Pump Action AR Style Rifle
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Lever Action AR Style Rifle
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/m...320?tab=images
Neither one is a Semi-Automatic rifle.
- ICU 812
- 11-26-2022, 10:57 AM
- LayingPipe
- 11-26-2022, 04:26 PM
Biden didn't have a problem changing President Trumps plan to remove all military equipment from Afghanistan. Leaving behind 700,000 assault rifles for the Taliban is ok but law abiding citizens in the US cannot be trusted
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/21/polit...an-afghanistan
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/21/polit...an-afghanistan
- Jackie S
- 11-26-2022, 04:32 PM
Pump Action AR Style RifleAll the “Idiot in Chief” can see is a “scary looking rifle”
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/troy...441027986.html
Lever Action AR Style Rifle
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/m...320?tab=images
Neither one is a Semi-Automatic rifle. Originally Posted by ICU 812
- dilbert firestorm
- 11-26-2022, 07:20 PM
Pump Action AR Style Rifleum.. are you sure?
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/troy...441027986.html
Lever Action AR Style Rifle
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/m...320?tab=images
Neither one is a Semi-Automatic rifle. Originally Posted by ICU 812
they look like they are semi-automatic.
automatic means the round is loaded into the barrel by trigger.
it also means it fires a continuous stream of bullets on one pull of a trigger.
with semi-auto, its loaded by other means.
it also means that it fires one shot at a time per load.
the loading mechanism can be either automatic (M16, M1911, M1) or semi-automatic (Henry rifles and shotguns).
the firing mechanism can be either automatic (M16, M2) or semi-automatic (M1911, M1, AR15).
- ICU 812
- 11-27-2022, 05:10 AM
Not sure if you are being sarcastic (which is OK) or mis informed.
"Semi-Automatic" is taken to mean that when a cartridge is fired, the force of that discharge is used to cycle the action. That is, the spent casing is removed from the chamber and ejected, then a fresh cartridge is taken from a magazine and inserted ("loaded") into the rifle's chamber. This fresh cartridge is not fired until the trigger is actuated again. The gun will n ot (can not) fire again until the trigger is released and actuated once for each subsequent shot. That is semi-automatic operation.
Both lever action and pump action rifles and shotguns require a physical input by the shooter to eject the spent casing and chamber a fresh cartridge. They may be said to be "manually operated".
Lever action guns include the iconic Winchesters of the western movies. Pump action guns are most commonly recognized as a major type of shotgun.
The links in the OP lead to an example of either a lever action rifle or a pump action rifle. Neither is semi-automatic.
Hope this clarifies things a bit.
"Semi-Automatic" is taken to mean that when a cartridge is fired, the force of that discharge is used to cycle the action. That is, the spent casing is removed from the chamber and ejected, then a fresh cartridge is taken from a magazine and inserted ("loaded") into the rifle's chamber. This fresh cartridge is not fired until the trigger is actuated again. The gun will n ot (can not) fire again until the trigger is released and actuated once for each subsequent shot. That is semi-automatic operation.
Both lever action and pump action rifles and shotguns require a physical input by the shooter to eject the spent casing and chamber a fresh cartridge. They may be said to be "manually operated".
Lever action guns include the iconic Winchesters of the western movies. Pump action guns are most commonly recognized as a major type of shotgun.
The links in the OP lead to an example of either a lever action rifle or a pump action rifle. Neither is semi-automatic.
Hope this clarifies things a bit.
- dilbert firestorm
- 11-27-2022, 05:23 PM
I wasnt being sarcastic.
this came about a research I did when I came across an old advertisement (might have been 1930's/1940's) for a M1911 .45 caliber. this advertisement stated that this was an automatic pistol. I was like, wait, aren't they semi-auto?
so I looked into this. seems that they were talking about the guns auto loading mechanism actuated by the pull of a trigger.
so, i came to the conclusion that there were 4 types of mechanisms involved in some combination in guns.
this came about a research I did when I came across an old advertisement (might have been 1930's/1940's) for a M1911 .45 caliber. this advertisement stated that this was an automatic pistol. I was like, wait, aren't they semi-auto?
so I looked into this. seems that they were talking about the guns auto loading mechanism actuated by the pull of a trigger.
so, i came to the conclusion that there were 4 types of mechanisms involved in some combination in guns.
