I thought we had Warp Speed, so how come Britain is getting the Pfizer vaccine ahead of us?

It also appears that we perhaps didn't elect to contract for more than the initial order. May(?) not get for Pfizer vaccine till next summer after they fill committed orders. I was promised WARP SPEED. Not to mention that my state govt hasn't yet developed a distribution plan. My guess is they didn't have enough advance notice.

It also appears that we perhaps didn't elect to contract for more than the initial order. May(?) not get for Pfizer vaccine till next summer after they fill committed orders. I was promised WARP SPEED. Not to mention that my state govt hasn't yet developed a distribution plan. My guess is they didn't have enough advance notice. Originally Posted by reddog1951

Because -- like most civilized countries on this planet -- they have effective national leadership and we do not.

We have the biggest fuck head on the planet as the leader of our nation. But only for a shade longer than 6 more weeks.

Because -- like most civilized countries on this planet -- they have effective national leadership and we do not.

We have the biggest fuck head on the planet as the leader of our nation. But only for a shade longer than 6 more weeks. Originally Posted by Jam3768

Get in line as youre told. Be sure to get micro chipped when biden says so!

Because it made by germans who took a boat and was in english water first. Where the stuff to usa have to travel on a space craft 7

Trump and his administration are a bunch of incompetent dummies. Just like Trump supporters.

It also appears that we perhaps didn't elect to contract for more than the initial order. May(?) not get for Pfizer vaccine till next summer after they fill committed orders. I was promised WARP SPEED. Not to mention that my state govt hasn't yet developed a distribution plan. My guess is they didn't have enough advance notice. Originally Posted by reddog1951

So now you're insisting on "America First."

Keep calm and resist the box

Not insisting on America First per se, but am questioning WHY we "missed that boat" despite the money poured out and our great scientific capabilities. But who believes in science?

Cannot reply to Ripmany because his comment is unintelligible.

If you've been looking at alternate news sources other than the NYTs you'll see that the US bought options for more doses with Pfizer. We've also contracted for millions of doses with Moderna and other vaccine makers when their product comes out.

It's called "hedging your bets" and "Keeping players motivated."

What would happened if Pfizers drug wasn't effective or safe?

The media is playing the "hindsight is 20/20" game. Again, a "nothingburger."

So do you think other countries should not have the vaccine until America is totally taken care of? Supposedly the Chinese military has been "vaccinated" months ago.

Trump is signing an EO today that America gets the vaccine first.

Gnadfly- please show proof. From what I read we are contracted for 100 million doses to vaccinate 50 million, but have not locked in options for many more doses, and those options may have expired. Even so, Britain approved the Pfizer vaccine before us and is innoculating now when I don't think we yet even have approval. Moderna seems to be even after that. How does that make sense?

Even after approval of either or both, what is the national roll-out distribution/logistics plan. I'd appreciate it if you can point me to it so I can review, especially in regards to my state.

The first man to receive Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine outside clinical trials is an Englishman named William Shakespeare, and the internet is having a field day


https://www.businessinsider.com/will...accine-2020-12

Shakespeare, who like the 16th century bard, grew up in Warwickshire, said he was "pleased" and praised the staff at the hospital, which is just 20 miles from Stratford-upon-Avon, the birthplace of the famous playwright and poet.

The irony was not lost on the internet, which seized on the coincidence.

One popular comment described the moment as "The Taming of the Flu" — a play on the title of Shakespeare's comedy "The Taming of the Shrew."

Gnadfly- please show proof. From what I read we are contracted for 100 million doses to vaccinate 50 million, but have not locked in options for many more doses, and those options may have expired. Even so, Britain approved the Pfizer vaccine before us and is innoculating now when I don't think we yet even have approval. Moderna seems to be even after that. How does that make sense?

Even after approval of either or both, what is the national roll-out distribution/logistics plan. I'd appreciate it if you can point me to it so I can review, especially in regards to my state. Originally Posted by reddog1951

I can't believe I have to explain this shit to you. Warp Speed contracted to buy 100 million doses from 6 different pharma companies, with options to buy more. The idea is to wait and see which vaccines are approved as safe & effective before exercising the options to buy more. That way you don't waste taxpayer money on vaccines that might not work!

The distribution plan is being coordinated by General Gus Perma, who gave an impressive summary today. If your state isn't working closely with General Perma to set up and prioritize deliveries, then blame your fucking state officials, not Trump or the people running Warp Speed. Every state is different in terms of where the virus is most severe and which locations should receive vaccines first.

As for why Britain is already off & running with the Pfizer vaccine while we still haven't left the gate, you can blame dim-retards like Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsome and Andrew Cuomo for politicizing the approval process!


The FDA’s Political Inoculation

Why the U.K. has approved a vaccine faster than the U.S.
By The Editorial Board
Dec. 3, 2020 6:35 pm ET

The U.K. on Wednesday approved Pfizer -BioNTech’s vaccine, and no doubt many Americans are wondering as thousands die each day why the U.S. Food and Drug Administration wasn’t first. Blame politicians who promoted public skepticism of a vaccine that U.S. regulators now feel they must remedy.

Two weeks ago Pfizer and BioNTech applied to the FDA for emergency use authorization of their vaccine, which they reported was 95% effective. The FDA then scheduled an online public meeting on Dec. 10 with outside experts to discuss the authorization and allowed the public to submit comments.

FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn tweeted Thursday: “Send your comments in before this group of outside experts meets to discuss a potential emergency use authorization for a #COVID19 vaccine.” This is a nice gesture toward transparency and democracy, but isn’t this supposed to be a scientific review?

These outside “experts” will also have less knowledge than FDA scientists who have been working alongside vaccine makers over the last nine or so months providing real-time feedback on their clinical trials. Mr. Hahn, however, committed to this process in the fall as Democrats like Kamala Harris and New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo warned the Trump Administration was rushing approval.

In other words, this regulatory rigmarole is essentially a placebo to reassure the public it will be safe to get inoculated. There’s no evidence that a three-week review is needed. The U.K.’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency with 1,320 employees scrutinized Pfizer’s data on a rolling basis, and the FDA with 17,000 staff could do the same.

Defending the FDA’s slower review, Anthony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health explained “we have the gold standard of a regulatory approach with the F.D.A.” and “the U.K. did not do it as carefully and they got a couple of days ahead.” But vaccine makers have no incentive to conceal safety problems given their reputation risk, and there’s no evidence Pfizer cut corners.

Inoculating health-care workers is becoming increasingly urgent as many get sick or have to quarantine after being exposed to the virus. Hospitals are strained by surging cases, and staffing problems are likely to worsen. Nursing home residents who would be prioritized for Pfizer’s vaccine make up 40% or so of U.S. deaths. Delaying vaccine approval even a couple of weeks could lead to thousands, if not tens of thousands, of more deaths.

The FDA has long been cautious when approving new medicines, which has resulted in delayed treatments for life-threatening diseases like cancer. But its self-protective instinct and desire to compensate for reckless politicians endanger public health.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fda...on-11607038524

Lustylad, can you give me a link to review General Perma's distribution summary today plz, since I don't find it. Also can't find that the US exercised options to buy more Pharma vaccine.

Regarding delay, I think a excerpt from the article you provided speaks volumes ancillary continue to

"Americans are wondering as thousands die each day why the U.S. Food and Drug Administration wasn’t first. Blame politicians who promoted public skepticism of a vaccine that U.S. regulators now feel they must remedy."

Which politicians?