Did she have a real orgasm or did she fake it?

I don't remember I always fall asleep afterwards.

Captain Pike said it best, "If you believe the illusion, it's a good as real"

I agree with every single post by London Rayne in this thread. SO TRUE!!! Why do you men care so much if the provider cum?

Well, it could be that we've been trained by GF's, SO's and some very horny providers who demand that they get their O's. Sorry if we have a hard time differentiating between those gals and those who don't view it as a priority.

And let's face it, giving and receiving O's is seen as a sign of sexual proficiency by both sexes. Look at popular women's magazines like Cosmopolitan which constantly have articles about the Big O. Gee, and porn is all about having O's seemingly every 30 seconds.

But I've paid attention to the points made in this thread. I now know that it's not about the destination; it's about the journey. I'll be sure to tell that to the next woman who is fuming in frustration that I didn't finish the deed and get her off. "How was the trip, baby?"

Like London said, unlike men, most of women's orgasms are mental....not much to do with the guy's talent.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I've been told, and common sense confirms this, that after the donation, most providers want a guy who is (a) safe, (b) clean and hygienic, and (c) fun. If a guy has these basic qualities the ladies will relax and enjoy the session, and if they enjoy the session they are more likely to have the bell rung.

Civilians are the same way. If they are given a safe, secure and relaxing atmosphere, great things can happen. And, not surprisingly, the same thing applies to most guys.

So, yes, I believe female orgasms, at least for some women, are conceived in the brain and hatched in the boudoir.

And she is also right about vaginal contractions....every woman can do it....not hard at all. :-) Sorry to bring you the truth! Hehehe!!

Abraham Lincoln famously said: "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

I''m not sure if you are implying that many, if not most, providers fake it, but while any woman can do Kegel's (hell, my urologist makes me do them), and anyone can moan and thrash about, certain physiological responses are hard to to fake, such as convulsive abdominal contractions, blushing, skin blotching, and light post orgasmic sweat. The other counter to this notion of great fakery is that most providers don't have the energy or desire to go to elaborate lengths to fool shiftless mongers. Too much work.

Sometimes I can't tell if a woman is really having an orgasm, and I'm sure I've been fooled, but the perception is the reality and my ego is still stroked, so I don't care. But, just like the Great Emancipator said, you can't fool all the people all the time, or as amended to suit my purposes, "you can't fool awl awl the time." Originally Posted by samantha thom

I have a session scheduled for tomorrow with one of our area's revered providers. I'll be watching very closely see if she is scamming me.

As women who spend as much time around men as you do surely you would understand why some men care that the woman they are having sex with orgasms

I have a session scheduled for tomorrow with one of our area's revered providers. I'll be watching very closely see if she is scamming me. Originally Posted by awl4knot

Don't forget to enjoy yourself.

It has been said before, but it definitely is the journey.

I can't say I've given my partner an orgasm everytime I've had sex, because honestly, sometimes I'm not on my game.

However, when I have, usually it's because I'm not rushing toward some goal, but rather enjoying the time with my girl.

I would also say not having preconceived notions. I think sometimes I "play out" a sexual encounter in my head rather than letting it flow naturally. That's definitely not in the moment.

Flirt with your girl all day. Treat her right and with respect. Eat the pussy (do it well) and just enjoy her as the goddess she is and she might get there anyway. If she doesn't, she will probably enjoy the ride anyway.

It has been said before, but it definitely is the journey.

I can't say I've given my partner an orgasm everytime I've had sex, because honestly, sometimes I'm not on my game.

However, when I have, usually it's because I'm not rushing toward some goal, but rather enjoying the time with my girl.

I would also say not having preconceived notions. I think sometimes I "play out" a sexual encounter in my head rather than letting it flow naturally. That's definitely not in the moment.