- ICU 812
- 11-28-2022, 03:57 AM
Not sarcastic or engaged in parody . . .well let's look at what is the current legal and regulatory situation in this, the third decade of the 21st Century.
Statuette law, The National Firearms Act (NFA), and the BATFE, the agency that enforces federal regulations of firearms, define a semi-automatic firearm as a self-loading gun that discharges once for every actuation of the trigger.
A fully-automatic firearm, aka a machine gun, is defined as a self-loading gun that is capable of discharging more than once for each actuation of the trigger. (BTW, these are, in fact, still legal to own, but are heavily regulated.)
Firearms that require a manual action by the shooter, manipulating a lever, pump, bolt or some other mechanism, to cycle the action are not considered to be self-loading. . . .not even a revolver.
Read all the old advertising you want, the above is the current law and regulation of firearms. Read enough old advertising and you will find testimony from Olympic gold medalist Buster Crab saying that Lucky Strike cigarettes don't make you short of breath.
In the 1920s, machineguns and suppressors were unregulated in any way and legal to own by anyone. You may run across an ad that suggests it would be a good idea for a rancher out in the country to have a Thompson sub-machinegun handy for when strangers come calling.
Statuette law, The National Firearms Act (NFA), and the BATFE, the agency that enforces federal regulations of firearms, define a semi-automatic firearm as a self-loading gun that discharges once for every actuation of the trigger.
A fully-automatic firearm, aka a machine gun, is defined as a self-loading gun that is capable of discharging more than once for each actuation of the trigger. (BTW, these are, in fact, still legal to own, but are heavily regulated.)
Firearms that require a manual action by the shooter, manipulating a lever, pump, bolt or some other mechanism, to cycle the action are not considered to be self-loading. . . .not even a revolver.
Read all the old advertising you want, the above is the current law and regulation of firearms. Read enough old advertising and you will find testimony from Olympic gold medalist Buster Crab saying that Lucky Strike cigarettes don't make you short of breath.
In the 1920s, machineguns and suppressors were unregulated in any way and legal to own by anyone. You may run across an ad that suggests it would be a good idea for a rancher out in the country to have a Thompson sub-machinegun handy for when strangers come calling.
- ICU 812
- 11-28-2022, 04:27 AM
With those clarifications made:
The topic of the OP is that President Biden wants ban all semi-automatic firearms. He declared ownership of a semi-automatic gun to be "sick". The goal is to ban all so-called "assault weapons". That term is not definable. Follow the links in my post. This will adversely affect a large number of hunting rifles and about half the shotguns now legally owned in the USA.. . .and still will not deal with "assault weapons".
The topic of the OP is that President Biden wants ban all semi-automatic firearms. He declared ownership of a semi-automatic gun to be "sick". The goal is to ban all so-called "assault weapons". That term is not definable. Follow the links in my post. This will adversely affect a large number of hunting rifles and about half the shotguns now legally owned in the USA.. . .and still will not deal with "assault weapons".
- ICU 812
- 11-29-2022, 05:09 AM
Anyhone else confused about this stuff?
It is much larger than guns and violence. If "they" casn do this, it will be your car next. In some places it already is about banning your car. Even classic or antique cars are being heavily use-regulated in predominantly progressive states.
Jut wait till home-schooling is made illegal . . .it could happen. During the pandemic hysteria of 2020 and 2021, my progressive brother-in-law (PhD and Professor) was incensed that the Federal government could not take control of the schools in Florida or enforce a centralized national curriculum.
It is much larger than guns and violence. If "they" casn do this, it will be your car next. In some places it already is about banning your car. Even classic or antique cars are being heavily use-regulated in predominantly progressive states.
Jut wait till home-schooling is made illegal . . .it could happen. During the pandemic hysteria of 2020 and 2021, my progressive brother-in-law (PhD and Professor) was incensed that the Federal government could not take control of the schools in Florida or enforce a centralized national curriculum.
