A tough call for the left; radical Islam versus gay rights

Do you have any idea about what you are babbling? I didn't think so.




Originally Posted by LexusLover

Pretty thick, aren't you?

I'll walk you through it. It's okay for you to crawl.

No yelling today? Took a Xanax?

You like mixing all your shit in one bowl.Instead of addressing the issues separately you've lumped them all together. That's one of the reasons you don't get it. He was already here so how could he be stopped from getting in? He couldn't be. You keep ranting about keeping people out. The OP is about a guy who was born here. Keeping people out is one of your extra ingredients you added. It's a terrorism issue but not for this one..
Did you catch that? He was already here. So that means the feds didn't fuck up. The feds didn't know anything about him. You came up with that would make the victim's families feel betterThat subject wouldn't come up at the memorial. You talk about the victims at the service. They don't politicize it like you guys do. They stay on topic. Keeping foreign terrorist out is a different topic.
Thanks for pointing out I said "good job". I meant great job. If it was easy we'd hear about an attack a day if not multiple attacks. How many get through? It's impossible to stop them all.

I posted the feds were doing a pretty good job. And I added it was a moot point because he was here already.
Originally Posted by Munchmasterman
If it's so easy, why aren't there attacks every day? The government is doing a pretty good job stopping terrorists coming into the country. Not perfect. Pretty good.
But it's a moot point in this case because he was already here.
It's too bad you weren't invited to speak at the services ....

....for the latest "batch of victims"! (There were only 14 last time!)

I'm sure your words of praise will be comforting ...

.... that's why the CIC is heading that way! He'll be your stand in.

Also, there are some pretty spiffy golf courses down in Florida!

But I'm glad you mentioned the "good job" being done. Hillary can address that while she was "in the White House" ..... "last time"!
Then you started off on the service with a bunch of stupid accusations that had nothing to do with what I said or what would be said at a memorial service.

Which brings us back to you throw all your shit in one bowl. And very little of it germane to the posts I made.

This is the last time I'm staying after with you. Either you're not up to the task or you're trying to waste my time.

Look, you never said a word when Assup posted a video of a klansman catching himself on fire and he posted the caption "burn baby burn".
Presumably, he was an American, but you really don't care at all about a person who you consider dirt dying, just because he holds basically the same opinions as the founding fathers of this country you worship so fucking much- i.e. only white men count for a full person.
Let's keep on topic. If you want to discuss a Klansman burning himself up, start a thread. The OP is about murder. You're trying to divert the discussion to suicide. You were the one who said if it weren't for white men we wouldn't be the greatest country in the world. In one post you worship them and in another you use them to find fault with my post.
"What could possibly go wrong kicking out the white men who made this the greatest country in the world? dsk"
Fuck man, let's just make a deal. I want to get rid of the terrorist bastards who are killing your gay friends, and proudly proclaim it to be approved by Allah and an action which furthers their scheme to turn our country into a Muslim caliphate. You love gays and want them to prosper, so let's not give their fellow terrorists an easy route into our country .Let's make a deal where you say what's on your mind and I'll say what's on mine. That will cut your bullshit in half

Get your head out of your ass!!! Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

If it's so easy, why aren't there attacks every day? The government is doing a pretty good job stopping terrorists coming into the country. Not perfect. Pretty good.
But it's a moot point in this case because he was already here.[/QUOTE]

You jumbled everything in that post together, so I'm not sure if your intended audience can tell who said what. However, I do agree with your assertion that the FBI is thwarting terrorist attacks, and doing a pretty good job of it.

I disagree with your premise that I cannot bring in a corollary argument not related to the topic just because it isn't strictly the subject of the OP. I can and did connect the implied idea that Assup doesn't really care about all life, just those he deems worthy of his respect. I suspect you are the same.

I will illustrate the point better, and concede the point you previously made about me not caring about the unfortunate gay victims of Orlando. Now that I found out no pretty lipstick lesbians were harmed in the shooting, and it was just gay men, I'm not concerned about it in particular. However, I don't advocate it, nor would I want it to happen again. For some, it would be considered compassion fatigue, but fuck it, I just don't like gay men.

(Except for the ones who are now going to vote for Mr. Trump because of his understanding of the Muslim threat.)

Again, the connected point is you and the other liberals don't care about all the people killed in Chicago every weekend, or the Klansman who set himself on fire, except as it validates your political points. So, under the rules of the forum, accepted common practice, and general discourse on a SHMB, I can bring up topics not strictly mentioned in the OP. The OP is a starting point.

It's the perfect analogy for what? For you. Start eating.

