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No one is suggesting to erase the history. That's your illogical inference. The history of what the Nazis did isn't erased. It's just not celebrated by monuments. The people who fought to continue to enslave black people should not be celebrated either. Originally Posted by 1pittsburgh

A public school education, I see. The Civil war wasn’t about slavery, but federalism. In fact, the Union offered General Lee command of the Union Army. He refused, citing devotion to his home state of Virginia.

Such things (actual facts) are wasted on closed minds though, so carry on with your twisted view of “history”.

The Civil war wasn’t about slavery Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Yes your correct, it was about federalism.
It was about the Federal Government telling the confederate states that they cannot hold human beings in bondage!
They "the Confederates" thought that it was a violation of their rights, and if course never once considering the right of the slaves!
And yes once again your correct, the federal government did offer Lee a command, as they extended to all of the southern troops serving in the United States military at that time the opportunity to join the union army.
Some took the offer and others like Lee chose to become traitors!
Whatever reasoning he used to become that traitor is of no consequence, he became a traitor!
And no traitor except of course in this country, would traitors have statutes honoring them in the country they traded against!
The ones that started the war should have at the end if the war been shot or hung!
Not only were those people traitors, but human traffickers
and of course let's not forget racists as well!
And if course we shouldn't have military posts named in their honor either!

Your arguement is about as clever as Bam telling me that the impeachment of Trump wasn't about bribery but abuse of power!
The bribery was the abuse of power!
Another one defending the indefensible!

A public school education, I see. The Civil war wasn’t about slavery, but federalism. In fact, the Union offered General Lee command of the Union Army. He refused, citing devotion to his home state of Virginia.

Such things (actual facts) are wasted on closed minds though, so carry on with your twisted view of “history”. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

This is an absurd argument because the ONLY states right in question was the right to own human beings. The civil war was fought over slavery and any argument to the contrary is bullshit “Lost Cause” revisionism
Which borders on gaslighting. General Lee also owned human beings and argued that “Only Holy God can free them”. He was a humongous piece of shit who fought for the right to own human beings, like the rest of the confederacy. Go tell lies in the encounters section, not here.

https://apnews.com/article/9009420680

Who said Lee opposed slavery? He actually inherited a couple, according to his biography.

You couldn’t be more misinformed. Hugely, headswimmingly misinformed in that the civil war was all about slavery. It wasn’t. If one had to designate a prevalent cause, taxes would be the most correct answer.

Who said Lee opposed slavery? He actually inherited a couple, according to his biography.

You couldn’t be more misinformed. Hugely, headswimmingly misinformed in that the civil war was all about slavery. It wasn’t. If one had to designate a prevalent cause, taxes would be the most correct answer. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

You say that, but the confederate states seem to have all agreed that it was about slavery. I don’t believe the revisionist historians who you may or may not have read knew more about the cause of the Civil War than the actual states that seceded. You can read their declarations here:

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/p...states#Georgia

Did you even read that? It’s all about money. While slavery is a component, clearay it’s not the driving factor, and it’s only a factor at all due the financial component.

Did you even read that? It’s all about money. While slavery is a component, clearay it’s not the driving factor, and it’s only a factor at all due the financial component. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

It’s always about power and money:

https://www.postandcourier.com/aiken...3509c4741.html

Georgia:

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic. This hostile policy of our confederates has been pursued with every circumstance of aggravation which could arouse the passions and excite the hatred of our people, and has placed the two sections of the Union for many years past in the condition of virtual civil war.

Mississippi:

A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.

Texas:

Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time.

South Carolina:

The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."

This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.

Virginia:

The people of Virginia, in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in Convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under the said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States, and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression; and the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States.

Hooker board poster, Jacuzzme

While slavery is a component, clearay it’s not the driving factor, and it’s only a factor at all due the financial component. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

I'm not sure who to believe.

Most of these proclamations cited are using slave owning here as an identifier, not reasoning. Irrespective of that, it's still about money.

