Dems in Total Disarray As They Fumble Miserably Against IRS Whistleblowers

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Dems in Total Disarray As They Fumble Miserably Against IRS Whistleblowers

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...issed-n2625947


Spencer wrote about the opening remarks from “Mr. X,” an unnamed IRS whistleblower whose identity has finally been revealed. It’s 13-year IRS veteran Joseph Ziegler, a gay Democrat, who, along with Special Agent Gary Shapley, has alleged improper interference from the Biden administration regarding IRS investigations into Hunter Biden. Shapley’s allegations have been public for weeks, even placing Attorney General Merrick Garland in the crosshairs for lying to Congress.

bahahhaa nothing fucks up the liberal rhetoric like a gay democrat whistleblower against .. them!


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To recap some of the story, outgoing Attorney General William Barr referred the matter to David Weiss, the Delaware US Attorney, who last year tried to bring charges against the son of the president but was denied. Weiss also requested special counsel status and, yet again, was blocked. That goes against what Biden AG Merrick Garland said about Weiss having every legal remedy at his disposal. But what’s more provocative is that if Weiss did apply for special status, the paper trail would end with Garland.



Wall Street Journal columnist Kimberley Strassel’s column earlier this month highlighted the bizarre take Garland took with Weiss, claiming he has more authority than a special counsel and could file anywhere. That’s not protocol.


“As Sol Wisenberg, a former associate and deputy independent counsel, explained on Twitter, to file elsewhere, Mr. Weiss would ‘need some kind of letter from Garland (or an [associate attorney general]) naming Weiss as a special or poo-bah counsel authorized to file charges in the relevant district,’” Strassel wrote.


“He emphasizes that ‘Garland cannot give that authority verbally,’ there needs to be a ‘written delegation.’ So where is it?” she asked.


That veers into possible impeachment territory for Garland, but back to Ziegler’s opening remarks. As Spencer put it, “hoo boy”: I have witnessed the corrosion of ethical standards and the abuse of power that threaten our nation. It is within this context that I have chosen to shed light on these actions and expose those responsible. I recognize that while I was present at the start of this investigation and was closely involved with the investigation for roughly five years – that I'm just a part of the story. Others – including my colleague and supervisor Gary Shapley who is here with me today – have their own views and understandings of what took place during this investigation.


Mr. Weiss stated that he had been granted "ultimate authority" over this matter but then later stated in the same letter that his "charging authority" is geographically "limited" and that he would need to ask President Biden appointed U.S. Attorney's[sic] to "partner" with him in charging the case. We know that as recently in March of 2023, even the Department of Justice-Tax Division attorney assigned to the case questioned Mr. Weiss's authority and didn't know where Mr. Weiss was going to charge the case.


My own agency retaliated against me and threatened me with criminal conduct in response to an internal email I sent to IRS leadership, even after years of essentially being left on an island when it came to this investigation. It is not my desire to become a martyr for this case — and I fear effectively ending my career. I did not ask to be in this position, nor did I want to be...
At the end of the day, I worked on a complex criminal tax investigation over the last 5 years and the investigative process is 999% done and we were in the process of bringing the case to indictment. Since October of 2022, the Delaware AUSAs and DOJ-Tax had effectively stopped communicating with me and my team has ultimately been removed from the investigative team.


I had recently heard an elected official say that I must be more credible, because I am a gay democrat married to a man. I'm no more credible than this man sitting next to me due to my sexual orientation or my political beliefs. I was raised and have always strived to do what is right. I have heard from some, that I am a trator [sic] to the democratic party and that I am causing more division in our society. I implore you, that if you were put in my position with the facts as I have stated them, that you would be doing the exact same thing – regardless of your political party affiliation. I hope that I am an example to other LGBTQ people out there, who are questioning doing the right thing at a potential cost to themselves and others. We should ALWAYS do the right thing, no matter how painful the process might be. I contemplated scenarios that would have been highly regrettable. But I did what was right and I am sitting in front of you here today.