We have always let people in and we have always known some would be criminals, terrorists, etc You realize that don't you?
Probably not. Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

ummm. NO. you fucktard. we don't just let anyone in. but somehow, in your case someone screwed up eh?

this isn't the normal immigration process munchy. you are aware that ISIS is known to have obtained actual passport equipment in Iraq yeah? are you foolish enough to think ISIS won't exploit that? news flash they already have in Europe.

and they won't do so to get operatives in the US? yeah .. you sleep real tight and don't let the terrorist bedbugs bite so you feel real safe.

the areas these people come from is a war zone. there's no usual background process all legal immigrants rely on to immigrate here. there's no embassy they can present documents to. no reasonable checks. and probably won't be until that crap stops over there. if it ever does. until there .. .would you suggest we all just hold hands and sing Kumbaya?

yeah. that's a good idea.

Why do you post things you know he can't comprehend? Originally Posted by LexusLover

What I can't comprehend is why you make posts about things I didn't say. You're wrong half the time about things you "know" when the information is readily available even though you won't look it up. So why would you think you know what I'm thinking when the things you come up are stupid things you want to hear from me? You guys are agreeing with someone who doesn't know shit.
It's easy to tell you're ignorant and likely to stay that way.
The only questions you ask are close ended. Even the ones that sound open ended. Because you are looking for a certain answer and don't hear the answer if you don't agree with it.
You seldom do your own research. I.always check y'all's facts. If it turns out you were right and it was something I didn't know, then I learned something new. I know what I know. And I know how to find out things I don't. You know, what you call my superiority complex.

One more thing you're wrong about.

Pretty thick, aren't you? Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

All you had to do is post "NO"!

And at least I would have some respect for you.

Now I have none, loudmouth!

You have never "vetted" anyone, ...

.....or even have a clue as to how it's NOT DONE!

You can't hide from me behind all that blue bluster!

....there's no embassy they can present documents to. no reasonable checks. and probably won't be until that crap stops over there. if it ever does. until there .. .would you suggest we all just hold hands and sing Kumbaya?....... Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Waco .... this loudmouth couldn't "vet" his own ass with both hands. It's a waste!

He just makes a lot of noise with his Blue Blather.

ummm. NO. you fucktard. we don't just let anyone in. but somehow, Can you read?No shit asshole No one said just let anyone in in your case someone screwed up eh?

this isn't the normal immigration process munchy. no shit you are aware that ISIS is known to have obtained actual passport equipment in Iraq yeah? are you foolish enough to think ISIS won't exploit that?ISIS can make Syrian passports. Which need a US visa to enter the states. news flash they already have in Europe. Aren't you forgetting about a little 45 year war with people who had resources a thousand times better than ISIS? Remember the Cold War? With an enemy there was no real racial difference to profile? The Soviets could make just about any nationality passport.

and they won't do so to get operatives in the US? yeah .. you sleep real tight and don't let the terrorist bedbugs bite so you feel real safe.

the areas these people come from is a war zone. there's no usual background process all legal immigrants rely on to immigrate here. there's no embassy they can present documents to. no reasonable checks. and probably won't be until that crap stops over there. if it ever does. until there .. .would you suggest we all just hold hands and sing Kumbaya?
Why are you being a dumb shit? Bed bugs? Kumbaya? Glad you've given this some serious thought. If you were the only people to recognize the threat we'd still be fucked.
yeah. that's a good idea. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

And what are you going to do to help? You personally? You sure aren't going to miss a minute of sleep. Me neither. Because there's no way to stop them all. And you don't understand that and you'll continue to bitch. Plus you are probably just waiting on attacks so you can triumphantly proclaim you were right. Like dsk is doing. Because the chances are minute you'll be in any physical danger.

Yeah, we know there's a threat. We know you have no usable suggestions what we can do. We know you're a dumb ass who pushes a personal vagenda when that's the last distraction we need. Like little kids you demand attention and say stupid little kid things.
The major difference is that little kids are little kids.

All you had to do is post "NO"!

And at least I would have some respect for you.

Now I have none, loudmouth!

You have never "vetted" anyone, ...

.....or even have a clue as to how it's NOT DONE!

You can't hide from me behind all that blue bluster! Originally Posted by LexusLover

Gee. If only you told me what to post.
Why would I say no? And why would I give a shit whether you respect me or not? You're a faceless dumb ass not smart enough to know when he bitches beyond his depth.
I don't have a clue how it's not done? That makes a lot of sense. There's a billion ways not to do it. One of them is to listen to you

And you yelled when you said it. Perfect. No need to post your hypocritical rant about mistaken shouts.

I had no respect for you before I didn't reply the way you wanted. And that made the sleepy little boy mad.

Hide from you? I can't wait for you to respond.

Now we're back to the font cause that's all you have and it's nothing.

Now take your punk ass down the street.

I might respect you if you say "Yes sir."

Fuck it.

