Enough is enough.

Gentlemen, I beg you from the core of my being, PLEASE STOP ATTEMPTING BBFS ON PROVIDERS. I won't bore you with a recitation of risks because we're all adults who are fully aware what this kind of behavior can lead to. Unfortunately, I have had a few gentlemen lately who think this behavior is acceptable and I'm at the end of my rope with it.

Again, please please please don't do that to a provider. When someone is in control/above you and tries this forcefully, that is the scariest thing a woman can experience in my opinion.

Thanks for reading.

I don't mean to be indelicate here, but is this posting really necessary?

Aren't you asking guys not to commit rape? Isn't that what you are basically stating is going on?

I guess my point being that if this is going on that it might need to be dealt with in a much more direct manner, instead of a general plea that is addressed to everyone.

If I'm missing something or simply not getting it, I do welcome a response to set me straight.

I don't mean to be indelicate here, but is this posting really necessary?

Aren't you asking guys not to commit rape? Isn't that what you are basically stating is going on?

I guess my point being that if this is going on that it might need to be dealt with in a much more direct manner, instead of a general plea that is addressed to everyone.

If I'm missing something or simply not getting it, I do welcome a response to set me straight. Originally Posted by mutualpleasur2

After the rape the damage has already been done physically and emotionally. I presume it is difficult for an escort to call the authorities, then you get into the he said/ she said tangle. These ladies are real people and deserve to be treated with respect. PERIOD

I'll go out on a limb here and say a few things... Yes, I'm still a newbie on here but not in the real world... like most of you, I've been around the block too...

In Layne's defense, I'm guessing she's run into a couple or more not so nice fella's (Not gentlemen for sure!) that felt like they can do what they want... I think she's just asking that we all remember to be a little more respectful of the ladies and that it is not the OK corral where stuff just happens..

Hard8Bronco just listed some helpful hints in another thread to us that might get some of us guys more traction with the ladies instead of an ANTI-reaction!

Just my opinion... but I often wonder when we read a review sometimes where things didn't click, was it because the guy thought he could have his way with the lady because, "He paid for it dammit!" Or did they just not click because of another reason..? I know not everyone is going to like me and I know not everyone is my cup of tea either... So, yup, stuff happens.. we all can agree with that too...

No matter how we might click, the bottom line is that Layne is saying is that what we all do is risky and there are things we all should do to lower that risk... Please be a gentlemen and respect those wishes and play nice.. No reason to be nasty...

I've said it before.. we're all here to have fun!! Relax and enjoy it all!!

If I've offended ANYONE, that is not my intention... I just wanted to say a few words to help explain what I thought Layne was saying.. Obviously she has a real concern and felt the need to speak up was warranted. I'd have to agree so I wanted to speak up too.

Have a good night all!

Edit: I agree with Windowsidiot! I was typing my post when he responded.

Layne, I'm sorry this happened to you, and the suggestion someone made that this is tantamount to attempted rape is spot on. Personally, I think you are being too polite. I'm going to quote a rant from a Denver area provider I've seen. This is the way you SHOULD handle this situation:

"Go a head and try it. I've got no problem telling you to get the fuck out. If you don't leave, I will taser your ass, and use pepper spray in your face. If I have to, I will drag your ass out of my incall. Since I don't work from home..... I don't give a shit if you scream like a bitch. Ill simply pack up and move."

Simply put. If it doesn't have a cover on it it doesn't belong anywhere near my ass or pussy!

Can't get much more simple than that Lady Y!!! Well said!

It saddens me that Layne has the need to write a post of this nature!! I respect her for standing up and and exposing the problem! For their safety, I hope that she discretely informs the other providers who the individuals are!

The attempt to perform BBFS by a client shows a lack of respect for the provider, the hobby and for himself! I figure, if an individual (provider or client) is willing to take part in this, they're either REALLY stupid or have nothing to lose! If I were offered a BBFS, I would refuse to participate! I would like to think that every hobbyist on ECCIE would agree!

I don't mean to be indelicate here, but is this posting really necessary? Originally Posted by mutualpleasur2

Yes, absolutely. I apologize if you feel its simply just a "plea".

I think she's just asking that we all remember to be a little more respectful of the ladies and that it is not the OK corral where stuff just happens.. Originally Posted by oldmanoftheroad

You hit the nail on the head. And the "I paid for you!" mentality is more common than you think. I also think when a client feels a certain "connection" with you, he thinks its okay to try and see what he can get away with.

It sucks that it is repeat clients............they should all know better. You hate to put a damper on the fun before it begins but I would work up a friendly warning before things heat up that behavior like described will be dealt with in a appropriate manner and having LE over will ruin the day for both of us so lets not go there.

Personally, as a client, if I were offered bbfs I would get up, get dressed and leave. If you will do it bb with me you will have done it with some guy before me and he may be the guy with an STD.

well, for what it matters, I'm going to say that I think my posting was taken wrong by windowsidiot, and possibly others, I don't know.

I am saying by windowsidiot since he quoted me and then responded in his own post.

I might not have phrased my posting in the right way so perhaps it was misunderstood and I failed in being clear. My bad. However, since windowsidiot seemed to want to emphasize their reply by capitalizing the word PERIOD I think it is safe to say my point was not understood.

And I do want to emphasize that I'm not posting in any way to be critical to Miss Layne.

My point was simply do we really need a reminder that BBFS is a stupid idea? The whole community? Isn't that about as much a given as gravity is? If there are some stupid fucks out there really wanting that then they need the biggest boot up their ass and to be exposed in the powder room or elsewhere.

Oh well, be safe out there.

My point was simply do we really need a reminder that BBFS is a stupid idea? The whole community? Isn't that about as much a given as gravity is?. Originally Posted by mutualpleasur2

Yes. Yes, we do.

Wow. Can we presume that the guys who have tried to force this are blacklisted? I'm asking because I really don't understand how this all works.

I blacklist them right away and tell the other ladies to watch out. Most of us do. Unfortunately, there are some that don't and by not blacklisting put all of us at risk!