Where did it all go wrong?

Prices and talent aren’t the same as before. Studios are priced high at 320 and the 30 minute rate is basically a ripoff. GL used to be 280/hr all inclusive and now is 360/hr. Pics are a gamble, don’t know if real or fake, dated or current. Worst of all is all the added taxes, something that was Free back in 2018 at the amps. And with a STD risk why would you want to pay an extra hundred to possibly get one. You’d think with booking a hour msog would be included but no. I’m sure im not the only one who feels this way with a hour appt. And girls who have a premium of 350 with “free msog”, is it really free when they priced increase from the 320? No. If you a one shot guy you basically screwed with a forced increase

LA k orgs and amps still rule the USA. They have multiple orgs and girls at a cheap all inclusive rate of 320. Amps in LA are by the tons and best part is the OG rates of 150/30 and 200/hr yet here in DFW prices are all over the place.

So was it the raids, covid, inflation or just pure greed? I’m saying greed given Cali prices are normal

It’s a bit of that along with supply and demand. There’s a much larger social infrastructure in California and NY so the women, especially the newer ones, feel more comfortable there, and are less willing to move around. Since there’s a much larger customer base, there are a much greater number of agencies, and that abundance of providers makes pricing competitive, and frequently all inclusive. Another factor is that there is a considerable amount of cross pollination across agencies. This leads me to believe that there is a fair amount of cooperation between owners and less in fighting. In my experience, this makes relationships with bookers much easier.

Everything definitely feels different. Feels like the best days of this hobby have passed.

I have said this repeatedly, but I will say this again.. the reason for upcharges such as MSOG/BBFS is because OTHERS cities do this and the girls say if I can do it in ABC why not here in DFW?

Also another reason for MSOG tax is due to knucklehead dudes who come in and just Jackhammer the living crap outta these girls because the feel the need to get in every inch of D to make it worth the money. If you are one of the guys who comes in and can’t have a “normal” or “relaxed” session who thinks It’s only worth it if I get in 30-40 minutes of pound time then you are the reason for this.

Also, I would assume there is a slight higher fee as well since DFW isn’t the big Korean/Asian market that Cali is. Along with the clientele being way more “uneducated” when it comes to just simple etiquette..

If you have issues with 320, there is only one place to go to that does 300/hr. Vote with your pockets, and tell girls in sessions, this is a joke paying for the msog and that. Often if you “click” with the chick, you get many upgrades waived! If you’re

I have said this repeatedly, but I will say this again.. the reason for upcharges such as MSOG/BBFS is because OTHERS cities do this and the girls say if I can do it in ABC why not here in DFW?

Also another reason for MSOG tax is due to knucklehead dudes who come in and just Jackhammer the living crap outta these girls because the feel the need to get in every inch of D to make it worth the money. If you are one of the guys who comes in and can’t have a “normal” or “relaxed” session who thinks It’s only worth it if I get in 30-40 minutes of pound time then you are the reason for this.

Also, I would assume there is a slight higher fee as well since DFW isn’t the big Korean/Asian market that Cali is. Along with the clientele being way more “uneducated” when it comes to just simple etiquette..

If you have issues with 320, there is only one place to go to that does 300/hr. Vote with your pockets, and tell girls in sessions, this is a joke paying for the msog and that. Often if you “click” with the chick, you get many upgrades waived! If you’re Originally Posted by 643_DP

+1 to voting with your wallet. Keep visiting those $360 places and they'll continue to charge folks that. Simple economics.

I'm in favor of them charging the MSOG tax, it weeds out those with poor etiquette and prevent from giving us a bad rep to these girls, which prevents them from returning to DFW or think about leaving for those that have been here for a while.

Call me a white knight, but I always treat them with the most upmost respect. Girls gossip; to their boss and with each other (I've had one that had heard about me before I even saw her, since I had seen her roommate quite a few times). It's just like work gossip. I'm gentle and ask for permission, check in with them if they're ok, and always make sure to make them cum a few times before I do. It's a two way street, not a one way road. Sure it's just a job for them, but why not make them feel good at it too? Ever since this tax started trending, I can't remember the last time I DIDN'T had the girl initiate round 2 - and I for sure hell don't pay that tax beforehand. Be good to them, and they'll be good to you back. The experience gets even better if you're a regular to a specific girl.

But to recap, vote with your wallet, and the easiest way to not pay that tax is to just treat them with respect and as humans, and give them the best of time possible, and if you make them feel good, they'll reward you.

I have said this repeatedly, but I will say this again.. the reason for upcharges such as MSOG/BBFS is because OTHERS cities do this and the girls say if I can do it in ABC why not here in DFW?

