P411 New Policy

Just wanted to know what you guys think about this..
I opened my P411 and they have a new policy now..It may have always been like this but I just got it..Gina is asking that you check everyones Id when you arrive at an outcall and when they arrive at your incall..If they refuse their profile will be terminated ..No Q asked also she has changed the ok policy now they have to send a request..She tells you and your friend how to cover parts if your ID like DL # and your address..Your name,your pic has to be shown if you refuse your fucking out of there ..You go Gurl..Gota love that Gina..So what do you guys think about showing us who you really are??Just askin..Dezirie

P.S. Dumb Hooker me I'm confused at your guys new policy as to where this goes so MODS do the dirty deed and move it to where ever you guys think it should go or wait for that RTM light do go off..Thanx..Hey can I get a sticky..Dezirie's Sexy thoughts..mmmm!!{Me thinking}

Hey D...the policy you mention about showing the ID is a policy a girl may voluntarily adopt. This 'recommendation' has been around a while. If a girl is going to require that, I suggest she say so up front before the appointment is agreed to. I got my p411 acct way before the idea of having those 4 digits have any 'meaning', so mine does not match anything. I think quite a few guys would balk at showing their ID. Gina does a great job, and I understand her concern, but this solution could backfire. But I just checked and the guy is not 'terminated' just suspended until the situation is resolved.

p411 has been a great tool for me, I hope it all sorts out.

you can cover any revealing info, if it bothers you, but unless p411 decides to produce membership cards or id of some sort, providers that are meeting a hobbyist for the first time should have some way of knowing it's who he says he is and not just anybody (friend,whatever, le) using someone elses handle. Otherwise why go through all the background checks on p411 to feel safe?

Not all, but most providers have at least pictures on p411 to somewhat verify who they are when you meet.

of course, you can put your picture on your profile and they wouldn't need to see your id. (obviously not going to happen)

How many alerts and posts about people using someone elses handle, setting up providers, hobbyists everything from being robbed, beaten up, arrested.


you could always suggest to gina to make up p411 id cards, maybe she sends an email you print out with your picture on , but they could make fakes.

I know I worry meeting a provider for the first time and try to pick ones that have been verified through p411, I can't imagine what it's like for a provider meeting a new hobbyist for the first time.

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you could always suggest to gina to make up p411 id cards, maybe she sends an email you print out with your picture on , but they could make fakes.

I know I worry meeting a provider for the first time and try to pick ones that have been verified through p411, I can't imagine what it's like for a provider meeting a new hobbyist for the first time.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you somewhat sms but as for a p411 card just sounds like more trouble I currently don't have an SO but there are plenty of guys on here that do and I can see it now when the SO goes through your wallet "Hey honey what is that prefferred 411 card in your wallet"

IJS

I have no problem showing my ID to very WELL ESTABLISHED, proven drama free providers who state up front that they require it and allow non p411 essential info to be covered. At the end of the day it ends up being just a picture of you showing your first name and day of birth. My biggest concern would be getting pulled over by LE on the way to an appointment and having to explain why my license is all whited out!

I have no problem showing my ID to very WELL ESTABLISHED, proven drama free providers who state up front that they require it and allow non p411 essential info to be covered. At the end of the day it ends up being just a picture of you showing your first name and day of birth. My biggest concern would be getting pulled over by LE on the way to an appointment and having to explain why my license is all whited out! Originally Posted by boredinsatx

Just take a picture of your state issued I.D. (color copy) and black out everything that the provider doesn't have to see... That way she can match up picture on I.D. With your face to verify as well as any other info (birth date and year) she needs to see... Just an idea since you mentioned "My biggest concern would be getting pulled over by LE on the way to an appointment and having to explain why my license is all whited out!"

Just take a picture of your state issued I.D. (color copy) and black out everything that the provider doesn't have to see... Originally Posted by XOXO Karla

That works for single guys, but the married guys would then potentially have to explain to the S.O. why they had such a 'blacked out' ID...

Sounds like someone is worried about his SO...

Here is what it says:

Checking Identification - Update 09.05.13 (reposted)
Your P411 Client Id is made up of small bits of "real" info that can be verified by the provider, by looking at a couple of pieces of identification carried in your wallet.

Example:
John-01-a-0000
"John" is a name showing on your driver's license.
"01" is the DAY of birth showing on your driver's license.
"0000" are the last four digits on something you carry in your wallet.

I often recommend that gentlemen temporarily cover the other private information with tape or whiteout, leaving only the photo, matching name, and DAY of birth (on driver's license) and last four digits (on something in wallet) for the provider to check. Of course, it's always a good idea to let the provider know you are going to cover the other information, in case her personal policy would not allow for this.

