Jindal asks for Federal help

CJ7's Avatar
  • CJ7
  • 08-28-2012, 02:56 PM
but what he got wasnt enough .. heres what he said

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...orm-isaac-aid/
Munchmasterman's Avatar
but what he got wasnt enough .. heres what he said

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...orm-isaac-aid/ Originally Posted by CJ7
Give him what the law allows for.
I agree. There are laws governing what the Federal Government can give back, (notice I said give back), to States in times of dire straits.

It's not the fucking Government's Money, it's the People's Money.
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  • CJ7
  • 08-28-2012, 03:13 PM
remind him his fellow republicans want to restrict him to local, county, and state funding
Yssup Rider's Avatar
What a whiny pussy! I guess limiting government only works when it's not you getting limited.

Maybe he ought to call George Bush...
What a whiny pussy! I guess limiting government only works when it's not you getting limited.

Maybe he ought to call George Bush... Originally Posted by Yssup Rider
GW would only offer New Orleans a quick glance out the window of AF 1.

A few days later, he would offer a half-hearted "Heck of a job, Brownie" and then go on about his 'bidness' without giving it another thought!
CuteOldGuy's Avatar
I am not a fan of GW Bush by any stretch, but if he had landed and looked around, it would have delayed and disrupted the relief effort. The President can't just "drop in" on a place. He did the right thing by staying out of the way.

Possibly the only right thing he did in Katrina, but most of the screw ups were at the state and local level.
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  • Old-T
  • 08-28-2012, 11:27 PM
GW would only offer New Orleans a quick glance out the window of AF 1.

A few days later, he would offer a half-hearted "Heck of a job, Brownie" and then go on about his 'bidness' without giving it another thought! Originally Posted by bigtex
Realisticly, did you expect any President to take a shift shoveling sand bags? This is as unreasonable an attack as what the right wing folks toss rocks at. Bush actually handled that one reasonably well. I saw a lot of the federal respoce up close on that one, and as COG said, the real problems were a bunch of locals who were in WAY over their head--and were looking to make political points by blaiming each other. Sort of like Congress now.
Bush actually handled that one reasonably well. Originally Posted by Old-T

Yeah, GW handled the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina "reasonably well." Didn't he?

"Heck of a job, Brownie!"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ebUH_blog.html
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Some of you are a wee bit ignorant of what really happened aren't you. Not just ignorant but nasty and mean. Let me lay it out for you. Yeah, I know I 'm going to get a lot of nasty remarks from the peanut gallery but maybe someone will learn something.

Hurrican Katrina made land fall 6:10 AM on Monday, 29 August, 2005. It was a Cat 4 hurricane when it made land fall. Prior to that here is what happened;

25 August: Katrina strikes Florida as a Cat 1 hurricane and nine people die. Governor Jeb Bush declares a state of emergency.

0900 Friday, 26 August: The White House declares an impending disaster on the Gulf Coast. 10,000 National Guard troops are dispatched to the coast.

1700 Weather track confirms that Katrina, a Cat 2 hurricane, is going to make land fall between New Orleans and Gulfport, MS.

2300 Governor Blanco declares a state of emergency (14 hours after George Bush did)

0500 Saturday, 27 August: Katrina becomes a Cat 3 storm.

1000 Katrina becomes a Cat 4 storm. Parrish officials order mandatory evacuation in surrounding areas.

1200+ National Hurricane Center contacts Mayor Ray Nagin to advise for mandatory evacuation.

1700 Mayor Nagin declares state of emergency. A voluntary evacuation order is issued. Decides to wait until 30 hours before land fall to call for mandatory evacuation. Land fall is 36 hours away. Mississippi governor Haley Barbour declares a State of Emergency and a mandatory evacuation order is issued. Posse Comitatus Act limits any further response until governor requests aid.

0700 Sunday, 28 August: Katrina becomes a Cat 5 storm.

0930 Mayor Nagin announces that the Regional Transit Authority will pick people up in 12 locations to take them to places of refuge. That order is never given to the drivers.

1100 Mayor Nagin orders a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans. President Bush suggests mandatory evacuation before Mayors decision made public. Land fall is 19 hours away.

1130 Bush publicly vows to help those affected.

1200 Governor Blanco requests disaster relief funds. FEMA sends water, food, and supplies to Texas and Georgia in preparation. Bush declares a state of emergency.

1900 National Weather Service predicts the storm surge may overtop the levees.

0610 Monday, 29 August: Katrina, now a Cat 4 storm, makes land fall.

0900 Lower 9th Ward levee is breached. Floodwaters reach 6-8 feet.

1100 FEMA director Michael Brown arrives in Baton Rouge.

1400 17th Street levee breaches. 20% of the city is flooded.

1345 Bush declares an Emergency Disaster declaration for Louisiana under the Stafford Act. Federal funds authorized.
-Coast Guard rescues 1200 from flood. National Guard moves into postion.
-Second levee breaches, 80% of city flooded. Some places measure 20 feet deep.
-FEMA activates the Nation Response plan.
-50,000 to 100,000 people remain in New Orleans and need rescue.
-The Superdome has 10,000 people inside though it was never set up as a shelter.

1630 Tuesday, 30 August: Officials request anyone with a boat to start rescueing people.

1730 Bush announces he will cut vacation short.

2010 Looting is reported to be widespread.

2055 Army Corps of Engineers begins work on 17th Street levee.

2215 Governor Blanco orders the evacution of the Superdome but issues no further orders on how or when.

AM Wednesday, 31 August: Governor Blanco requests more National Guardsmen from Bush. He complies.

-Katrina becomes a tropical depression.