Flirt with your girl all day. Treat her right and with respect. Eat the pussy (do it well) and just enjoy her as the goddess she is and she might get there anyway. If she doesn't, she will probably enjoy the ride anyway. Originally Posted by MrGoodBar

When I treat women like a goddess, they transform into an MOAB (Mother of All Bitches). It can work if she's treating me like a god, but generally two regular people works for me. Also, no daty for me.

Other than that, I agree. When I leave the checklist at home, the show tends to be better.

I have a session scheduled for tomorrow with one of our area's revered providers. I'll be watching very closely see if she is scamming me. Originally Posted by awl4knot

Don't forget to enjoy yourself. Originally Posted by emptywallet

emptywallet,

I took your advice to heart and I did enjoy myself - immensely.

But there was no scamming; it was just the opposite.

I've seen Ashley many times and we spent the first 30 minutes chatting (that's social intercourse, right?) but when we got to play time, Ashley quickly suggested 69. Although she had warned me that she hadn't had sex in a bit, I was surprised at how fast she revved up and she started to moan (which meant she had forsaken her end of the bargain) and press her loins against my face, and then she jumped off with a little yelp.

I thought I may have hurt her and asked, "What's the matter?" She gave me this "are you that stupid look?" and responded, "When I hump your face like that I am cumming, and you know sensitive my clit gets when I cum." So the reality was that I was slow on the uptake but she made sure that I knew that her bell was rung. There is no quit and no scam in my lovely Ashley Dior.

The thing is, this is NOT about a girlfriend...we are not here to put PRESSURE on you guys of any kind. If you go into a date so hell bent on insisting a provider has a REAL orgasm, that is no different than a provider saying, "Are you gonna cum, are you..how much longer?" Does that make you get there faster? I think not...just the opposite in fact. "Wanting her to enjoy her time with you" is one thing, but demanding she must have a real orgasm for YOU to be happy, is another.

I can only speak for myself, but I do appreciate you guys who at least try to get me off...it certainly helps with the lubrication factor, and sex is easier with it, than without. Just know, that if I don't cum, that does not mean I did not "enjoy" it. My body has changed as I am getting older, and I am not yet at that "prime" that so many women in their late 30s, and 40s speak of, but it is getting better I can assure you lol.

When I first started providing, it was no gfe, no kissing, and one pop. I never had an orgasm. Now, I can pretty much get off with anyone regardless of what they look like, as long as that person is not hurting me physically.

So, for the guys what truly do care about the provider getting hers...great, but don't make that concern so demanding it becomes pressure vs. pleasure.

There is no pressure with Ms. Dior and me. We are hobby buds and what happens, happens. She just happened to be horny and I was there to relieve that "pressure."

For my part, I had "issues." What happened happened and I took my pleasure in different ways. I think that's the mature approach to hobbying and everyone went their separate ways satisfied and fulfilled, but maybe not in the popular sense. You take what you can get and learn to savor it.

Semi-random, semi-thread-related thought....

It's really hard to fake a BNG.

haha you can always tell when I orgasm (it's probably the only time I actually SHUT UP) ...I get super quiet, grit my teeth (yea idk why) ... and my arms legs tighten up ... and if you're not sure if it's real or not...talk to me afterwards...if it was good I lose my ability to form sentences!
true story

haha you can always tell when I orgasm (it's probably the only time I actually SHUT UP) ...I get super quiet, grit my teeth (yea idk why) ... and my arms legs tighten up ... and if you're not sure if it's real or not...talk to me afterwards...if it was good I lose my ability to form sentences!
true story Originally Posted by Brittanybellastar

The problem with providing this much detail is that the check-listers now have more to check....

"Super quiet, check.
Teeth gritting (grinding?), check.
Arms tight, check.
Legs tight, check.
Complete sentences!

Dammit, that lying......!!!!"

p.s. You're hot.

9 times out of 10 I could care a less if she has an "O".. As long as I get mine it is all good to me..

And what happens the 10% of the time that you do care about her having an orgasm?

Or are you just blowing smoke about the 10% and you never care if she has an orgasm?