Providers that ARE NOT reference friendly

First and foremost, I am responsible only for my exact words, I am not responsible for how you interpret them. I just saw a bunch of assuming and it "seems" and mentioning of my rates for some reason. YOU are labeling me as, and interpreting me as "Elite". I don't advertise VIP , or Courteasan, nor Elite. I'm a prostitute. It IS illegal. Fact. Disputing otherwise is projecting your internalized phobia that what you are doing is illegal as a prostitute. If I jay-walk, that is illegal ie a CRIME.

It is what it is. I'm not in denial on what I do, thus I find no need to mask or seek synonyms for escort/provider/prostitute and be an " Elite Courtesan " to make me feel better about what I do - as you are alluding. I know it defines a job not character, so I hold no phobia about it.

And if you'll note as you will further research me and screenshot I'm sure based off your current pattern, I certainly haven't been a board hog for the past year or so.

If I come off as an " Elite Courtesan" to *you, fine. But that's *your propaganda *you're pushing. Not mine. I can only be ME. As a matter of fact, "Down to Earth" is in many of my ad Titles, not "VIP", " Elite" blaaaaah. Stop it.

As for screening, I certainly was not misleading. Forms, and garnering just a name and email, number even gives an abundance of Intel and is used by countless newbie friendly companions, and P411 . It replaces refs for me... if they have them there's a place for it, if not, I proceed to **step two, which you do not address as it is NOT on display publicly

Again, smear campaign.

This is a middle class industry. Cut it out. Nobody is sucking billionaire cock. So that "high horse" you allege Im riding on is propaganda and all the way ridiculous on level 100. I make the same annually as a heaux charging $250 give or take. This aint a 6 figure career. This is middle class. Just because I carry myself with a certain vernacular as a black woman has only to do with my love for reading and education. Not class, rates, etc.

Please, leave my rates, site, and the dissection of such matters having NOTHING to do with using references out of this for your whorarchy propaganda against me. Don't assume I think my boo-boo doesn't stink because of XYZ and other topics *you address. I don't pay a screener nor do I own or pay for two in calls. I have ACCESS to one and own the other. Again, you're creating YOUR Eva that I don't fit... Pretty please stop? I don't have the time nor energy to heaux-splain my biz any further publicly. It's nunya.



Affectionately,
Eva Damita Originally Posted by Eva Damita

That's a really great post. You were very honest as to your feelings and have a view which I think many will agree with.

I need some references. Who do I send a few schmeckles to? Looking to go out on a limb for my upcoming birthday, so I need you to be reputable for when I have a thread posted about me.

There has to be a better way to screen, other than using prior providers. Someone like me who is in a great relationship, and doesn't hobby but 1-2 times a year (getting what the wife won't do). It's hard to go back and say yah I saw her 8 months ago. But I refuse to see low quality just to get a reference. I've offered my DL, work contact ect. I understand the ladies need to be careful... especially after reading those crazy alerts.

There has to be a better way to screen, other than using prior providers. Someone like me who is in a great relationship, and doesn't hobby but 1-2 times a year (getting what the wife won't do). It's hard to go back and say yah I saw her 8 months ago. But I refuse to see low quality just to get a reference. I've offered my DL, work contact ect. I understand the ladies need to be careful... especially after reading those crazy alerts. Originally Posted by Chrisgang30

Preferred411... if you have seen at least two providers sign up and use them as references bam you're in! I think they might still be doing a free trial for 6 months.

With p411 we can look at your profile and see how many times you have been okay'd without having to track them down and getting them to remember you. There is also a space to write about yourself and your likes and dislikes as well.

It's super helpful and it cuts out all of the extra back and forth not so fun still before the appointment takes place.

Of course not.. she would just quietly raise her rate by 10-20 bucks over the course of a couple months if charging for references became the norm. Meaning....everyone would pay a little more, not just the guy who has a reference that requires payment. Most smart ladies don't charge extra to one gent, they spread it out across the board. Walmart doesn't choose select customers to pay $20 extra.. they just tuck those extra 2 cents in on everyones can o' peas.

Another thing to consider. There are some ladies who already charge the gents if they require a reference. I think the practice is tacky-- but it exists.

In my "legit" business.. the costs of one of my major components went up fairly sharply last year. I was required to raise the cost of goods associated with that component by 15 cents across the board in order to absorb the increase in material goods. Originally Posted by Grace Preston

But what you don't see is that hookers and johns are fond of round numbers like 300 or 250. You don't see providers wanting 315 or 265.


Another question is about your legit business. Is it successful? I doesn't seem to be if your still on here. Not a dig but an observation.

But what you don't see is that hookers and johns are fond of round numbers like 300 or 250. You don't see providers wanting 315 or 265.


Another question is about your legit business. Is it successful? I doesn't seem to be if your still on here. Not a dig but an observation. Originally Posted by Kickrocks

Successful as in where I want it to be? No.

Successful as in... is it in the black? Yes.