"Customarily people who shout erroneously believe that a louder voice improves communication, because, as you, the speaker is not able to communicate with the person TO WHOM they are attempting to communicate. That probably works for you around weak minded, wimps, but it shows your ignorance and inability to communicate ideas on an equal playing field." Lexus Lover

We know you're a dumb ass who pushes a personal vagenda when that's the last distraction we need. Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

What's a 'vagenda'? A vagina with an attitude?

What's a 'vagenda'? A vagina with an attitude? Originally Posted by gfejunkie

It has several meanings. I was using it as a whiney, bitchy guy's agenda of unrealistic up coming events that the person it was directed at would mischaracterize, lie about, or put words in the mouths of posters.

My guy? Then your guy opened Pandora's Box. He disbanded the military before he collected their weapons. Set up the prison system and forced a government on them they hated... It's not as simple as your talking points. Neither is getting rid of them.
No, ISIS was started in 2006.
Senator McCain pushed for arming Syrian rebels... ISIS got a bunch of the weapons too.


The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) seemed to come from nowhere as it grabbed territory in Iraq and Syria.
But where did it start?
CBS News traced ISIS back to a U.S. military prison.
"Camp Bucca was known as the largest, and one of the toughest, American prisons in Iraq...

The militant group ISIS was formed as a small insurgent group in Iraq in 2006. Swann noted that while they tried to create problems for the U.S. military, they had no money and no real ability to recruit."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-origins-of-isis-finding-the-birthplace-of-jihad/http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-origins-of-isis-finding-the-birthplace-of-jihad/

"However, Swann said that things began to fall apart when less than one year after the U.S. supplied Syrian “freedom fighters” with weapons, those weapons ended up in the hands of ISIS fighters.
Those ISIS fighters came from the group McCain insisted would help the U.S. overthrow Assad: the Free Syrian Army. Swann explained that the army was not only sending the Islamic State weapons, it was also sending them fighters." Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Your CBS News links don't work, you dickmunching fool. And your conclusion that ISIS was founded in 2006 is completely false. What Syrian rebels was John McCain pushing for us to arm in 2006? Oh wait, that wasn't until 5-6 years later! Funny how you play fast and loose with the dates – you only want to mention dates that coincide with Bush's tenure, and you deliberately omit those falling under Odumbo's watch.

Look, I already schooled your libtard Butt Buddy Wombhater (R.I.P.) on precisely this point six months ago. ISIS was created in 2011. Read and learn:

There was no ISIS... during the time we had troops in Iraq. We fought against al Queda in Iraq (AQI) and kicked them out of cities like Ramadi and Fallujah with the help of the Sunni Arab Awakening throughout Anbar Province. ISIS did not emerge as a branded competing jihadist group until 2011 when the catalysts I already mentioned came together - the unrest in Syria and the US pullout from Iraq.

Feel free to contact herfacechair for more history lessons. Originally Posted by lustylad

Better read the rest of the thread too, dickmuncherman. Don't come back and make me hand your ass to you the way I did to woomby.

If it's so easy, why aren't there attacks every day? The government is doing a pretty good job stopping terrorists coming into the country. Not perfect. Pretty good.
But it's a moot point in this case because he was already here. Originally Posted by DSK

You jumbled everything in that post together, so I'm not sure if your intended audience can tell who said what. However, I do agree with your assertion that the FBI is thwarting terrorist attacks, and doing a pretty good job of it.
Jumbled? My responses were in blue following sections of your post. They directly refered to those sections.
One line was in red. It had quotation marks followed by your handle indicating it was by you .
You went on to take me to task for not reading yssups post. On top of that, you acted like my response didn't show or say what you thought it should. A suicide is completely different from a murder. One of them is a choice. The other is forced upon a person. The suicde of a single person, be he klan, gay, or anything doesn't have much to do with the OP. Corollary questions or subjects arise from OPs but a suicide doesn't make the grade in this case. After you supplied all my reactions for me which was you being an asshole and not being anywhere near what I would have said.You stated that I think the klansman was dirt and added race to it near the end

I disagree with your premise that I cannot bring in a corollary argument not related to the topic just because it isn't strictly the subject of the OP. How does a single suicide relate to the OP?I can and did connect the implied idea that Assup doesn't really care about all life, just those he deems worthy of his respect. I suspect you are the same.I don't care about his views. Like I said I didn't read his post. I read less than 20% of the total posts. Respect or lack of it has nothing to do with my life list. It's too bad about the klan guy but you can't save everybody. From what you've said I don't think you give a shit about a lot of different folks.

I will illustrate the point better, and concede the point you previously made about me not caring about the unfortunate gay victims of Orlando. Now that I found out no pretty lipstick lesbians were harmed in the shooting, and it was just gay men, I'm not concerned about it in particular. However, I don't advocate it, nor would I want it to happen again. For some, it would be considered compassion fatigue, but fuck it, I just don't like gay men.

