As if that somehow legitimizes or deflects what was done.I am not saying it legitimized slavery. What I am saying is slavery ran across race lines. So all this talk of white oppression on African slaves is one sided. That's what nobody wants to talk about.
Bottom line is, No slavery, no Civil War. All the rest is just bullshit rationalizations. Originally Posted by timpage
It's not as simple as all that and it's easy to draw some pretty distinct differences between Nazi's and Confederates, not the least of which is that slavery was an institution with a history in the south (and the north) as opposed to the slaughter of the jews which was instituted within a decade of the Nazi's taking power.Look, it's a great piece of history, I'll give you that.
But, the analogy of flying the Swastika is a good one. You think jewish folks might be understandably outraged if the capital in Germany was flying the swastika? It's unthinkable. Why should black Americans be any less outraged? Originally Posted by timpage
Look, it's a great piece of history, I'll give you that.
But that's exactly why it needs to be in a museum, and not a statehouse flag.
I, for one, don't mind Nazi memorabilia in museums.
You can say that slavery was only part of it. For the sake of argument, let's say that it was a very, very minuscule part of it (obviously untrue).
To blacks, however, that's all it will ever be about. Can you honestly say that there is one self-respecting white man who isn't, at the very least, slightly racist, who would want to support the confederate flag?
They know exactly what it is, and exactly what it does. That is why it isn't such a "coincidence" that every titty bar filled with racist rednecks flies the confederate flag.
It's not only offensive to blacks, it should be offensive to whites as well. I don't mean to sound like a hypersensitive hippie, but every time we support or otherwise glorify the confederate flag, we support a way of life that was marked by one of the worst atrocities ever committed.
When has it ever happened that a state or country allows the losing side to still fly their flag? The confederates lost and they should get over it. Originally Posted by shanm
Exactly WHICH Austin are you spewing about, you Wikipedia dropout?The "Stars and Bars" are flying high in Austin, you Mussulman-luvin, Hitler worshipping, lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM.
Don't go there unless you're prepared to take a crash course in Texas history.
DIPSHIT!
(Oh and BTW, the "Stars and Bars" you now seem to embrace is not the flag that we Texans are used to seeing as one of the Six... but feel free to salute this!)
And, while you're rubbing down your flagpole, why not let us know what you're planning to do this year on Burn a Confederate Flag Day?
And your point? Originally Posted by Old-TOnly really stupid people attribute hate and overt acts of violence to inanimate objects, Old-THUMPER. Take note, Old-THUMPER, hatred is expressed in Toledo with the "Stars and Stripes" but without the St Andrews Cross:
I am not saying it legitimized slavery. What I am saying is slavery ran across race lines. So all this talk of white oppression on African slaves is one sided. That's what nobody wants to talk about.This is about our situation in the United states. Don't try and make it about something else. Slavery is wrong, regardless of who is on what side.
Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin
Typical bullshit. I know, let’s blame the gun for shooting those poor people -- take down all ads for guns and don’t allow facebook or youtube postings of people with guns. Wait, didn’t Obama blame the gun first and the crazy MF second? Fine, take the flag off the state land, but you can’t erase it from use by crazy MF’s trying to justify their hatred. Doesn’t bother me if they move it “offsite”, but it is the height of naiveté to think the flag played a role in the murder of innocent people. Let’s vote to outlaw the ISIS flag – maybe that will defeat ISIS. Originally Posted by SickpuppyIt's the height of naivete to think it had no role at all. It stands for a larger attitude.
Take down the Confederate battle rag from any state or federal building.There's only ONE Confederate Battle Flag flying on South Carolina state grounds and it's flying at some Civil War Memorial. They took the CBF down from the state capital in 2001.
If rednecks insist on displaying it, let them fly it in the titty bars where they hang out. That's where it belongs. Originally Posted by ExNYer
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