Here you will see what lengths they go to to keep up the lies surrounding trafficking, with their myths and misconceptions, while keeping the truth from being told in the main stream media.
Silencing and Intimidation of Women of Color at 'Men Against Sexism' Conference.
http://www.shakesville.com/2013/08/s...-women-of.html
We have proven that these myths like the average age of entry being 14 are false and misguided.
http://www.policeprostitutionandpoli...rafficking.pdf
- ginainthemorning
- 08-18-2013, 07:16 AM
- Hermosa
- 08-18-2013, 10:45 AM
Here you will see what lengths they go to to keep up the lies surrounding trafficking, with their myths and misconceptions, while keeping the truth from being told in the main stream media.Enjoyed the information Gina. Unfortunately, that seems to be the way all discussions go in our country right now. Too many who hold a position of power, control the discussion, to be agreeable with those who have the most influence because they bully those who disagree. Meanwhile, the hurt goes on. It has become very difficult to get a real discussion going. We see this even on our forums here. Too quickly they are reduced to silliness and extremist gleaming generalities.
Silencing and Intimidation of Women of Color at 'Men Against Sexism' Conference.
http://www.shakesville.com/2013/08/s...-women-of.html
We have proven that these myths like the average age of entry being 14 are false and misguided.
http://www.policeprostitutionandpoli...rafficking.pdf Originally Posted by ginainthemorning
Keep up the fight. I think we can bring about a change only if we continue to keep the discussion on track. It is more than rights. It is more than morality. It's really about why we are so comfortable making choices that hurt another person? That is really the greater moral question. In the mean time, the hurt goes on.
- Zimmie6942
- 08-18-2013, 12:52 PM
Well I'm a little confused. So can you answer these questions because I'm either really stupid or really naive. I think I just look at things differently then most but here is what i'm wondering.
1. What does feminism have anything to do with sex trade at all?
2. Why are men threaten by women? Wouldn't you want them to be badass and achieve a lot and do what ever they want.
3. How does a women's success minimize a mans success? They have nothing to do with each other just like another mans successes has nothing to do with another mans success.
4. I have been in the hobby for 5 years and I have never come across anyone under 18 and I check ID's when there suspect. Do they just use this 14 year age to get support and funding, other than that it doesn't compute.
5. What is the average starting age. She never seemed to answer that which would be the most logical response to an incorrect age would to be the correct age.
6. Why the fuck to men have to fuck everything up and piss off women and make it harder for us to get laid. What a bunch of fags.
I just don't get any of it - Its not logical at all.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that since there is absolutely anything wrong with a man paying a women for her time and having sex during that time then people who are in some strange way threatened by that have to make up some reason its wrong to try and stop it. But wouldn't only married women be threatened by it and wouldn't men try at nothing to shut them up. Wouldn't men try and protect the women who are offering these services and making are lives better.
The only thing I can think of that could be at the route level is FEAR. Maybe too many people run there lives based on FEAR and make decisions based out of FEAR. Men afraid of asking a girl out. Men afraid of loosing the girl/wife they have by letting them know what they really want. Men afraid of there friends or boss knowing what they do when not at work. Hiding all there true desires for women because they are afraid they will be judged or penalized for it.
Because if men where honest they all want prostitution legal and the women protected and given awards for best service. The only group I can think of that would want it illegal would be married women.
I don't know maybe all those years in High School taking Acid has made me crazy but these people on this planet are either fucking stupid or delusional or just lying to themselves about what they truly want out of life.
Or maybe I'm the one who is silly and an extremist. Please point me in the right direction. What is the truth they are hiding from the mainstream media.
1. What does feminism have anything to do with sex trade at all?
2. Why are men threaten by women? Wouldn't you want them to be badass and achieve a lot and do what ever they want.
3. How does a women's success minimize a mans success? They have nothing to do with each other just like another mans successes has nothing to do with another mans success.
4. I have been in the hobby for 5 years and I have never come across anyone under 18 and I check ID's when there suspect. Do they just use this 14 year age to get support and funding, other than that it doesn't compute.