- Levianon17
- 11-29-2022, 04:21 PM
Pump Action AR Style RifleBiden recently made a comment "That it is sick we still ALLOW Semi Automatic Weapons to be purchased in this country". It's obvious Biden doesn't understand the Second Amendment. It has nothing to do with allowing, it's a right. A God given Right enshrined in the Constitution.
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/troy...441027986.html
Lever Action AR Style Rifle
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/m...320?tab=images
Neither one is a Semi-Automatic rifle. Originally Posted by ICU 812
- ICU 812
- 11-30-2022, 04:32 AM
The progressive-left want total control of our society. They showed their hand during the general societal chaos of 2020 and the mandates of 2021.
I do not think that President Biden formulates policy concepts very much. That is done by those around him at the White House (and some from outside government). Mr. Biden just says what the TelePrompTer brings up.
If anyone wonders at just what the progressive's end game would look like, look to Australia, New Zealand and now Canada.
The Trudeau administration has taken over in near dictatorial powers evident in the sweeping pandemic control of every aspect of society and lately by banning gun ownership on his say-so . . .until legitimized by legislation from a rubber-stamp parliament. That just how Stalin and now Putin have operated to oppress or vontrol most of Northwestern Asia
I do not think that President Biden formulates policy concepts very much. That is done by those around him at the White House (and some from outside government). Mr. Biden just says what the TelePrompTer brings up.
If anyone wonders at just what the progressive's end game would look like, look to Australia, New Zealand and now Canada.
The Trudeau administration has taken over in near dictatorial powers evident in the sweeping pandemic control of every aspect of society and lately by banning gun ownership on his say-so . . .until legitimized by legislation from a rubber-stamp parliament. That just how Stalin and now Putin have operated to oppress or vontrol most of Northwestern Asia
- SpeedRacerXXX
- 11-30-2022, 05:58 AM
Biden recently made a comment "That it is sick we still ALLOW Semi Automatic Weapons to be purchased in this country". It's obvious Biden doesn't understand the Second Amendment. It has nothing to do with allowing, it's a right. A God given Right enshrined in the Constitution. Originally Posted by Levianon17A God-given right? I must have missed it in the 10 Commandments or in any other religious doctrine.
And to make it clear -- the 2nd Amendment is NOT absolute. That has been made clear in many court decisions up to and including the U.S. Supreme Court.
- Lucas McCain
- 11-30-2022, 06:39 AM
If the average Joe can justify why they need an AR and/or rapid-fire rifle, I'd love to hear their reasoning if it makes any sense. I understand why law enforcement and the military need those weapons, but why the fuck would I need to own and have access to one when I live in a 1st world country?
Hell, where I live, I don't even know why I still have any guns and I just have a few rifles and a 9MM. I don't even hunt animals. Why do I even own them? They just collect dust because I never touch them because I don't need to do so. I should sell them and just buy a baseball bat.
Hell, where I live, I don't even know why I still have any guns and I just have a few rifles and a 9MM. I don't even hunt animals. Why do I even own them? They just collect dust because I never touch them because I don't need to do so. I should sell them and just buy a baseball bat.
- ICU 812
- 11-30-2022, 07:42 AM
Not a law expert myself . . .yet I don't think that a requirement to justify a need for any firearm has ever been supported by any court decision at any level.
Heck, it is still legal for a private citizen to own a fully automatic firearm . . .yes, a machine gun is legal to own today in the USA. The same is true for suppressors ("silencers").
Heck, it is still legal for a private citizen to own a fully automatic firearm . . .yes, a machine gun is legal to own today in the USA. The same is true for suppressors ("silencers").
- Levianon17
- 11-30-2022, 07:43 AM
A God-given right? I must have missed it in the 10 Commandments or in any other religious doctrine.The words "Shall Not Be Infringed" makes the Second Amendment absolute.
And to make it clear -- the 2nd Amendment is NOT absolute. That has been made clear in many court decisions up to and including the U.S. Supreme Court. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX