A warning to providers who upsell....

...don't travel to Michigan (Ann Arbor, specifically).

http://www.annarbor.com/news/crime/a.../#.UECoICIsEnd

A little curious as to why the man wasn't arrested though.

Friends,
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Great post Fritz....good value added.!

Been going on with Ohio ladies for years. Been informed to stay away from them many times.

Gotta love this comment.

I also hope the picture above wasn't taken at the scene, because seriously, what are you going to get for 17 bucks?

...don't travel to Michigan (Ann Arbor, specifically).

http://www.annarbor.com/news/crime/a.../#.UECoICIsEnd Originally Posted by fritz3552

Ann Arbor police Lt. Renee Bush said police were called at 10:30 p.m. to a home in the 2700 block of Packard Road for a report of a robbery. When investigators arrived, they found the man having a bit of trouble with a 19-year-old Ohio woman he had contacted online.
Bush said the man and the woman had agreed on a price for her services. But when the man gave her the cash, the woman reportedly took the money and informed him that the price had suddenly gone up.

Let' review this:

1. They had a contract for services (oral contracts are valid)
2. She received payment for the services in advance.
3. She refused to honor the contract
4. She refused to return the money.
5. He called the police.

What about this do you not understand?

An agrement is an agreement. We should always call the police if a contract is not honored.

This is stealing, plain and simple. She can not change her mind after taking the money, or raise the prices because she feels like it. A deal is a deal.

If you bought a car, gave the guy the money and he raised the price without giving you the car; well, you would call the cops. Same thing.

Send the bitch to jail.

I saw it happen when I was waiting in traffic court here in KC. A guy complained when one room mate took his wallet with $300 while he was in bed with the room mate. They didn't think he would complain; because you know. He did and I saw the Judge send the girl to 30 days in Jackson County Jail. They took her right off the witness stand, straight out the back door of the courtroom. The problem with the hobby is: there are some who count on robbery, and don't think the guy will complain.

Spend the time to check the girl out. There are some very nice ladies that are available. They make me very happy, and I enjoy their company. There are others; you know what i mean.

If you get the feeling that a girl is a real problem, don't try to change her. Look for another.

Play safe!

JR

Let' review this:

1. They had a contract for services (oral contracts are valid)

What about this do you not understand?

An agrement is an agreement. We should always call the police if a contract is not honored. Originally Posted by JRLawrence

JR,

Look into "illegal contracts" and "void contracts". It isn't a legal contract if the purpose of the agreement is to achieve an illegal end, or if the contract is contingent on one or both parties performing illegal acts.

Legality

The last requirement of a valid contract is that its provisions be legal. If a purported contract requires an illegal act, the result is a void contract. Parties to an illegal contract have no standing in court. If one party receives money or property under an illegal contract, the other may not sue to recover what was paid under the contract. - Contract Basics. 'Lectric Law Library

JR,

Look into "illegal contracts" and "void contracts". It isn't a legal contract if the purpose of the agreement is to achieve an illegal end, or if the contract is contingent on one or both parties performing illegal acts. Originally Posted by KCQuestor

Well Duh;

If someone's word isn't good; don't do business with them. Legal, illegal (that's a sick bird) or otherwise. She made a deal and she should stick to it. If she provides more and you are happy, you should give her a tip or additional compensation for the extra time because "she forgot about the time, she was having such a good time." Thank you, thank you very much for the added service (I know this is an act, she knew. She is in business for the time) and thank you for treating me special. That's what I wanted.

You don't have to say what the agreement was, the office will get the idea. When I was very young, I once had the same crap pulled on me; when I objected a big pimp came into the room. I told him I wanted my money back or I would call the police and make sure he saw the judge. I got my money back. He wanted to steal, but he didn't want the trouble that could go with it. Too many of these jerks think that the hobby is about how they can rip people off. Avoid these people like that like the bubonic plague. There are too many nice people in the world. The real reason that the hobby is illegal is because of the nonsense that goes along with it. If there are no problems, LE just doesn't care. But you can bet the farm that they monitor the hobby closely to weed out those who create problems. When there are problems, like this, they do care - and they care a lot. When they see problems they will act.

