Demtards call for a military coup!!!

Do you want a vid of Heggy saying the soldiers can refuse illegal orders? It's readily available and no one called him seditious, calling for a military coup, tried to recall him for it or tried to court-martial him... Originally Posted by HDGristle

Lol... thanks for the 23-second video of Hegseth speaking 9 years ago. Got any context? Who was he speaking to? Was it part of a lengthy presentation? What was the topic? For the snippet you found, did he give any examples of illegal orders? Was he implying illegality by Obama? Context is everything. It sheds light on a person's intent.

I'll wait for you to supply the missing context. And no, you don't get to tell me to look it up myself. If you want anyone to accept this as evidence that the 6 shit-stirring Dem politicians in the video did nothing inappropriate but were merely issuing a routine (yet somehow urgently necessary) Public Service Announcement (strictly for the troops, not for civvies) that the current War Secretary should welcome and concur with, then you will flesh it out for us.

Oh, I absolutely can, so feel free to look it up.

Have a great night

Since you won't supply the context, your 23-second video is worthless and non-exculpatory. The Pentagon's investigation into Mark Kelly's possible violation of the UCMJ and federal laws (including but not limited to 18 U.S.C. § 2387 prohibiting "actions intended to interfere with the loyalty, morale, or good order and discipline of the armed forces") will continue apace.

There is plenty of evidence Mark Kelly violated the law. There is zero evidence Hegseth committed any similar offense in the 23-second video you posted. Which is why you plucked it completely out of context and now refuse to answer a few simple & obvious questions about it. After you were admonished to try and be less evasive.

Word of advice - send your resume to 60 Minutes. I hear they are hiring. You would fit in nicely there.

Since you won't supply the context, your 23-second video is worthless and non-exculpatory. The Pentagon's investigation of Mark Kelly's possible violation of the UCMJ and federal laws (including but not limited to 18 U.S.C. § 2387 prohibiting "actions intended to interfere with the loyalty, morale, or good order and discipline of the armed forces") will continue apace.

There is plenty of evidence Mark Kelly violated the law. There is zero evidence Hegseth committed any similar offense in the 23-second video you posted. Which is why you plucked it completely out of context and now refuse to answer a few simple and obvious questions about it.

Word of advice - send your resume to 60 Minutes. I hear they are hiring. You would fit in nicely there. Originally Posted by lustylad

I appreciate your opinion on what does and doesn't have weight regarding the fake seditious conspiracy and imaginary military coup

You never seem to run out of straw-man arguments.

To my knowledge, none of the 6 Dems are being investigated by the Pentagon for "seditious conspiracy" or plotting a "military coup".

Did I miss something? Or are you being a drama queen again, desperately seeking to deflect attention away from the real issues?

You mean Heggy calling them the Seditious 6 and Trump calling it sedition?

And thank you. I appreciate your part in helping debunk Bam's false military coup narrative

You mean Heggy calling them the Seditious 6 and Trump calling it sedition?

And thank you. I appreciate your part in helping debunk Bam's false military coup narrative Originally Posted by HDGristle

IMO they ARE seditious. All 6 of them. You can be seditious without being charged or convicted of it. The video was made and disseminated to the media with seditious intent. Every veteran could see that. Which is why so many lodged allegations of serious misconduct against Mark Kelly with the Pentagon.

I might change my mind if any of the Seditious Six would stop dissembling long enough to tell us exactly what "illegal orders" they want our soldiers to disobey. They can't. Ergo, their intent is not at all patriotic. It's partisan, political, and seditious. Democrats are being disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

I already told you Trump walked back his sedition-punishable-by-death post on Truth Social. James Freeman also noted this in his WSJ column. So why do you keep bringing it up? Oh yeah... to deflect from the real issues.

Every veteran, eh?

Got what I needed, thanks

Yes, every veteran. Which is why, as i already explained to you, so many of them were furious enough to lodge allegations of serious misconduct against Mark Kelly. Whatever the outcome of the Pentagon's investigations, this whole partisan political stunt will forever be a disgrace and a stain on the military service records of all 6 Democrats. It will be taught and studied in our military academies for generations to come - as a shameful and grotesque example of how the UCMJ should never be abused.

Since I only need 1 veteran who didn't view it as having seditious intent to debunk that, I offer Seth Moulton.

If you don't like that one, Tim Stringham, a former military lawyer.

If you don't like that one, Signa Oliver, a vet who provided rules of engagement training while in the military.

Maybe Spencer the Scowl Owl, a known vet and former military lawyer who has interviewed Kelly and is intimately and professionally familiar with the UCMJ.

As for the rest of the molehill that you want to be a mountain, I don't think it's going to have the impact you think it will. Considering not all of the 6 were vets, I also don't see how it will impact all of their military records.

Your opinions notwithstanding, you need to have command of the facts... but you don't.