Hunter Biden’s lawyer accused Shapley of leaking sensitive information to the press. This story never went anywhere because it’s demonstrably false. Shapley obtained all his information on Hunter through legal search warrants and never spoke to reporters from the Washington Post.


The cross-examination has been unsuccessful because the two men were credible and highlighted potential felonies. They can’t be discredited, and the Democrats’ line of questioning, like this from Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL), fell apart like warm bread – it was largely irrelevant. Democrats appeared to have misread or confused the timelines concerning this investigation, and it’s hard to cast these two men as not being solid with their facts when they were in the room when some of the alleged malfeasance was occurring.


Jonathan Turley, a George Washington University Law School professor, observed in a lengthy Twitter thread that the Democrats were a holy mess against the whistleblowers, incapable of debunking or marginalizing any of the allegations brought forward. All they had was repeated attempts to change the subject, with Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) pressing Mr. Shapley about whether he knows who leaked details of this investigation to the press:

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RASKIN: "It seems to me this meeting...which you've described as a red line, is just a misunderstanding!" IRS WHISTLEBLOWER SHAPLEY: "That's not supported by the facts." RASKIN: "Really? Which facts is that not supported by?!" IRS WHISTLEBLOWER SHAPLEY: "Uh, his own admissions..."


So far, the Democrats have largely avoided any specific questions on the specific allegations. However, the "look squirrel, squirrel" tactic is hard to maintain as a distraction. That is particularly when you have two respected experts saying "felony, felony."


The details on from these witnesses is crushing efforts to avoid dealing with the uncharged felonies. Indeed, their eye for details has been on display. These are the green-eye-shade experts who live on facts. Indeed, Krishnamoorthi hammered Shapley on a statement as he tried to object. When he was allowed to speak, he explained that he never made the statement and that Krishnamoorthi was confusing the transcripts.


The Democrats are usually well prepared and orchestrated in these hearings. That is not the case today. The continual effort to change the subject and to avoid the specific allegations is obvious. It is about a subtle as bringing in a seal bouncing a ball in hearing room.


This is getting a bit weird. Rep. Khanna is pressing Shapley on whether he respects criminal tax prosecutors or Weiss more. Shapley is trying to explain that the criminal tax attorneys are advisory in the process...
Rep, Khanna just asked Shapley if he knows of any of this colleagues who spoke to the media. It is reminiscent of when Democrats demanded that reporters reveal their sources


Rep. Khanna continued to press Shapley if he was a source for the media or knew anyone who was. That was more important than addressing allegations of special treatment given the son of the President in a criminal investigation.

Two credible and respected federal agents have alleged interference in their work by a politicized Department of Justice run by Joe Biden to protect his son from prosecution on tax matters. The attorney general seems caught up in this circus, seemingly willing to lie to Congress about his prosecuting attorneys’ legal power in this investigation. The overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing cannot be ignored or wiped away through the usual media-DOJ pipelines that have been used to disseminate the Justice Department’s spin on subjects that they don’t want to talk about or want to keep in the news, the latter of which they did for years with the Russian collusion hoax. These two men aren’t Republican operatives, nor do they stand to gain anything here. They’re good guys, and they come off that way. And when Hunter’s lawyers resort to character assassination because that’s all they have left, you know something is up.

The Biden White House, the Department of Justice, and the attorney general have tried to kill this story in vain. It was already heating up when it looked like Garland committed perjury about this probe. Now, with Shapley and Ziegler’s testimony, there are more grounds for inquiry into the exploits of the Biden Crime Family.

Jeezis. Cut and Paste has ta be the worst thing ever invented...

But still....Tain't nuthin like an objective analysis from an unbiased source like that one....founded by The Heritage Foundation..."Guest contributors have included Eric Trump, Donald Trump Jr., and Lara Trump."

Give it a break, kid.

Yer orange god is gonna get indicted for a 3rd time. Followed shortly thereafter by a 4th, in Georgia.