If you schedule an appointment via P411 and upon arrival refuse to show identification to confirm you are the true account holder, please understand that your provider may exercise her right to refuse to see you. Also keep in mind that your provider has an obligation to report this to P411. Depending on the circumstances, P411 may suspend the account under which the appointment was made until the situation is resolved.

We have a terrible problem with people "sharing" client ids, sometimes to book appointments and sometimes to rip the provider off, or worse. These situations are becoming more common, and can be easily prevented if the provider takes a moment to confirm that the person before her has identification to match the client id.
I strongly encourage the ladies to check identification to make sure it matches the client id, and we are seeing more and more ladies following through, so be prepared! If your client id doesn't currently match your identification as indicated above, please contact us and we can fix it.

Nowhere does p411 or Gina state this is required. If you get an ECCIE PM from me, and a P411 request and we exchange emails at StillLookingManwhore @yahoo.com do you really think someone else might show up?

Answer: Take a color copy of your DR. Then white out the copy. Leave only your picture, name and last four digit of your ID number. I have NEVER had a provider ask for my ID.

You might want to let P411 clients know if your going to have her check ID so guys can both be prepared or choose to meet with someone else.

In the near future, we plan to allow clients to have a badge that says they are Identification Check friendly, or not. Still figuring out the particulars.

Thanks for the update Gina.

PS... I'm in the group of gents that would refuse to show their ID. If the lady does not trust me or feel safe, I understand and I can easily walk away (no hurt feelings).

Ladies must also understand that real life identities are very important to some of us and do not trust anyone with that information.

I respect your anonymity, I simply ask that you respect mine.

Thanks for the update Gina.

PS... I'm in the group of gents that would refuse to show their ID. If the lady does not trust me or feel safe, I understand and I can easily walk away (no hurt feelings).

Ladies must also understand that real life identities are very important to some of us and do not trust anyone with that information.

I respect your anonymity, I simply ask that you respect mine. Originally Posted by JJ

Agree 100%

Only use p411 for first ok. My membership is up this month (2 years) guess I need to decide what to do.

I've had one P411 provider ask for my ID, and she stated ahead of time that she would! She called her " handler" to check the numbers etc! If she had not been hotter than 10 kinds of Hell, I wouldn't have gone through with the indignity! Turns out the session was pretty lack luster - she's no longer a P411 member!

Love P411 but carry a P411 id? Let me put that in my wallet next to my marriage license. Sharing a P411 Id may be a problem for some, but there must be a better way for us to be friends anomalously and safe too. I've never had a problem with a p411appointment, don't share my P411 login and play safe. Am I the exception or the rule? There will always be a few who take advantage and play outside the rules. Perhaps a P411 accessible provider section to post warnings and precautions on those clients who are suspicious or push the boundries of proper behavior.

I think quite a few guys would balk at showing their ID. Gina does a great job, and I understand her concern, but this solution could backfire. Originally Posted by FootLong

No shit this could backfire. The second that it's put out there that a certain provider is wanting to see ID.....no one (who doesn't want to show ID) will want to go see her. I certainly won't. I'm like footlong, my 4 digit number has nothing to do with something on my ID anyways, rather the last 4 of an old phone number when I wasn't living in San Antonio. How will you ID me now??? You see my ID, I still can't have my appointment b/c the 4 digits don't match and now my true identity is out there. Then factor I can lose my P411, Nice going.

Then if this lady waits for you to walk through that door to tell you that she wants to see ID, that becomes a bigger issue. Who knows what a guy can be walking into. If there is a pimp/set up happening, now there is that possibility that danger can follow you home. I don't even have to get my ass kicked right then and there. I show my ID, ladies relays info to the pimp and now I have someone at my property at 4am. If you follow me home, now you know what car I drive. I can go on if you'd like.

I know Gina works hard and does everything to help and I appreciate everything she does but.........having a gent lose his privileges just because he does not want to reveal his ID is beyond idiotic. It's also an insult to what sites like ECCIE and P411 are 'suppose' to be about...DISCRETION and safety.

You might as well change the format from the "Name- # -Letter- 4 digit number" format to showing your true first&last name along with your birthday, social security number, blood type, and how you take your coffee.

At the end of the day, I've NEVER had any issue when it comes to setting up a date and the provider knowing that MoneyManMatt is coming to their door. I communicate via PM from both ECCIE and P411, have plenty of reviews/OKs and have that easy going personality that will ease any tensions when I walk thru that door.

Let's not have a few bad apples fuck it up for everyone.

I've had p411 for years never had a provider ask for ID. When I meet one I'm asking for hers too, if she balks I walk, hell I'm walking anyway who am I kidding. Privacy and anonymity are crucial, not sure why Gina would assume it wouldn't be important to her paying clientele but that's a mistake.