Don't hand us any crap about a void contract. We all know that. Duh. Are you trying to BS us about not calling the cops if you are ripped off. Call them and put both the bitch and the pimp in jail. Let the damn pimp know that you will not be messed with. Come back with the police and nail his ass to the wall legally. If he threatens or touches you, charge him for that too, or tell the officer that he did anyway just for shits and grins.

It may be your word against his and/or hers, but you can bet that you will be listened to and believed before those doing the selling. Help me officer, they approached me; I said no and they robbed me.

If you even hear about a pimp involved scream like hell for the cops and run the bastard in, and go to the trial. You make the complaint and you will be listened to. You can bet that if it happened to you, it had happened to others and they do have the names in the system. Add your encounter to the record and watch for the results. The cops do a dossier on most people involved with the hobby. Make sure that, if you get ripped off, you get an entry in theirs. It does make a difference.

As a matter of fact, LE has a dossier on everyone that has ever had any contact with the police, and probably if they have not. There is a file on everyone somewhere.

This is about sex and feeling good about ourselves, not about being ripped off. Most of the time, you can see trouble coming and just walk away. Most of the time you can get a feel for what this is about when you first talk to her on the phone. Hello, if she is drunk when she answers the phone - hang up.

This was blatant. She took the money: wouldn't give it back, and demanded more.

That being said. I want to again say that there are some great people in the hobby, and I have made some good friends. I have found that by taking my time and learning about people, doing my homework and keeping a list of people that I might want to know (and waiting until you am sure) you can find some real jewels out there; ie, don't let you little head do your thinking. and reward people well who treat you well. There are a lot of nice girls here that need the money. Treat them well.

I can remember only two experience like I described in 50 years in the hobby. Just pay attention to what is going on, and you will be OK. Never create problems. You can walk away most of the time. But you don't have to be a wimp either.

JR

You act like I'm defending the guy. I'm not.

Your assertion was that it was a valid contract. You even said "oral contracts are valid", which is not always true in any case. You also said "We should always call the police if a contract is not honored."

There's not a chance in hell I would call the police to complain that a pimp and a hooker ripped me off by not providing agreed upon services.

In the wonderful world of theoretical academics, all oral and written contracts are to be fullfilled, and if not, the calling of cops or a through discussion of all legal options to explored would be discussed if the contract is not honored.

However, then there is good old reality...and of course ,hell no, would I call the cops on something like this, lol

I'm guessing anyone saying different now, would not seek out law enforcement, if face with this...just a dumb move.

Not to say, there would be other options on the table, however

In the wonderful world of theoretical academics, all oral and written contracts are to be fullfilled, and if not, the calling of cops or a through discussion of all legal options to explored would be discussed if the contract is not honored.

However, then there is good old reality...and of course ,hell no, would I call the cops on something like this, lol

I'm guessing anyone saying different now, would not seek out law enforcement, if face with this...just a dumb move.

Not to say, there would be other options on the table, however Originally Posted by vkmaster

We can't discuss the other options here! I hoped someone could read between the lines.

JR

JR,

Look into "illegal contracts" and "void contracts". It isn't a legal contract if the purpose of the agreement is to achieve an illegal end, or if the contract is contingent on one or both parties performing illegal acts. Originally Posted by KCQuestor

What he said...

I think that there is a more ominous conlusion, that the guy could have gotten violent. The girl looked to be playing a very dangerous game that could have gone horribly wrong

You should always call 911 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ12Ry-hD6I

I think that there is a more ominous conlusion, that the guy could have gotten violent. The girl looked to be playing a very dangerous game that could have gone horribly wrong Originally Posted by chuckinolathe

EXACTLY!!! this girl is very fortunate he called the police and didn't beat her down..

Interesting thread.....
J