5. What is the average starting age. She never seemed to answer that which would be the most logical response to an incorrect age would to be the correct age.
6. Why the fuck to men have to fuck everything up and piss off women and make it harder for us to get laid. What a bunch of fags.
I just don't get any of it - Its not logical at all.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that since there is absolutely anything wrong with a man paying a women for her time and having sex during that time then people who are in some strange way threatened by that have to make up some reason its wrong to try and stop it. But wouldn't only married women be threatened by it and wouldn't men try at nothing to shut them up. Wouldn't men try and protect the women who are offering these services and making are lives better.
The only thing I can think of that could be at the route level is FEAR. Maybe too many people run there lives based on FEAR and make decisions based out of FEAR. Men afraid of asking a girl out. Men afraid of loosing the girl/wife they have by letting them know what they really want. Men afraid of there friends or boss knowing what they do when not at work. Hiding all there true desires for women because they are afraid they will be judged or penalized for it.
Because if men where honest they all want prostitution legal and the women protected and given awards for best service. The only group I can think of that would want it illegal would be married women.
I don't know maybe all those years in High School taking Acid has made me crazy but these people on this planet are either fucking stupid or delusional or just lying to themselves about what they truly want out of life.
Or maybe I'm the one who is silly and an extremist. Please point me in the right direction. What is the truth they are hiding from the mainstream media.
- ginainthemorning
- 08-20-2013, 09:01 AM
Its not just married women, its also religious groups. Lets use the hunt sisters as an example they have spend over 1/2 their family fortune trying to abolish prostitution. These headlines that mislead the public saying that 300,000 US kids are being trafficked are used to create public hysteria and get more funding. The US spends 250 million each year just to make the public aware of trafficking yet in 2012 there were only 347 victims. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swanee_Hunt
The reason this is so easy for them to do, is because the adult community is not taking action. Everyone needs to step up and go to esplerp.rog and donate to the legal fund. In Rhode Island we got decriminalized in Rhode Island in 1979 because Margo St James filed the case Coyote Vs Roberts and we were criminalized again in 2009 when LE insisted they had to criminalize us to investigate human trafficking, yet no trafficking has been found in Rhode Island.
This new law also makes anyone that hires an illegal immigrant a trafficker, and I doubt your checking peoples immigration status, the feds say they are investigating any escort under 26, and we know this is another lie as they arrest middle aged escorts all the time.
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Why is law enforcement and congress not concerned that every major city has thousands of homeless teens, and then after these teens enter the sex trade to survive, magically they care and find beds at rescue shelters that are usually empty 90% of the time.?
Why do we keep conflating sex work with sex trafficking, as this latest nationwide sting also arrested over 800 consenting adults, yet they only mention the 101 victims and 100 pimps. Since drivers, bookers, boyfriends and anyone a sex worker supports is deemed a pimp and that any commercial sex act is considered trafficking it makes us wonder how many of these 101 people were even a real victim.
In the past 20 years over 14.5 million Americans have been arrested for prostitution and disorderly conduct, and yet there were less than 4500 trafficking victims in 20 years. The justice dept and FBI keep publishing false information saying that there are 300,000 teens being exploited in the US, but they can't seem to find them. These irresponsible polices must stop to protect both the victims and the sex workers. Criminalization only creates the perfect playground for predators and bad cops to rob, rape, exploit and murder sex workers and victims. Sex workers are also denied victim assistance after reporting serve violence as they are deemed criminals.
Have you watched the recently released film "American Courtesans" which is the only documentary made by the sex workers themselves?