DeSantis ended up bein the biggest bust since Ross Perot.

The only hope you have of keepin Joe outta the White House is his age. Which IS a huge factor, I give you.

This Hunter shit ain't goin nowhere. It ain't gonna help you, no matter how much you puff it up. 'Specially with idiots like Jordan and Comer in charge.

Yer best hope is to keep prayin that Joe just plain old can't last long enuff to pull this off.

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Jeezis. Cut and Paste has ta be the worst thing ever invented...

But still....Tain't nuthin like an objective analysis from an unbiased source like that one....founded by The Heritage Foundation..."Guest contributors have included Eric Trump, Donald Trump Jr., and Lara Trump."

Give it a break, kid.

Yer orange god is gonna get indicted for a 3rd time. Followed shortly thereafter by a 4th, in Georgia.

DeSantis ended up bein the biggest bust since Ross Perot.

The only hope you have of keepin Joe outta the White House is his age. Which IS a huge factor, I give you.

This Hunter shit ain't goin nowhere. It ain't gonna help you, no matter how much you puff it up. 'Specially with idiots like Jordan and Comer in charge.

Yer best hope is to keep prayin that Joe just plain old can't last long enuff to pull this off.

. Originally Posted by rooster

so you think all these IRS agents are what? lying? why?



you have two choices .. believe everything the DOJ lies .. er .. tells you what to believe or believe that these whistleblowers are telling the truth.



so which is it, roo?

so you think all these IRS agents are what? lying? why?



you have two choices .. believe everything the DOJ lies .. er .. tells you what to believe or believe that these whistleblowers are telling the truth.



so which is it, roo? Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Yer talkin nonsense....not a surprise when ya soak yerself in bullshit from lying, misdirecting fucks like Tucker.

Read my post again. I never said the IRS agents are lying. And I don't just have a "choice" between the two idiotic options that you lay out above. My "choice" is to not believe either side in full. They both have agendas and are influenced/directed by others.

Like most here, you have misunderstood me. I am not necessarily a supporter of the Democratic party or Joe Biden. They just aren't as fucking insane as the GOP has become.

I don't trust ANY of the major political parties. I think they are all ball-less when it comes down to it, not willing to deal with the real problems that are leading to the failure of this country. They only care about power and enriching themselves and their benefactors. They have completely sold us out to big business and Right-wing religous zealots. They have co-opted, redefined, and perverted words like "patriot," "freedom," "woke," and....God forbid...."Socialism."

So, yeah.... my major criticisms these days are against the GOP. They have become a party that embraces blatant lying at the highest levels. They come across as fascists, bigots, and racists, making us look like a Third World mess.

Trump and DeSantis both represent extremes that are truly dangerous. And needlessly cruel. These fake "culture wars" that they are using as rallying cries are unbelievably hurtful and damaging. And it just makes them look like absolute FOOLS to anyone even remotely objective.

Societies are best judged on how they treat their most vulnerable. From that perspective, we are failing miserably. Worse than at any point in my life-time.

Open yer eyes, my friend. Stop with promoting the angle that people like Tucker are "entertainment" and "not real news" and that they are examples of "free speech." And the biggest lie of all about them: that their average viewer KNOWS that they aren't serious, that they are just giving their "opinion." Uh-uh. They are being played and taken advantage of.

Tuck and his brethren are liars. Plain and simple. And they sure enough don't give one rat-fuck about you while they sit in their $8 Million dollar Florida mansions.

I am not happy about defending Biden et al. I'd love to support a better choice. But the options right now....WHEW. No fucking way. And I am awful goddam sick of anyone defending the big players in the GOP and Conservative Mainstream Media right now.

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LOL the Dems aren't as insane as the GOP.

Transgenderism being taught in schools, EV's being pushed on a grid that can't sustain it, MILLIONS of immigrants being brought in and put up in housing that we need to pay for, A commander in chief that broadcasts on national tv that our ammo supplies are low, student debt being pushed to be paid off again all while asking for more money, more money, more money which gives us less money that is worth less as well.

