Obama Finally Says "He Is Sorry" For Obamacare

If the program were voluntary, he'd have a point (which would be a first). But it's not. The fault lies with Congress, not the recipients. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

The recipients elected the congress.

WPF's SS argument is ridiculous. I'm tired of hearing it. SS and Medicare are NOT voluntary. The government forces people to pay a predetermined amount, and in return agrees to provide certain services. There is no option to pay more in, to receive the same services.

If the program were voluntary, he'd have a point (which would be a first). But it's not. The fault lies with Congress, not the recipients. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You dumb ignorant fuck. Old fuckers have expanded Medicare and SS services. The government used to not pay for granny's old folks home. That was not in the agreement.

The problem with this country is dumbshits like you who have no math skills or history of facts. You are just another political hack who thinks you are above the fray. At least I understand that there are only two choices and I have the balls to pick a side. Are you Swiss?

http://www.reportingonhealth.org/201...end-life-costs

There's little question that end-of-life care consumes a disproportionate amount of Medicare spending, accounting for up to 25 percent of all Medicare expenditures. Amy Kelley, a professor at the Mt. Sinai School of Medicine, found that out-of-pocket expenses for beneficiaries averaged $38,688 during the last five years of life. Median spending for recipients is about $23,000. The top quarter of those surveyed (using data from the University of Michigan Health and Retirement Study) spent an average of $102,000.
Some Medicare beneficiaries don’t purchase Medicare Supplement Insurance (Medigap), so they are responsible for deductibles and co-payments, which can spiral during the last years of life, and Medicare provides no limit on out-of-pocket spending. So patients often tap all of their assets just to pay their share of the bills: "Twenty-five percent spent all remaining assets, including any housing or real estate they might own,” Dr. Kelley said. “The frequency tended to be lower among Medicare beneficiaries who were married; higher among those who were single."
Dr. Kelley also found that dementia was the most expensive malady to treat. Since Medicare doesn't cover custodial nursing care—and only a limited amount of skilled institutional nursing—families are often forced to spend their life savings to cover the bills. And once they do that, they often then rely upon Medicaid to pay for the remaining expenditures. In many cases, beneficiaries will deliberately spend down their savings in creative ways in order to qualify for Medicaid so nursing care will be covered.
Medicaid, the health program for the poor, was never designed to cover nursing home care, but has become a last-resort financing pool for those families that become impoverished by end-of-life care. This growing cost will escalate as the incidence of Alzheimer's disease grows and as baby boomers get older.

The recipients elected the congress. Originally Posted by Doove

Wait that would mean that COG is part of the problem, just like we all are. Our nutty wack jobs think they are above the fray!

WPF's SS argument is ridiculous. I'm tired of hearing it. SS and Medicare are NOT voluntary. The government forces people to pay a predetermined amount, and in return agrees to provide certain services. There is no option to pay more in, to receive the same services.

If the program were voluntary, he'd have a point (which would be a first). But it's not. The fault lies with Congress, not the recipients. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

The moronic buffoon has been going on about this for years! AND he's contended that the Social Security and Medicare liability comes out of a different budget so its NO concern for future generations. Just moronic.

I'm just waiting for him to work racial epithets into this old saw.

The moronic buffoon has been going on about this for years! AND he's contended that the Social Security and Medicare liability comes out of a different budget so its NO concern for future generations. Just moronic.

. Originally Posted by gnadfly

I've never said it is of no concern for future generations. In fact I have argued just the opposite. LBJ started this slight of hand. He basically raided SS much like Reagan.

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=7926

I'm just waiting for him to work racial epithets into this old saw. Originally Posted by gnadfly

You boys have never said if calling Obama a Porch Monkey was a racial epithet. What's a matter? can't find your balls! Here is a hint; Look under COG's chin.