I've been slowly building it. Its actually part of my exit strategy-- as I reach certain benchmarks with it, I'll be pulling away from here. Last year I took a heavy hit-- as when I was out with some health concerns I had to take time away from it during the busy season... that hurt and probably threw me off course by close to a year from a business building standpoint.

No, but you do see providers asking for 325 or 275. Moreover, if providers were to start charging for references.. it would have to become a common practice quickly-- otherwise, ladies will simply blackball the practice by refusing to accept references from those who charge. Some would go as far as to directly tell clientele that "Lady X is not a suitable reference". Thus- potentially causing damage to the lady from gents wondering why said lady was rejected by various women. It's a nasty little potential problem.

I think it is important for ladies to hone their alternative screening practices. It is getting to the point where it is difficult to obtain good and reliable references on a consistant basis.

Successful as in where I want it to be? No.

Successful as in... is it in the black? Yes.

I've been slowly building it. Its actually part of my exit strategy-- as I reach certain benchmarks with it, I'll be pulling away from here. Last year I took a heavy hit-- as when I was out with some health concerns I had to take time away from it during the busy season... that hurt and probably threw me off course by close to a year from a business building standpoint.

No, but you do see providers asking for 325 or 275. Moreover, if providers were to start charging for references.. it would have to become a common practice quickly-- otherwise, ladies will simply blackball the practice by refusing to accept references from those who charge. Some would go as far as to directly tell clientele that "Lady X is not a suitable reference". Thus- potentially causing damage to the lady from gents wondering why said lady was rejected by various women. It's a nasty little potential problem.

I think it is important for ladies to hone their alternative screening practices. It is getting to the point where it is difficult to obtain good and reliable references on a consistant basis. Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Good luck with the business. I really hope it works out for you. I know what its like to put everything you have into something. Just have the attitude that it cannot fail and it will work out for you.


Back on topic. I don't see the benefit to a provider that mainly sees newbies to give references. Ijs

The benefit really isn't to the provider, its to the client. Clients who seek out "newbie friendly" are seeking in the hopes that they can build up the clout to see other ladies. The benefit of references has never been to the provider GIVING the reference... that's never been how the system works.

The benefit really isn't to the provider, its to the client. Clients who seek out "newbie friendly" are seeking in the hopes that they can build up the clout to see other ladies. The benefit of references has never been to the provider GIVING the reference... that's never been how the system works. Originally Posted by Grace Preston

The benefits would be getting one in return if needed. But if never needed than don't give them for free. That's all I'm saying.

How do you women deal with pussy blockers? You send a request that client X is wanting to see you, she then contacts client X and sets up her own a hot session, I'm sure it happens

This screening is not 100% safe, what if the guy went crazy or decided not to pay for the session the night before? Would there be backlash for the provider that said it was OK?

The benefit really isn't to the provider, its to the client. Clients who seek out "newbie friendly" are seeking in the hopes that they can build up the clout to see other ladies. The benefit of references has never been to the provider GIVING the reference... that's never been how the system works. Originally Posted by Grace Preston

not completely true. newbie friendly providers who give references get more customers because that's why people see them. So yes some providers do benefit from giving references

How do you women deal with pussy blockers? You send a request that client X is wanting to see you, she then contacts client X and sets up her own a hot session, I'm sure it happens

This screening is not 100% safe, what if the guy went crazy or decided not to pay for the session the night before? Would there be backlash for the provider that said it was OK? Originally Posted by BLM69

No screening is 100% safe, unfortunately. A few years back, I had a provider intentionally set me up by giving a reference for a member of law enforcement. Fortunately, I fought the charge and got it dismissed, but the arrest record lives forever.

From that point, provider references have become a much smaller part of my process-- and only a few ladies are considered to be someone I'll take a reference from.

However, despite not seeking references anymore-- I still freely give them to others as a courtesy to my clientele.

No screening is 100% safe, unfortunately. A few years back, I had a provider intentionally set me up by giving a reference for a member of law enforcement. Fortunately, I fought the charge and got it dismissed, but the arrest record lives forever.

From that point, provider references have become a much smaller part of my process-- and only a few ladies are considered to be someone I'll take a reference from.

However, despite not seeking references anymore-- I still freely give them to others as a courtesy to my clientele. Originally Posted by Grace Preston

That's a horrible experience to have to go through and get set up by one of your own, that's why I only trust a few members in here with hobby information but it's hard for you women when $ is on the line.

The benefit really isn't to the provider, its to the client. Clients who seek out "newbie friendly" are seeking in the hopes that they can build up the clout to see other ladies. The benefit of references has never been to the provider GIVING the reference... that's never been how the system works. Originally Posted by Grace Preston

It's a benefit to both, without question. The provider who GIVES a reference will also GET references from other providers. Quid pro quo as it were. You scratch mine, I'll scratch yours. Providers who participate get to increase their client base safer and easier than they would otherwise. While provider references certainly may not be fool proof, they are a far cry better than any alternative screening method.

They're a far cry better for you guys-- but not necessarily for us.

Alternative screening methods have never failed me. Provider references have.