Anyone that is still a supporter of the Democratic Party has their head in the sand.

Tell me exactly what craziness the GOP is spewing, other than Trump being the fore runner.

And saying that's enough isn't enough.

LOL the Dems aren't as insane as the GOP.

Transgenderism being taught in schools, EV's being pushed on a grid that can't sustain it, MILLIONS of immigrants being brought in and put up in housing that we need to pay for, A commander in chief that broadcasts on national tv that our ammo supplies are low, student debt being pushed to be paid off again all while asking for more money, more money, more money which gives us less money that is worth less as well.

Anyone that is still a supporter of the Democratic Party has their head in the sand.

Tell me exactly what craziness the GOP is spewing, other than Trump being the fore runner.

And saying that's enough isn't enough. Originally Posted by heavenlysparrow

Whew. You really wanna hang that high fastball over the plate like that? Okay...

First, lemme get into my fav one you mentioned above. No one is "teaching" Trans-genderism in schools. They might support people who believe they fit that definition...and they might even do so prematurely or too aggressively at times, though probably not all that many. But to say that they "teach" it....you're tipping your hand, showing who you listen to for your news and opinions. It is a misrepresented buncha bullshit.

Let's get into another Social policy or three. We can start with abortion. I mean....at least you didn't repeat the untrue misrepresentation that Dems support abortion through the last Trimester. Cuz it ain't true. Not most of them. But most...yes, MOST...of the Country supports access for a reasonable time frame. Certainly more than 6 weeks. But we got us a rigged US-Supreme-Kangaroo-fucking-Court that says this is an issue for the "States." All while GOP dickheads want to introduce a "National" bill to restrict/ban it. Fuck off.

Moving on...howsa bout restrictions on voting rights? Or the whole COMPLETE MISREPRESENTATION that voting fraud is a major problem in this country. All of it so thinly transparent, designed only to discourage and suppress minority voters. And maybe foment a good ol' Insurrection or two while they are at it. Cuz those are healthy. Not insane.

And Immigrants? Immigrants, Shmimigrants. What to do, what to do? How about...blame the Executive branch for how fucked up our policies are? Or the lack of them. Meanwhile, the real goddam problem is that Congress refuses to deal with it. Just like they refuse to deal with everything that doesn't make for a good sound bite on Fox or CNN. But keep them fuckers out. Separate them from their children. The bastards deserve it. The NERVE of them tryin to come here and take away good landscaping jobs from the millions of white kids that want them.... (I assume your family is Native American, right?)

You ready for me to stop now? Cuz like Jimmy Durante, I've got a million of 'em....

But I'll stop with the best one. The one you said "wasn't enough." Cuz it is, it sooooo izzzzz....

Having a twice-indicted, twice-impeached, lying, Facist, sexist asshole as your front-runner is....IN-GODDAM-SANE.

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Sen Hochel has passed a bill that children in middle school can get on counseling on becoming transgender and it is literally against the law for the school to contact the parents. And children ARE being told in school that they have a choice to be whatever gender they want and they can identify however they want, sorry but that is F..ed up.

I will agree abortion is all over the place and reasonable amount of time should be ok. A few of the Dems are pushing for late abortion, just like a few of the GOP are looking for banning it.

If you're talking about people needing to present a drivers license to vote, which is what the GOP is asking for, and you consider that wrong??? Why wouldn't you.

Let's not forget how the dems all cried about voter fraud when Trump won.

As for the insurrection, Love how it is ok to protest, ruin people's businesses and burn buildings and say rioting tis the voice of the unheard, but march on the capitol and every Dem is up in arms, F them.

Week argument on immigrants. In no previous administration has there been such an issue. The have gladly opened our doors. As for my family they've been here 2-300 years, and nobody gave them a place to live and money to burn. From farm hands to farmers they busted their asses to make a living.

IN regards to stoping, don't see how you even started saying anything other than a few GOPs wanting to ban abortion.

