is it not true that you and your fellow MAGA lovers have gunned down (made threads closed) that I’ve started by going Offtopic or by being insulting to others?
Originally Posted by Flair4Drama
As a business owner I purchase over $800,000 in building products per year. Everyone is asking if prices will go up, my answer is yes. Further in the discussion I explained I don’t believe it will be tariffs. In 2021 fuel prices were over $4 a gal. Diesel was over $6. They added a $10 fuel charge on most deliveries, then it went to $25. Fuel is cheaper than in 4 years. Charge is still there. Labor has been the big driver in costs. Wages have grew in some fields over 50%,add n lower work productivity and you’re probably closer to 70%. China is already talking about devalueing their currency most Asian countries will follow suit. Europe not so much but that tariffs on European imports will be lower because our trade deficit is lower.
I voted for him well in ny I voted for Harris but they another story. He won both popular and electoral votes, I do not like the way he is going about everything. Real change could have been made behind the scenes doing the same thing we less theatrics. He is in this for power and his belief of what America should look like. Believe me when I tell you it’s not for you that he is doing this. I have no regrets in my election choice, I will say however I strongly disagree with his stance on many things. It comes down to picking which candidate do we hate less. Pretty sad way to pick politicians. I respect everyone’s choice so if anyone is offended by my statement I apologize and if you do please counter with your beliefs. That is the only way we learn, by discussing our disagreements. America is strong. We can handle 4 years of this and the next election cycle allows s another chance Originally Posted by Bigdaddy14606
We can handle 4 years of this and the next election cycle allows s another chance Originally Posted by Bigdaddy14606Fuck... we handled 4 years of (interns? Jill? Ron Klain? Hunter?) running the country.
I agree, it really is a matter of lesser of two evils. I didn’t want Harris/Biden but I especially didn’t want Trump. Bernie likely would’ve been better (for the last three elections). Any MAGA can say these tariffs are just tactics, but is that what you really believe. You can’t trust this guy. He’s a failed businessman - several times over. Not to mention, he got a “small loan of a million dollars” from daddy way back when. C’mon! He doesn’t know when enough is enough. A person like that you cannot trust with YOUR money. And these tariffs are affecting YOUR money. YOUR life. YOUR livelihood.As a business man I must admit he is not really a failure. It takes resources and the ability to manage those resources to be able to take money out of a business. That’s called realized profit. He has several businesses fail but not his overall portfolio. Just imagine how much it costs to operate his aircraft, and property under his control. We can say what we want about his ability but facts speak loudly. The majority of people could not manage his personal life let alone generate what it takes to pay for it. Give you an example. 1,000,000 seconds is 12 days if you spent 1 dollar a second it would take 12 days to spend. 1 ,000,000,000 dollars at 1 dollar per second would take 32 years. If he only got a million dollar loan that is an incredible feat. My guess is he borrowed more than 100 million and multipled it 320 times. Either way this guy is incredibly intelligent and extremely ambitious. A very dangerous person to have this much power. Let’s hope the republicans try to real him in soon
But alas, at least we’re not getting screwed over by other countries.
Ha! When were we ever? Provide details. Originally Posted by Presj22
FB…I’m not a Panican…..Incorrect.
Just a fact……he overplayed his hand and now had to stand down. If his hand was strong , he’d be standing firm.
He made a bad play. Originally Posted by elghund
Dunno about anyone else, but I’d hardly call it overplaying his hand when there’s 75+ countries knocking his door down wanting to make a deal.FB
But, glad to hear you’re not a Panican elg
FB has been very consistent in seeing the tariffs as a negotiating tactic. He may be right. But Trump has been much less consistent than FB. In addition to the "their ripping us off," claim, Trump also proclaims two other motives for the tariffs.In the 90’s the free trade agreements made with other countries raised the standard of living for a huge portion of Americans. Goods became much cheaper to buy so the average American could afford more. Please don’t get side tracked by the obvious. More lost jobs etc. I’m talking cost of goods. So now his plan of raising tariffs may bring manufacturing jobs and make American goods more competitive on the global market BUT they will not be cheaper. We import goods because they are cheaper than making them here. Make them here or charge more to bring them in the bottom line Americans will pay more. A lot more. Period. There is merit in job creation and the such but it will lower the standard of living and yes maybe we have too much cheap junk but it’s still makes Americans happy to buy it
1. Brining manufacturing back to the U.S. by making goods made in other counties too expensive.
2. Filling the coffers of the federal government with revenues from the tariffs. That would enable the government to either a) extend the tax cuts or b) cut the deficit.
The problem with these 3 explanations is that they are contradictory. (I know that 2 or more things can sometimes be true at the same time, but not these 3 things.)
If the tariffs prove to be effective as a negotiating tactic, a deal will mean that tariffs will come down. In that case, revenue will not be generated for the coffers, nor will there be an incentive for companies to relocate to the U.S.
It is not clear which of the 3 motives are primary for Trump. He is also in a bind because there is no way he can deliver on the 3 reasons he has cited as the motives for the tariffs, since they are ultimately mutually exclusive. Achieving a deal on tariffs will work against gaining revenue for tax cuts, as well as brining back manufacturing. Originally Posted by brasil