(Except for the ones who are now going to vote for Mr. Trump because of his understanding of the Muslim threat.)

Again, the connected point is you and the other liberals don't care about all the people killed in Chicago every weekend, or the Klansman who set himself on fire, except as it validates your political points. So, under the rules of the forum, accepted common practice, and general discourse on a SHMB, I can bring up topics not strictly mentioned in the OP. The OP is a starting point.[/QUOTE] You have driven off the road again. You bring up Chicago. What about all the other murders in the US? Not a peep out of you about those. I'm sure it depends on race, orientation, or nationality. It's nothing political as much as it is racial I am less concerned for someone who chooses to be a klansman and chooses to set himself of fire than you are about people who are born gay
.You liking the klan , a hate group, more than gays is no surprise.
And the guy who tells me to pull my head out gets whiney when I said stay on topic. You claim liberals do this or that to validate points so far out of whack as to be unbelievable. So accept the fact I go by that quote you make light of, that you're afraid of. And I'll say what I want.You call me a liberal with the same tone you say all your racial slurs in. You call me a liberal cause that's how you seek the top and it's only your opinion.
I call you an illiberal because you fit the definition
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Your CBS News links don't work, you dickmunching fool. And your conclusion that ISIS was founded in 2006 is completely false. What Syrian rebels was John McCain pushing for us to arm in 2006? Oh wait, that wasn't until 5-6 years later! Funny how you play fast and loose with the dates – you only want to mention dates that coincide with Bush's tenure, and you deliberately omit those falling under Odumbo's watch.

Look, I already schooled your libtard Butt Buddy Wombhater (R.I.P.) on precisely this point six months ago. ISIS was created in 2011. Read and learn:



Better read the rest of the thread too, dickmuncherman. Don't come back and make me hand your ass to you the way I did to woomby. Originally Posted by lustylad

And you aren't smart enough to get there yourself. No one said McCain armed them in 2006. Read the quote. I covered the date for my statement. Like I have to provide dates you might want to see outside the scope of my post.

School me then. I can't wait. Don't sit there, show me. Why the fuck didn't you post your info now? Instead of warning me?
Bitch.
Hurry up. I want to watch you kiss my ass.
Pucker up douche-bag.

Your CBS News links don't work, you dickmunching fool. And your conclusion that ISIS was founded in 2006 is completely false. What Syrian rebels was John McCain pushing for us to arm in 2006? Oh wait, that wasn't until 5-6 years later! Funny how you play fast and loose with the dates – you only want to mention dates that coincide with Bush's tenure, and you deliberately omit those falling under Odumbo's watch.

Look, I already schooled your libtard Butt Buddy Wombhater (R.I.P.) on precisely this point six months ago. ISIS was created in 2011. Read and learn:



Better read the rest of the thread too, dickmuncherman. Don't come back and make me hand your ass to you the way I did to woomby. Originally Posted by lustylad

So you lied to wombie. That's why I check everything you post.
Bitch.

Going to bed. With visions of you being schooled.
You prick.

“It wasn’t until 2009 that ISIS shifted its focus from Iraq, where it was largely unsuccessful in developing a foothold, and focused on the civil war in Syria,” Swann said.
While in Syria, ISIS still struggled to gain a foothold. Swann attributed this to the fact that two larger groups fighting against President Bashar al-Assad were overpowering them: al-Nusra Front – or al-Qaeda – and the Free Syrian Army.

Shifted its focus in 2009



This story makes more sense if we start in the middle, so we'll begin with the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi in 2011.

Start in the middle in 2011

His strategy was greatly facilitated by the Obama administration’s December 2011 withdrawal from Iraq and the anti-Sunni policies pursued by the Shiite-dominated government in Baghdad. ISIS’s project was further aided by the Syrian uprising, which began in March 2011. Over the last three and half years, it has evolved into a civil war in which Syrian president Bashar al-Assad has slaughtered Sunnis

They were aided in early 2011.

All you had to do is post "NO"!

And at least I would have some respect for you.

Now I have none, loudmouth!

You have never "vetted" anyone, ...

.....or even have a clue as to how it's NOT DONE!

You can't hide from me behind all that blue bluster! Originally Posted by LexusLover

Gee. If only you told me what to post. Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

All you had to do is post "NO"! Originally Posted by LexusLover

Like I posted: 'You have never "vetted" anyone, ...' ..... All you do is talk shit and regurgitate what you have "read" on the internet that supports your own bullshit and point of view. I don't need your respect, actually no one does, because it's meaningless, like you.

But instead of being a grownup you go off on one of your incoherent rants in big blue letters pretending that you know what the fuck you are posting about. AGAIN, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE YOU "VETTED"?