How do I Get References for the "good" providers? ? ?

I don't have the answer but am looking for answers.

I understand thuroughly the concept of being safe. Both clients and more importantly providers! I want all of the providers to be safe and enjoy what they are doing as that benefits all of us! Treat them with respect and appreciate what they subject themselves to for our enjoyment! If you are one of those A$$holes that thinks a provider doesn't deserve respect because she is fooling aroung with strange men, take a look in the mirror you peice of crap! You are with her for a few minutes of self pleasure... The provider has many motives other than just an urge.

Sorry, so anyway, I am having a problem with trying to see a "good" provider in AR because they want references from "good" providers. While I have seen providers from eccie, they are not the providers that are considered good references. How do I get going here? And I have to be honest with you, I just don't have enough discrecionary funds to go gamble on girls only to find I am not moving in the right direction to be able to see whomever I want to see.

Can anyone give me some guidance? I want to play witht he big kids in the quality sandlot! Someone let me know the secret of getting in I am one of the nice guys and most providers even state they wish all clients were as respectful and sweet as I am. (no gay cracks about that either guys)

Thanks for your input (if this was a bad area to ask this question, I am sorry and let me know where... I figured it ultimately is a question about providers, just not asking for specific acts)

find a provider that might be willing to be newbie friendly with alternative screeing,..realize the market is H.O.T with our favorite uncle leo so girls have to be extra carefule of even alterative screening..

first if you don't have the funds to take leaps of faith only to find out you are in the wrong direction..then by all means don't do that.. if the references won't be good then you are in some shape and form kinda wasting your time..

alot of this hobby is trust.. you may have to jump thru a few more hoops than the other guys.. you may have to meet half way, you might have to meet in a town that is not your own, you may have to make more of an effort in time and such then you will in the future in order to get your foot in the door of the "good" upper tier girls... once you do..you will see that the effort was worth it

communicate the issue with the ladies.. don't be intrustive, forceful or seem overly eager as if you want the girl you are trying to see to lower her screening practices..simply show your willingness to work with her, your willing to do what it takes to get to see her..

I do believe if you took the time to slowly and throughly read what you wrote you may find your answer.

Also p411 membership goes a long way if your not on there , in my opinion Best of luck to you Musicman

I am very happy to hear that you realize that all references aren't "equal".... that's a start!! You should pick out the "good" provider that you want to see and ask her if there may be another way that she could screen you. It's possible that you might have to provide more personal information than you would normally feel comfortable giving, but realize that it's a one time thing. Once you have a "good" reference, you won't have to jump through those hoops again. Of course, you want to make sure that you are giving such information to a quality, drama free lady with a very good, professional reputation within the Hobby community.

I hope that helps some.......

Good Luck and Enjoy

Yep - pay attention to Shelby.

Keep in mind that you need to be open to additional/particular screening tools in order for the provider to feel you're a newbie who's worth taking the chance.

I see it like being set up on a blind date in civilian life (geez, I hate those). When you call the woman for the first time, you have a conversation and see if you're comfortable meeting her for a date. You also decide whether you take the safe way out with meeting for lunch/coffee or take a chance with dinner. You just don't call her up and say "hey there, Bubba gave me your number... you available on Friday?".

If you're in NWA, Musicman, you might check out the OK board (or p411) for some of the highly respected Tulsa providers (do your research - read reviews, pm some of the dawgs who have seen her, read posts on the board, etc) and make a road trip - not too far. You might also find a couple of very well respected providers in NWA that don't post much here, but are really are respected and a hell of a lot of fun. Good luck and have fun.

All good suggestions above from folks who know...

Patience, grasshopper and the reward will be yours...

Huck

Yep - pay attention to Shelby.

Keep in mind that you need to be open to additional/particular screening tools in order for the provider to feel you're a newbie who's worth taking the chance.

I see it like being set up on a blind date in civilian life (geez, I hate those). When you call the woman for the first time, you have a conversation and see if you're comfortable meeting her for a date. You also decide whether you take the safe way out with meeting for lunch/coffee or take a chance with dinner. You just don't call her up and say "hey there, Bubba gave me your number... you available on Friday?". Originally Posted by Calvinx

Looks to me like CalvinX knows what he's talking about! ** I was curious to see who his one review was of.... Shelby Sinful... one of Arkansas' most well established girls... with some of the tightest screening !! He is still alive and well !! * They must have found a way to make it happen!!

Calvin appears to be one perfect example of a new guy who went right to the top.... It Can Be Done!! But Ya Gotta Take The Leap!

Cum On NewMusicMan.... Jump In... The water's FINE!!

Loves it! Great advice and I look forward to meeting some of Arkansas' and/or Oklahoma's finest!
Peace to everyone and thanks again for the advice!

Remember, Newmusicman...Nothing worthwhile ever comes easily.

All of your efforts will be greatly rewarded. We promise!