Good job

Gentlemen time to get back on the threads topic

Sen Hochel has passed a bill that children in middle school can get on counseling on becoming transgender.... Originally Posted by heavenlysparrow

You do little with your counter-points other than distort mine and present facts like this first one that don't back up your original charge (i.e., "teaching" of Transgenderism).

But I shall (kinda) obey the good Doctor's directive to "get back on topic" and avoid the almost over-whelming desire to tear yer simplistic shit up, piece by piece.

I have to say, though, that the original "topic" is inane. And this is the fuggin Sandbox, fer chrissake. Who really gives a damn if we battle back and forth on dumb shit like this? I gotta believe that very few members actually pay attention to anything in this sub-forum.

Were it not fer that "reminder" though....dude, I would drive another one so deep into Left field that it would break a car window in the parking lot. You make it soooo easy...

(and ex-Fat Paulie.....really? Say sumthin meaningful once in awhile, instead of yer stoopid "YaY!" reactions every time someone says "yeah, but libs suck more!")

Sorry doc. Points accepted. Won't continue in this threAd.

Other than....

Having a twice-indicted, twice-impeached, lying, Facist, sexist asshole as your front-runner is....IN-GODDAM-SANE.


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These whistle blowers can't ALL be lying..... Shit's about to get real.....
No one is disputing their statements. Dems are using their time to bash Trump, DeSantis et al.

Conspicuously absent are any Dems refuting ANYTHING the whistle blowers have said.


Pretty soon even the NY Times and CNN will have to actually cover the story. They will eventually catch up to the WSJ



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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...0f9b3ddf&ei=57 Originally Posted by
These whistle blowers can't ALL be lying..... Shit's about to get real.....
No one is disputing their statements. Dems are using their time to bash Trump, DeSantis et al.

Conspicuously absent are any Dems refuting ANYTHING the whistle blowers have said.


Pretty soon even the NY Times and CNN will have to actually cover the story. They will eventually catch up to the WSJ



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There ya go! I knew ya had it in ya. I got nuthin....I hate em all...I really do.

(and just ta clarify....roo never said they wuz lyin either)


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Y’all are fooling yourselves if you think preferential treatment for political purposes is new, or isolated to the current administration……

This shirt has been going on since the country was founded.

Yet, whichever side you support….everyone keeps voting in the same jackasses over and over again…..and they all abuse the system, while keeping us fighting amongst ourselves.


elg……

Maybe the IRS did a favor for Hunter because Joe sits behind the resolute desk.

Trumps IRS chief (who made big $$$$$$$ from Trump Properties WHILE IN OFFICE) helped continue the "under audit" lie regarding the release of Trumps tax returns. This went down live everyday so whistleblowers weren't necessary.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/re...mp-properties/

Being in The White House has it's privileges. Don't leave home without your POTUS ID card!

Maybe the IRS did a favor for Hunter because Joe sits behind the resolute desk.

Trumps IRS chief (who made big $$$$$$$ from Trump Properties WHILE IN OFFICE) helped continue the "under audit" lie regarding the release of Trumps tax returns. This went down live everyday so whistleblowers weren't necessary.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/re...mp-properties/

Being in The White House has it's privileges. Don't leave home without your POTUS ID card! Originally Posted by IamVictoryasSecret

To ol' roo...it sounds like yer angry. And much of what you say almost sounds like.... "conspiracy theory"....

Why...it's almost as if yer implying something shocking....some idea that like.. rich people get preferential treatment..

That's some crazy shit!

I mean...it will likely take years of research. And a Supreme Court decision or three.

But I have no doubt that we will get to the bottom of your assertions, i.e. ...do rich white people get treated better by the law enforcement and judicial systems?

I dunno! It could be...

But this is gonna require some thought. Someone will get back to you!

(the real amazing thang behind all of this is that GOP shills pretend that this is unique. Meanwhile... a lot of these types of cases can best be summarized as..."Rich White Man Gets Slap on Wrist")

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