Also another reason for MSOG tax is due to knucklehead dudes who come in and just Jackhammer the living crap outta these girls because the feel the need to get in every inch of D to make it worth the money. If you are one of the guys who comes in and can’t have a “normal” or “relaxed” session who thinks It’s only worth it if I get in 30-40 minutes of pound time then you are the reason for this.

Also, I would assume there is a slight higher fee as well since DFW isn’t the big Korean/Asian market that Cali is. Along with the clientele being way more “uneducated” when it comes to just simple etiquette..

If you have issues with 320, there is only one place to go to that does 300/hr. Vote with your pockets, and tell girls in sessions, this is a joke paying for the msog and that. Often if you “click” with the chick, you get many upgrades waived! If you’re Originally Posted by 643_DP

No. This isn’t about jack hammering some Asian slut. There’s more to it than that. Hear me out!

I think Dallas is long overdue for a market correction that will benefit the customer NOT the studio owners. The studios in Dallas have become way TOO GREEDY and it’s very apparent. I used to go 1-2x a week before the GPS set in on these establishments. No they’re lucky if they see my money twice a year. Raising prices does nothing to bring me back - especially when quality has gone the opposite direction. Yes! 40-50 yo women being promoted as 20-30s and fake pics so blatant like an elephant in the middle of the room.

If other customers would just be more willing to hold out like me then shit would normalize much faster. Make these fuckers STARVE! Have some fucking will power. There are only 2-3 Asian providers in Dallas worth seeing right now in my opinion. I won’t say who for fear of causing ownership to try and find more reason to jack up their rates. Fuck them! Fuck all of them! Stop thinking with your dicks and use your big heads for a change. You control the game. Be fucking men and stop being weak little pussies caving to your urges. Then you’ll be men again and in charge of the market like you used to be when times were good. You all know what I’m talking about. You all need to OWN THE PUSSY instead of letting the pussy own you.

And as far as Cali is concerned. We are just getting their rejects. The prices and service there are better and the girls are better too. There’s more competition.

^this has some relevant points but also some blanant stupid shit. Calling for guys to basically boycott studios yet in the past when morons called for it in the past, the leaders of it still went just didn’t post reviews.. talking about fake ages and reviews, this dude posts that he Greeks every chick (which never actually happens)…

Believe what you want but when you’re curious ask the bookers, hell ask AS why all of a sudden they charge for msog?!? They will say because everywhere does and girls are not wanting to get pounded away in by dipshit dudes! It’s basically a dipshit tax!

Go to the studio that gives you the 300 on respeat sessions!

Which studio give a discount for repeat visits?

It is ALL about Suppy and Demand. Reread Ronin's post and Bamboo's post.


We are in charge, if we would just realize it. If we frequent studios that are all inclusive


and don't pay the upcharges when confronted with them, then prices will come down.


It really is Simple Economics.

I have been to Mizz KIm's once. She charges $320, but offered that repeat girl visits will only be $300

I'm out for a while, hopefully. I'm not "starting the boycott" but I'm just not going back to the studios for a while if I can help it. For the price, it's just not worth it anymore. I'm a multi hour guy, so MSOG is a must for me, but also these girls are charging for BB by the hour and when I want to partake in that it can get really expensive. And I'm not the guy who just pounds away at a girl the whole time, unless she wants to...really miss you Dana ...so I feel like this charge is excessive.


So for these reasons, I'm out for a while. Although, no lie, if one of my favorites makes it back here I'll break like a bitch. But these new girls with all the upcharging and higher rates, it's just not appealing amymore.

I’ve curtailed to a large degree as well. I don’t really care about the price, I just hate every time they say it’s someone young and there really 40+ charging that price. If you get me an actual young girl then that rate might be worth it.

I am with you guys who say to vote with your wallet.

Studios are a gamble these days for reasons already mentioned. Most of the girls provide fake or heavily ps profiles and they are mid at best. Also, many of these girls have gps and feel entitled to their excessive asking price. I am currently boycotting the studios.

IMO, AMPs provide better value and if you are lucky you get a bonus of a decent to good massage.

Time to invest in a silicone sex doll LOL

I'm out for a while, hopefully. I'm not "starting the boycott" but I'm just not going back to the studios for a while if I can help it. For the price, it's just not worth it anymore. I'm a multi hour guy, so MSOG is a must for me, but also these girls are charging for BB by the hour and when I want to partake in that it can get really expensive. And I'm not the guy who just pounds away at a girl the whole time, unless she wants to...really miss you Dana ...so I feel like this charge is excessive.


So for these reasons, I'm out for a while. Although, no lie, if one of my favorites makes it back here I'll break like a bitch. But these new girls with all the upcharging and higher rates, it's just not appealing amymore. Originally Posted by HenrySwanson

I’m with you Henry, you can see the last time I made a visit. I am a no on the taxes (and tips) too.