Dogshit cracks me up. Advocating secession, breaking away to form a separate, free nation isn't being a "traitor", it's precisely what the colonists did and for many of the same reasons. If we used this standard we'd still be sending our tax dollars to the Buckingham Palace. .

Most of these proclamations cited are using slave owning here as an identifier, not reasoning. Irrespective of that, it's still about money.

Dogshit cracks me up. Advocating secession, breaking away to form a separate, free nation isn't being a "traitor", it's precisely what the colonists did and for many of the same reasons. If we used this standard we'd still be sending our tax dollars to the Buckingham Palace. . Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

That’s why the southern states wanted to secede. They were tired of sending their 40% tarrif on cotton to the US Treasury. Much of it was used to fund industrial growth in the northern states. Most southerners felt slavery was immoral. Lincoln didn’t want to abolish until the 19th century. Grant was a slave owner himself. He set them free after the 13th amendment.

Most of these proclamations cited are using slave owning here as an identifier, not reasoning. Irrespective of that, it's still about money.

Dogshit cracks me up. Advocating secession, breaking away to form a separate, free nation isn't being a "traitor", it's precisely what the colonists did and for many of the same reasons. If we used this standard we'd still be sending our tax dollars to the Buckingham Palace. . Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Dogshit?
Go fuck yourself Moron!
I really have no idea where you come up with this convoluted line of thinking, secession is a form of treason, hey you dont mind if we walk away with almost half of the country do ya?!
The answer to that would be you can leave but we keep the property!
And so is open revloution and sedition the selling of classified information, and not neccesarily to our enemies!
The only reason that the founding fathers escaped the noose or the firing squad was because they happened to win the revloution!
Of course they were traitors to England.
No wonder your a Trumper, you can't even recognize a traitor when the paint him orange!
You really are stupid!

Dogshit?
Go fuck yourself Moron!
I really have no idea where you come up with this convoluted line of thinking, secession is a form of treason!
So is open revloution and sedition,
The only reason that the founding fathers escaped the noose or the firing squad was because they happened to win the revloution!
Of course they were traitors to England.
No wonder your a Trumper, you can't even recognize a traitor when the paint him orange! Originally Posted by Dogface78

Traitors steal elections.

Traitors steal elections. Originally Posted by bambino

Yes that's true, the orange man is attempting to steal this one, and is being shot down by judges he appointed!
As a matter of fact the supreme court just shot him down yesterday with just one sentence!
How many of them did he appoint?
Those fucking ingrates!
Wheres ACB when you really need her?
And the asshole is openly committing sedition while hes doing it!
He should be jailed!

Yes that's true, the orange man is attempting to steal this one, and is being shot down by judges he appointed!
As a matter of fact the supreme court just shot him down yesterday with just one sentence!
How many of them did he appoint?
Those fucking ingrates!
Wheres ACB when you really need her?
And the asshole is openly committing sedition while hes doing it!
He should be jailed! Originally Posted by Dogface78

First off, it wasn’t Trumps case. Secondly, they declined emergency relief. They didn’t say they wouldn’t take it up. Thirdly, the Texas suit is broader than Pa’s. They may hear that one.

Sure just remember that when you bring up Hunter Biden, Hillary, or who ever you accuse with out proof Originally Posted by jmichael

I have refrained from posting much on this thread because trying to argue with ill informed posters like yourself, 1Pittsburgh, Elmo and Dogshit or Dogface or whatever new handle he is using these days after breaking the rules to create and use multiple handles like The Operator, HoochiCoochiMan, etc. is not a fair fight. You guys remind me of Moe, Larry, Curly and Shemp.

But two things:

1. You mentioned Hunter Biden - you mean the Hunter Biden who has been under active investigation by the DOJ and IRS since 2018 for tax fraud and financial issues related to his corrupt dealings with China and Ukraine? That Hunter Biden?

2. As to the election, half of the American public believe there was voter fraud

https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/s...271985155?s=20

Now I will leave the 4 of you to ramble on with your little circle jerk, hopefully a bit more educated after these facts