Why are we not discussing the 300 cops that have sexual assualting kids and gotten less than 3 years, or the priests that rape our kids under the guise of religion. My research has shown me that the number of online escorts has doubled in the past 2 to 3 years. If your between 15 and 30 there is a 80% chance your unemployed and even those who are employed work for slave wages that they can't possible live on. So let me ask CONGRESS why spend 250 million a year on public awareness when you are not even set up to provide direct servcies to the victims. The solution lies with providing teens and women with long term housing, medical care, counseling and education that will lead to jobs that pay wages that they can live on. These services need to be available to all women and children regardless of whether they are willing to exit the sex industry. What is with having this sick need to shame and blame people for trying to survive. I say we start telling the public the TRUTH, that cops can legally have sex with women and teens and they arrest them for prostitution under the guise of trafficking. God forbid if we allow the victim and sex workers to call and report who is threatening us, trying to exploit us, raping and robbing us or those who have tried to murder us. To back up my claims here are some links with the stat's taking right off the fbi and Justice Dept websites but this isn't what we are reporting to the public. http://www.iswface.org/
http://www.policeprostitutionandpoli...rafficking.pdf
Anyone that does not support the rights of sex workers are promoting violence against sex workers and victims of trafficking. If you want to be apart of the solution and not the problem, then please support our court case,
Our courtcase (esplerp.org)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwBbtUu_oTI
In Rhode Island indoor prostitution was decriminalized from 1979 until 2009 when law enforcement insisted criminalizing us was the only way to rescue victims of sex trafficking, yet its almost 5 years later and they still haven't found any trafficking victims in Rhode Island. For over 30 years sex workers were free to work from home, hotels or spas, and these businesses paid taxes and spent their money in the local businesses. They caught the Craigslist killer because after he killed the girl in Boston he went to Rhode Island and robbed a escort and she dialed 911, because she did not have to fear being arrested, and guess what he was caught.
Its time we stop trying to abolish prostitution under the guise of trafficking, as law enforcement can't even police 1% of the sex industry on a good day.
Here is my experience on trying to report a real victim that was being exploited and how nobody bothered to investigate.
http://legalizetoprotect.blogspot.co...d-escorts.html
So lets ask CONGRESS how many murdered sex workers does it take before you see the HUGE human rights violations. Lets not forget even the anti prostitution pledge was struck down as being unconstitutional. No doubt many other laws regarding indoor prostitution are also unconstitutional. Congress has made some pretty silly statements, "that we need to stop trafficking and all prostitution to stop HIV" now just because CONGRESS said this doesn't make it true.
Sex workers are your sisters, mothers, cousins aunts, children and neighbors, and they are PEOPLE that deserve the right to dial 911 and report violence. Law enforcement refers to sex workers as NPI, for "No Human Involved" and they are promoting violence against the most vulnerable members of society.
The next problem, if I can uncover the truth why does the media keep publishing all these myths and misconceptions surrounding sex work and call it trafficking. Why has the media allowed itself to become part of the Moral Witch Hunt.
Perhaps its that promoting hate crimes against sex workers is what sells in the media?
Its time to change the social perception that she wasn't a person, she was a "prostitute". No one wants to feel a sense of community or sameness with her. She was something other than us and therefore we don’t need to feel fear or grief at the fact or the manner of her death.
http://coyoteri.org/index.php
The reason this is so easy for them to do, is because the adult community is not taking action. Everyone needs to step up and go to esplerp.rog and donate to the legal fund. In Rhode Island we got decriminalized in Rhode Island in 1979 because Margo St James filed the case Coyote Vs Roberts and we were criminalized again in 2009 when LE insisted they had to criminalize us to investigate human trafficking, yet no trafficking has been found in Rhode Island.
This new law also makes anyone that hires an illegal immigrant a trafficker, and I doubt your checking peoples immigration status, the feds say they are investigating any escort under 26, and we know this is another lie as they arrest middle aged escorts all the time.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is law enforcement and congress not concerned that every major city has thousands of homeless teens, and then after these teens enter the sex trade to survive, magically they care and find beds at rescue shelters that are usually empty 90% of the time.?
Why do we keep conflating sex work with sex trafficking, as this latest nationwide sting also arrested over 800 consenting adults, yet they only mention the 101 victims and 100 pimps. Since drivers, bookers, boyfriends and anyone a sex worker supports is deemed a pimp and that any commercial sex act is considered trafficking it makes us wonder how many of these 101 people were even a real victim.