1000 Buses begin to arrive to evacuate Superdome. 25,000 people now in Superdome. 52,000 in Red Cross shelters.

1230 Pentagon sends four Navy ships with emergency supplies.
-EPA suspends fuels standards.
-Water level stops rising
-Reports of looting grows. Search and Rescue operations cease to focus on looting.
-London Avenue canal breached
-FEMA deploys 39 medical teams and 1700 trailer trucks.

Thursday, 1 September: National Guard members number 30,000. Looting increases, military helicopters shot at, water rescue suspended due to violence.
-Superdome now has 45,000 refugees
-Senators return to Washington DC.
-President Bush signs $10.5 billion relief bill.
-President Bush requests Governor Blanco turn over control of relief efforts to federal control. Blanco refuses.

Friday, 2 September: President Bush tours the Gulf area. Calls results unacceptable so far.
-20,000 more National Guardsmen arrive on Gulf Coast. 6500 in New Orleans.
-Chemical storage plant in NO explodes and scattered fires.
-Airlines begin flying refugees to San Antonio.

Saturday, 3 September: Bush orders 7200 active duty military to Gulf Coast.
-National Guardsmen now stand at 40,000.
-Department of Labor announces a grant for dislocated workers.
-200 police officers walk off job, 2 commit suicide.

Sunday, 4 September: Superdome fully evacuated.

Monday, 5 September: Gap in levee closed. One gap left to repair.
-Bush returns to region, 4700 more active duty troops arrive.
-500 police officers missing in action.

Tuesday, 6 September: Pumping begins in New Orleans
-As relief efforts continue Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barbara Mikulski demand Brown's resignation.

Wednesday, 7 September: Bush requests $52 billion in aid from the Congress.

Thursday, 8 September: Congress approves $52 billion in aid.
-President Bush suspends the Davis-Bacon Act pissing off the unions.

Thursday, 15 September: President Bush speaks to the nation from Jackson Square.

Monday, 19 September: Evacuation ordered by Mayor Nagin due to hurricane Rita.

Official death toll in Louisiana is 1577 dead. This includes several outlying parrishes as well as New Orleans.

So what should we learn. George Bush responded to the hurricane faster than the Senate did. The governor limited relief efforts by not officially responding to the White House requests for control. George Bush declared an impending disaster before the Mayor and Governor of Louisiana did. The response was large but a divided command, looting, and failure of local plans crippled relief efforts.

Sources: The Brookings Institute, Wikipedia Katrina Timeline
The following excerpt from the "insider" story of a high ranking Bush Administration Cabinet member pretty much sums up the incompetence of George W. Bush's 8 years in office.

AND I QUOTE:

“President George W. Bush didn’t get it,” Brown writes. “He failed to comprehend the magnitude of the storm, the critical timing for evacuation, and the increase in services and personnel that was needed because so many people had not left New Orleans.”

Later, he writes that “the President tended to act like a well-meaning fraternity boy who wanted everybody to like him.”

The full story is found below:


“Heck of a job Brownie” spreads the Katrina blame in new book

By Stephen Lowman

President Bush being briefed by FEMA director Michael Brown (center) on September 2, 2005 in Mobile, Alabama. (JIM WATSON/AFP/Getty Images) In his new book “Deadly Indifference,” Michael Brown, the FEMA director when Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, charges President Bush with “yielding to the poor judgment of staff aides who insisted upon photo opportunities that overrode common sense.”

And as the federal government faced mounting criticism in the wake of the disaster, Bush “immediately went into CYA [cover your ass] mode,” Brown writes. “I was made the scapegoat for the administration.”

Brown, whom Bush infamously said was doing “a heck of a job,” writes that he was stymied by incompetent local officials and, at the federal level, a chain of command that slowed down FEMA’s response.

“President George W. Bush didn’t get it,” Brown writes. “He failed to comprehend the magnitude of the storm, the critical timing for evacuation, and the increase in services and personnel that was needed because so many people had not left New Orleans.”

Later, he writes that “the President tended to act like a well-meaning fraternity boy who wanted everybody to like him.”

But, wait! There’s more. He goes on to accuse Bush and his family of being “sheltered from reality.”

“The President and his family are not unlike European royalty. They can lead privileged lives isolated from the cares and concerns of the public.”
Brown saves some lashings for others, too.

He says Homeland Security director Michael Chertoff suffered from “bureaucratic thinking” and presidential advisor Karl Rove thought more about the storm’s political implications than recovery efforts.

Brown slams Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for having “no sense of image.”

“Instead of demonstrating concern and awareness of a national priority, she took in a show,” he writes. Rice attended “Spamalot!” on Broadway two days after the storm made landfall.

He goes after New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin for his “seeming inability to think effectively” and writes that Louisiana governor Kathleen Blanco was “out of her league.”

But Brown doesn’t entirely let himself off the hook. He believes that he should have been more forceful in pressing the president for resources and that he and his staff could have handled the media better.

The book was co-authored by Ted Schwarz and publishes on Thursday.

By Stephen Lowman | 10:59 AM ET, 06/14/2011
Where were the buses that the Emergency Evacation Plan had in place to get citizens out of the area ????

Democratic Mayor Nagel didn't call them out !
And what happened to the pump and levee system that failed ??

They were in disrepair due to the corrupt Democratic regime that ran the city and levee authority for decades.
Yssup Rider's Avatar
So you're saying the levees failed because of Democrat policies?

Stretch a little farther and you can blame them for voodoo in the Quarter.
CuteOldGuy's Avatar
If the voodoo had been effective, they wouldn't have failed. Need more and better voodoo.