No politician is in office with my vote. I'd completely privatize SS and Medicare. Then the ability of mainly Democrats to demagogue those programs would be gone. These programs have been a vote getting tool for politicians since their inception. Congress could take leadership, and fix it, but they won't.

I've never said it is of no concern for future generations. In fact I have argued just the opposite. LBJ started this slight of hand. He basically raided SS much like Reagan.

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=7926 Originally Posted by WTF

Bullshit, you and Mazo had some cluster suckoff thread about what budget this came out of years ago. You finally woke up - maybe.

You boys have never said if calling Obama a Porch Monkey was a racial epithet. What's a matter? can't find your balls! Here is a hint; Look under COG's chin. Originally Posted by WTF

What one poster wrote was appropriately addressed by the Mod in charge of this forum.

You are the person repeatedly using the "n word" and term "darkie"...and a the self admitted racist. That's right, YOU. Not others - WTF!

What's funny is that in your moronic buffoon mind you somehow think its justified.

That's why you have no credibility outside the the few certifiables in the Austin Reach around Crew.

Do YOU agree with that being an OK term to describe an African American, gonad?

CC has his opinion. What's yours?

Do YOU agree with that being an OK term to describe an African American, gonad?

CC has his opinion. What's yours? Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

gnadfly does not have the balls to offer up one. None have. They only call you and I race baiters for pointing out what a racist term it was.

Bullshit, you and Mazo had some cluster suckoff thread about what budget this came out of years ago. You finally woke up - maybe.



. Originally Posted by gnadfly

what I have said for years , since aspd is that we are robbing SS. Mostly that Reagan cut taxes on the one hand and raised them on the other. Had a huge bump in military spending and paid for it like LBJ did, with the surplus SS funds. I've understood that fact for decades.

What one poster wrote was appropriately addressed by the Mod in charge of this forum.

You are the person repeatedly using the "n word" and term "darkie"...and a the self admitted racist. That's right, YOU. Not others - WTF!

What's funny is that in your moronic buffoon mind you somehow think its justified.

That's why you have no credibility outside the the few certifiables in the Austin Reach around Crew. Originally Posted by gnadfly

I have quoted a paper that shows we are all racist, sexist and ageist. Those that do not admit it will never work past it, probably because you do not want to. Is it because you are intellectually lazy? Are you black? If so, Should I call you a Porch Monkey?

WPF read a paper (or had it read to him). Now he's an expert. Hey WPF, I read a paper once. It was identical to a post you made here, that you passed off as your own.

He read a paper.

That would probably fly around here, if not for the fact that not one single repub in the originating assembly voted for it Originally Posted by nwarounder

You do know that all but 5 (Reps) had agreed to vote for it after the changes they wanted were made and at the last minute they didnt, When asked why they didn't vote yes the answer was they never intended to vote for it they just wanted to mess it up to make Obama look bad. So how basically they endorsed it and chicken out on the vote or flat fucked it up for us all. You decide. I have respect for the 5 that stayed out of it. The others are cowards.

The recipients elected the congress. Originally Posted by Doove

Actually, that is a mathematically incorrect statements.

The recipients number ZERO right now.

Unless you want to count those who have lost their job and/or their insurance as "recipients"!

And they probably didn't vote for the ones in Congress who voted FOR THE ACA ....

.. and/or will not vote for them again.

I've never said it is of no concern for future generations. In fact I have argued just the opposite. LBJ started this slight of hand. He basically raided SS much like Reagan.
Originally Posted by WTF

1963 ... 20,715,000,000

1968......28,729,000,000

1981 .... 24,539,000,000

1988 .... 109, 762, 000, 000

I've understood that fact for decades. Originally Posted by WTF

Since you have "understood" the above statement for "decades," then it will not be difficult at all for you to put your "hands" (or fingers in this case) on a legitimate, governmental source that DEMONSTRATES as a fact that ....


either LBJ or Reagan ... took SS funds from the trust fund an used them on military.

1001 .. 1002 ... 1003 .... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz