Scottish Independence

Economically, it would be a debacle for both Scotland and the UK. As a general rule, economies prosper when barriers to trade and capital flow are removed and integration is fostered, not vice versa. Originally Posted by lustylad

That's what the people who benefit economically want you to think. They hope to scare enough people into believing that so they can maintain their power.
Myself, I think the smaller the country, the less power for politicians. Plus, California and Texas can both follow Scotland's lead if the deal works out. Everyone will survive, and money is not everything.

I have played Pebble and it will not be in the rotation.
Scotland has it's own Open championship but it is not The Open.

First thing that an independent Scotland has to do is to get money for every plaid school girl dress and sue McDonalds to change their name. Then their going to have to outlaw or license cabers. We wouldn't want to start hearing about drive by caber tossings.

That's what the people who benefit economically want you to think. They hope to scare enough people into believing that so they can maintain their power. Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

Actually, both sides benefit from free and unfettered trade and capital flows. It's a win-win. And putting up restrictions is a lose-lose. If the Brits are so keen to maintain their "power" over the Scots, why have they been devolving it for years? I understand Scottish nationalism but independence is not without cost.

As in Scotland, that is an issue for the people of Quebec to decide. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

The people of Quebec already decided, in 1980 and again in 1995. The secessionists lost both times.

And COG - if I see you out on a building ledge thinking about jumping, I won't try to talk you out of it. That's for you to decide!

Why the Scots don't use viagra...

The people of Quebec already decided, in 1980 and again in 1995. The secessionists lost both times.

And COG - if I see you out on a building ledge thinking about jumping, I won't try to talk you out of it. That's for you to decide! Originally Posted by lustylad

You're right. Quebec decided on their own. Scotland can do the same. Why is it even an issue?

I won't be standing on a ledge too soon. I love being alive way too much. As crappy as things are in the world, life is still a blast!

Interesting, Scotland is UK's largest welfare state; a tremendous amount of wealth transfer goes from England to support Scotland's welfare state. In addition, Scotland is extremely liberal. Should Scotland vote for independence, those welfare benefits will no longer continue, in addition, the Labor Party in England will be sidelined.

Life for the English could be greatly enhanced should Scotland vote yes. The welfare state greatly reduced, wealth transfer stopped, and a more conservative electorate in control of England's destiny.

Interesting, Scotland is UK's largest welfare state; a tremendous amount of wealth transfer goes from England to support Scotland's welfare state. In addition, Scotland is extremely liberal. Should Scotland vote for independence, those welfare benefits will no longer continue, in addition, the Labor Party in England will be sidelined.

Life for the English could be greatly enhanced should Scotland vote yes. The welfare state greatly reduced, wealth transfer stopped, and a more conservative electorate in control of England's destiny. Originally Posted by Whirlaway

+1

Sic Semper Tyrannis

Can you blame the Scots? We broke away from England ourselves back in 1776...
You conservatives in the US should do the same from the US government which oppresses you as much as it can...there is no shame in seeking freedom from tyranny.

Apparently, in the vote going on for independence in Scotland, seeking to throw off such oppressive government in London, the "yes" vote has pulled to even and the statists are going all out to stop those seeking freedom and forcing the Scots to remain in Great Britain. Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

You're an idiot. As much as I hate to say it, Whirlaway got it right above.

The Scots are a pack of bleeding socialists, much further left of center that the Brits. Why are YOU taking their side? I thought you hate socialists.

Tyranny? What tyranny? They are fleeing capitalism, because that is what out-of-control labor unionists do.

This shit is going to blow up in their faces. Right now, Scotland is propped up by England - especially its health care system. If these mopes get their wish, they immediately have to cut spending and raise taxes. England should tell them "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out".

Before 1707 there was no such thing as "British". There were Englishmen and Scots. If they break up, there will once again be no such thing as "British"

Great Britain has been the most successful political union of two nations in history. And for what reason is it breaking up after 300 years? Can anybody spell out a GOOD reason?

It just seems like base resentment of Londoners. Scots are listening to their bile, not their brains.

This is yet another example that culture and tribe matter in this world as much as economics and politics. Many on the left think everything can be explained in tems of class and economics.

But this can't be.

Anymore than Arab xenophobia and Islamic radicalism can be..

Interesting, Scotland is UK's largest welfare state; a tremendous amount of wealth transfer goes from England to support Scotland's welfare state. In addition, Scotland is extremely liberal. Should Scotland vote for independence, those welfare benefits will no longer continue, in addition, the Labor Party in England will be sidelined.

Life for the English could be greatly enhanced should Scotland vote yes. The welfare state greatly reduced, wealth transfer stopped, and a more conservative electorate in control of England's destiny. Originally Posted by Whirlaway

The majority party in Scotland is very liberal, pacifist, and anti-nuke. They have already said that they will rid themselves of the nuclear deterrent that England has in Scotland and I expect that they will demand that the US submarines in Holy Lock will have to get out. Plus, they don't expect to put together a defensive force in this brave new, liberal world. So England will have to worry about someone coming down from the north in about ten years after they take over a peaceful Scotland. Привет мой друг

The Scottish people have the right to vote their independence ; but it will be a shame if independence is won with only 51-53% approval.

last time i check innovation, creativity and idea help make money ... if someone with political connection STEALING THESE IDEA and DRUGGING your memory|poison retarded crazy to coverup

If Scotland votes out of the UK; what happens to their fair share of the UK debt which is now at $1.5 trillion (pounds)?

World Court, here we come....this thing could be litigated for decades.

Let's find some humor in all this.........=>

You're an idiot. As much as I hate to say it, Whirlaway got it right above.

The Scots are a pack of bleeding socialists, much further left of center that the Brits. Why are YOU taking their side? I thought you hate socialists.

Tyranny? What tyranny? They are fleeing capitalism, because that is what out-of-control labor unionists do.

This shit is going to blow up in their faces. Right now, Scotland is propped up by England - especially its health care system. If these mopes get their wish, they immediately have to cut spending and raise taxes. England should tell them "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out".

Before 1707 there was no such thing as "British". There were Englishmen and Scots. If they break up, there will once again be no such thing as "British"

Great Britain has been the most successful political union of two nations in history. And for what reason is it breaking up after 300 years? Can anybody spell out a GOOD reason?

It just seems like base resentment of Londoners. Scots are listening to their bile, not their brains.

This is yet another example that culture and tribe matter in this world as much as economics and politics. Many on the left think everything can be explained in tems of class and economics.

But this can't be.

Anymore than Arab xenophobia and Islamic radicalism can be.. Originally Posted by ExNYer

Look, you rude potato farmer/sand mucker, it is a small, tiny and essentially irrelevant country of 5 million people if they break off, much like your leprechaun loving cousins back in the old country.

Q. How many Irishmen have won the Nobel Prize in science?
A. Let's go to a Pub and not worry about it..top of the mornin' to you!

If they are indeed union loving liberal socialists, why not let them break off and try their experiment with pure socialism, let it fall on its face, and prove out the conservative ideas you and I apparently, somehow have in common?

I'm not afraid of the truth, nor am I afraid of breaking up the world order, which sucks as far as I'm concerned, anyway. Smaller countries with more responsive leadership and greater individual liberty sounds good to me.

Give me liberty, or give me death!!