretty pathetic that some men do have to pay someone to be with them. Then there are men (like me) who some women do actually find attractive but because I am “unavailable”, still won’t be with me -understandable. But when I send a message to a provider I find attractive and she refuses to see me because I don’t have the required references.. well that’s a big ol’ kick in the balls of a man’s ego. I am painfully reminded that it is about the money. Well of course it is. Why should I take it personally? She has never seen me, never met me, all she knows about me is what I post on EXCCIE.
But when I think a fat, harry, bald, ugly, viagra popping fart can bag a different provider every night (as long as he can afford it) and I’m getting shot down with, “I’m sorry Sweetie, you don’t have enough references”- something is wrong.

I don’t have references because AMPs don’t give them and I’m in the bowels of East Texas where the indies are few and far between. The ones I would see have GPS and the ones passing thru are either too busy getting nailed by the above mention gentleman or our schedules don’t line up or..... back to square 1 -no references.
I say all of this to say, I don’t get to Dallas often but if one of the lovely ladies here wants to PM me and get to know me so we can do some “screening” so that when I do slip away, that’s all done-that’d be good. I promise you I will be gentle- unless you don’t want me to be.
Since I don’t get to Dallas as often as I like, I don’t want my experience to be with the provider who has no standards and will take anyone. I know I’m contradicting myself but it’s hard to find a nice way to say “I don’t want the desperate provider no one else wants”. I’d love to find a ATF -a “go to” girl.

Kinda hard to have a ATF when you don't visit Dallas much .
There are ways to screen with out getting refences from you
Just saying .

Get a p411 account, then see a couple of providers who will see you for a session for having one, have those ladies give you an OK, and you are all set. Unlike Eccie,on p411, there are no agendas or trolls, just providers who you can have your pick of.

Yeah p411 is a good idea because unlike eccie you don’t have to read some people’s constant complaints in EVERY thread about dick cliques or non-existent trolls that haven’t been on this board in a long time.

That’s probably a good idea. I’ve considered a P411 account but the membership fee is a little off-putting since that makes my 1st encounter north of $400. I hate to seem cheap but I’d rather put that membership fee toward my visit instead of in signup for an account I will not use that often.

In addition to having an account making you be more recognizable as a hobbyist, not affiliate with LE, the membership fee pays for itself is several ways. Once you get some OKs under your belt, the time of having to look up a provider's info to give for a reference goes away as they are on the OKs. Also, when you fill out your profile, the ladies can look at it, you do not have to repeat yourself over and over to each different provider. There are even some ladies that offer a p411 discount, but not as many as in years past.

You see, unlike Eccie or any other like websites, you cannot just sign up for membership on P411, you have to either be invited by providers, not hobbyists, already on P411, which I was by several when I first signed up, or go through a stringent screening process they do, which requires personal info (not recommended).

I don’t have references because AMPs don’t give them Originally Posted by DunnJackNoff

I’ve considered a P411 account but the membership fee is a little off-putting since that makes my 1st encounter north of $400. Originally Posted by DunnJackNoff

unlike Eccie or any other like websites, you cannot just sign up for membership on P411, you have to either be invited by providers Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

I have a solution... maybe.

OH2.. sure, you can just sign up, but not really.. if you are not verified (like P411), you get little out of it. if you are verified, it works well, no need for P411 I think. see a lady who is on OH2, and have her verification for you a condition of seeing her. shouldn't be too difficult.. I don't think.

You see, unlike Eccie or any other like websites, you cannot just sign up for membership on P411, you have to either be invited by providers, not hobbyists, already on P411, which I was by several when I first signed up, or go through a stringent screening process they do, which requires personal info (not recommended). Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

So.. again... without the provider invitation (which I obviously don’t have), already have a P411 (don’t have), or stringent screening process requiring personal info (no thank you).. looks like P411 ain’t happened either.

I just made it a point to not see providers that require references. I've got Benjamin Franklin as my reference and he's done a great job for me so far. I've never lacked from having enough pussy.

PS. Let me tell you a little secret. There's plenty of providers that say they want references, but when Ben shows up, they'll be happy to see you with him as your only reference.

I suspect writing more reviews might help.

Funny how many want reference but posting on Erotic Monkey and List Crawler

EM will just steal info and post it !

Funny how many want reference but posting on Erotic Monkey and List Crawler Originally Posted by AmericanHardwood

Screening is just for safety i definitely wouldn't take it personally.
Each lady is entitled to screen in whatever way makes her feel most comfortable.
There are ways to screen without refs. Refs are actually sometimes unreliable. Plenty of ladies have newbie screening myself included!(:

Screening is just for safety i definitely wouldn't take it personally.
Each lady is entitled to screen in whatever way makes her feel most comfortable.
There are ways to screen without refs. Refs are actually sometimes unreliable. Plenty of ladies have newbie screening myself included!(: Originally Posted by AshleyKay of Dallas

+1

Just have to do some homework, more than in the past.

I would think finding a companion that doesn’t screen would be risky on both ends! A Benjamin won’t help you if your 6 feet under. It may help you if you’re behind bars, but why take that chance? Crazy world we live in now.

P-411 is Awesome! It always has been in my book.