In the past 20 years over 14.5 million Americans have been arrested for prostitution and disorderly conduct, and yet there were less than 4500 trafficking victims in 20 years. The justice dept and FBI keep publishing false information saying that there are 300,000 teens being exploited in the US, but they can't seem to find them. These irresponsible polices must stop to protect both the victims and the sex workers. Criminalization only creates the perfect playground for predators and bad cops to rob, rape, exploit and murder sex workers and victims. Sex workers are also denied victim assistance after reporting serve violence as they are deemed criminals.
Have you watched the recently released film "American Courtesans" which is the only documentary made by the sex workers themselves?
Why are we not discussing the 300 cops that have sexual assualting kids and gotten less than 3 years, or the priests that rape our kids under the guise of religion. My research has shown me that the number of online escorts has doubled in the past 2 to 3 years. If your between 15 and 30 there is a 80% chance your unemployed and even those who are employed work for slave wages that they can't possible live on. So let me ask CONGRESS why spend 250 million a year on public awareness when you are not even set up to provide direct servcies to the victims. The solution lies with providing teens and women with long term housing, medical care, counseling and education that will lead to jobs that pay wages that they can live on. These services need to be available to all women and children regardless of whether they are willing to exit the sex industry. What is with having this sick need to shame and blame people for trying to survive. I say we start telling the public the TRUTH, that cops can legally have sex with women and teens and they arrest them for prostitution under the guise of trafficking. God forbid if we allow the victim and sex workers to call and report who is threatening us, trying to exploit us, raping and robbing us or those who have tried to murder us. To back up my claims here are some links with the stat's taking right off the fbi and Justice Dept websites but this isn't what we are reporting to the public. http://www.iswface.org/
http://www.policeprostitutionandpoli...rafficking.pdf
Anyone that does not support the rights of sex workers are promoting violence against sex workers and victims of trafficking. If you want to be apart of the solution and not the problem, then please support our court case,
Our courtcase (esplerp.org)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwBbtUu_oTI
In Rhode Island indoor prostitution was decriminalized from 1979 until 2009 when law enforcement insisted criminalizing us was the only way to rescue victims of sex trafficking, yet its almost 5 years later and they still haven't found any trafficking victims in Rhode Island. For over 30 years sex workers were free to work from home, hotels or spas, and these businesses paid taxes and spent their money in the local businesses. They caught the Craigslist killer because after he killed the girl in Boston he went to Rhode Island and robbed a escort and she dialed 911, because she did not have to fear being arrested, and guess what he was caught.
Its time we stop trying to abolish prostitution under the guise of trafficking, as law enforcement can't even police 1% of the sex industry on a good day.
Here is my experience on trying to report a real victim that was being exploited and how nobody bothered to investigate.
http://legalizetoprotect.blogspot.co...d-escorts.html
So lets ask CONGRESS how many murdered sex workers does it take before you see the HUGE human rights violations. Lets not forget even the anti prostitution pledge was struck down as being unconstitutional. No doubt many other laws regarding indoor prostitution are also unconstitutional. Congress has made some pretty silly statements, "that we need to stop trafficking and all prostitution to stop HIV" now just because CONGRESS said this doesn't make it true.
Sex workers are your sisters, mothers, cousins aunts, children and neighbors, and they are PEOPLE that deserve the right to dial 911 and report violence. Law enforcement refers to sex workers as NPI, for "No Human Involved" and they are promoting violence against the most vulnerable members of society.
The next problem, if I can uncover the truth why does the media keep publishing all these myths and misconceptions surrounding sex work and call it trafficking. Why has the media allowed itself to become part of the Moral Witch Hunt.
Perhaps its that promoting hate crimes against sex workers is what sells in the media?
Its time to change the social perception that she wasn't a person, she was a "prostitute". No one wants to feel a sense of community or sameness with her. She was something other than us and therefore we don’t need to feel fear or grief at the fact or the manner of her death.
http://coyoteri.org/index.php
- Choreographer7
- 08-20-2013, 06:44 PM
Thanks for the info Gina. BTW, I just watched "American Courtesans" on your recommendation. It was great. I was surprised to see you in it. Along with the other ladies, you were fantastic!