Obama wire tapped Trump Tower!!!!!

...it just comes down to what you choose to believe. ....

...until then this is nothing but speculation. Originally Posted by JCM800

It's not what one "chooses to believe" because if that is the reality then you fall into that rubric as well ... because? .... no substantive facts have been disclosed ... only the "assumptions" drawn from the process .... and that is why there ..

"is nothing but speculation"!

The problem is that 95% of the people posting in here, including you, don't get the significance of the differences between "speculation" and "facts" and the various burdens of proof appropriately applied to the various stages of the process.

When one factors in "motivations" for disclosing certain "speculative conclusions" the credibility of the sources (99% "anonymous") is diminished to the point of almost being worthless. Remember this all started with a "belief" that the Russians manipulated the 2016 general election RESULTS! That's debunked.

Up until the Russians were blamed the Democrats were pissing on each other with the "dirty tricks" (remember the B.S. with the DNC leadership in the middle of the convention and one prominent DNC "leader" feeding questions from the media at which she worked to HillaryNoMore...) .... "the Russians" were NOWHERE!!!

"Believe" me! I understand why you and millions of others in the country don't want to mention HillaryNoMore!!!! Or Bill!!!! Speaking of playing footsies with the Russians!!! It's easy: "Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas"!!!! The Clintons been playing with the Russians long before Trump threw his "hat in the ring"!

Imagine that LLiar speculating over speculation

Imagine that LLiar speculating over speculation Originally Posted by WTF

Imagine you being able to type!

I don't "speculate" over legal processes ... you do!

And you're sorry at it!

Imagine you being able to type!

I don't "speculate" over legal processes ... you do!

And you're sorry at it! Originally Posted by LexusLover

You speculate about WMD's even after Bush admitted not finding them and only stfu about them when Trump said it was a lie!

Reports are one thing but until some actual facts are presented then all of it up to this point is still just speculation.

Reports are one thing but until some actual facts are presented then all of it up to this point is still just speculation. Originally Posted by JCM800

True.

Clapper also claimed that the NSA wasn't collecting data on American citizens just before Snowden released the evidence that it was. Clapper lied. And Clapper is lying about the FISA warrant. That it was issued was reported by several media outlets, including McClatchy. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Notice none of you called him a liar on the statement there was no collusion between Russia and Trumps election team. Only on the FISA warrant. Just a little cherry picking?

Did anyone really know what NSA was doing before Snowden?

Notice none of you called him a liar on the statement there was no collusion between Russia and Trumps election team. Only on the FISA warrant. Just a little cherry picking?

Did anyone really know what NSA was doing before Snowden? Originally Posted by wordup666

Clapper is a confirmed liar, but perhaps you failed to notice that the New York Times already reported that the FBI found no collusion.

Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia

(NYT)

Reports are one thing but until some actual facts are presented then all of it up to this point is still just speculation. Originally Posted by JCM800

Fact, the New York Times reported that the FBI found no "collusion" with the Russians.

Fact, the New York Times reported that Odumbo, et al, did tap elements of the Trump campaign.

Fact, lib-retards like you have your head up your ass so that you can avoid seeing the facts.

Fact, lib-retards like you have your head up your ass so that you can avoid seeing the facts. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

That article does have a nice catchy headline but it doesn't contain any "facts" regarding these current accusations ...but you already know that.

You speculate about WMD's even after Bush admitted not finding them and only stfu about them when Trump said it was a lie! Originally Posted by WTF

Do you have a post consistent with this bullshit?

Or are you desiring to change the subject from HillaryNoMore voting for the authorization for the 2003 RE-INVASION of Iraq after her husband, who was teaching her how to be POTUS (to no avail) said there were WMD's and Iraq had a WMD program!

Back to your "speculation" about another criminal case!

So far you've struck out!

That article does have a nice catchy headline but it doesn't contain any "facts" regarding these current accusations ...but you already know that. Originally Posted by JCM800

Thank you for recognizing that "flaw" with the media .. and the anti-Trumpers in here posting, as yourself!

Lots of headlines and no substance!

The Russian hacker BS has been INVESTIGATED since June 2016 (if not before!) No "evidence" of manipulating the elections! If that's the best Obaminable can do, it's no wonder his "intelligence" concluded ISIS/ISIL was "Junior Varsity"! Let's see .. HillaryNoMore was "on watch" while they were establishing themselves, right?

Do you have a post consistent with this bullshit?

Or are you desiring to change the subject from HillaryNoMore voting for the authorization for the 2003 RE-INVASION of Iraq after her husband, who was teaching her how to be POTUS (to no avail) said there were WMD's and Iraq had a WMD program!

Back to your "speculation" about another criminal case!

So far you've struck out! Originally Posted by LexusLover

You and Hillary were for the invasion of Iraq. ..blood on your hands, not mine.

Thank you for recognizing that "flaw" with the media .. and the anti-Trumpers in here posting, as yourself! Originally Posted by LexusLover

Hey, I'm here to help.

Keep in mind, when Loretta Lynch, Valerie Jarret, and Rat face Rice authorized this, nobody in their camp thought for one second that The Hildabeast was going to loose that election.