BREAKING: SEDITIOUS SIX SENATORS MARK KELLY OF ARIZONA AND ELISSA SLOTKIN OF MICHIGAN, both Democrats, have just been EXPOSED as being two of the lead politicians on the VENEZUELA LIST that have been receiving MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN KICKBACKS AND LUXURIOUS GIFTS from the Maduro regime and d*** trafficking organizations affiliated with the Venezuelan government. This is according to Venezuela’s former Chief of National Intelligence, Hugo Carvajal, who has REVEALED the Senators’ involvement in the scheme in an open letter to President Trump and the American people from federal prison here in The US. Carvajal, with nothing to lose, has been SINGING LIKE A CANARY and shedding light on this treasonous conspiracy that so many of our top politicians are financially benefiting from. These n****terrorists are said to have funneled MILLIONS OF DOLLARS in to Kelly and Slotkin’s respective Senate campaigns and personal bank accounts, paid off mortgages on their homes, paid travel expenses and treated the Democrat Senators to lucrative vacations in The Bahamas. They betrayed their country and took money in exchange for attempting to sabotage President Trump’s ongoing war with these d*** trafficking criminal organizations and Maduro’s government. Countless Americans have died of d*** o******** due to these Senators’ actions. Being former members of the military, they know full well what TREASON is and THEY JUST GOT CAUGHT RED-HANDED COMMITTING IT. This is why they went on video telling our troops to disobey President Trump’s orders… They are paid agents of the Venezuelan government who are aiding and abetting THE ENEMY at a time of war. When President Trump talked about the enemy from within, he was talking about people like Mark Kelly and Elissa Slotkin. The “war crimes” hysteria is just textbook gaslighting… The VENEZUELA LIST IS THE CRIME OF THE CENTURY and by the time all is revealed, Washington DC will be shaken to its core. LOCK THEM ALL UP!

Just to be fair and balanced;

BREAKING: Kentucky Senator Rand Paul is one of the top politicians on the VENEZUELA LIST that has been taking MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN KICKBACKS from the Maduro regime and n****terrorists in the Latin American country, according to a HIGH-RANKING VENEZUELAN GOVERNMENT SOURCE.

I already told you trump walked back his sedition-punishable-by-death post on truth social. James Freeman also noted this in his WSJ column. So why do you keep bringing it up? Oh yeah... to deflect from the real issues. Originally Posted by lustylad

We keep bringing it up because trump is worse than a Dollar General Karen on her period.

Maybe a real leader wouldn't be so emotionally frazzled as to need to walk back insane calls for military veterans to be put to death in the first place?

Why does trump always get a pass for being an unhinged emotional wreck who posts with all the restraint and intelligence of a 3rd grader?

If MAGA was half as embarrassed as the rest of us, the world would be a much better place.

Since I only need 1 veteran who didn't view it as having seditious intent to debunk that, I offer Seth Moulton.

If you don't like that one, Tim Stringham, a former military lawyer.

If you don't like that one, Signa Oliver, a vet who provided rules of engagement training while in the military.

Maybe Spencer the Scowl Owl, a known vet and former military lawyer who has interviewed Kelly and is intimately and professionally familiar with the UCMJ.

As for the rest of the molehill that you want to be a mountain, I don't think it's going to have the impact you think it will. Considering not all of the 6 were vets, I also don't see how it will impact all of their military records.

Your opinions notwithstanding, you need to have command of the facts... but you don't. Originally Posted by HDGristle

Great! My generalization about veterans worked as intended. It proved you can actually do a little homework when you want to.

Just for the record, every single one of the Seditious Six is either a military or intelligence veteran. Here's more detail, to ensure you have "command of the facts":

Sen. Mark Kelly (D-Ariz.): Retired Navy captain and astronaut.

Sen. Elissa Slotkin (D-Mich.): Former CIA analyst who served three tours in Iraq.

Rep. Jason Crow (D-Colo.): Former Army Ranger who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Rep. Chris Deluzio (D-Pa.): Navy veteran.

Rep. Chrissy Houlahan (D-Pa.): Air Force veteran.

Rep. Maggie Goodlander (D-N.H.): Former intelligence officer


I'm impressed that you've been to assemble a crackerjack legal defense team to try and keep Mark Kelly from being court-martialed. How do Seth, Tim, Signa, and Spencer plan to answer the $64k question - exactly what "illegal orders" is the once-respected Senator from Arizona encouraging soldiers to disobey? Like it or not, that's the question at the heart of the Pentagon investigation. Will your legal team advise the Arizona Senator to be completely honest and say - it doesn't matter, I just want every member of the armed forces to treat any & all orders issued by our current C-I-C as unlawful?

Funny how you think this whole sorry episode is making "a mountain out of a molehill". Maybe you should ask those irate veterans who demanded that the Pentagon open an investigation into Mark Kelly's misconduct why it's such a big deal. And if you want a real textbook example of making a mountain out of a molehill, just rewind history 5 years and recall when you impeached DJT over a fucking phone call.

Didn't have to do any because of you. It was already prepped for a different discussion.

Don't start doubling down on your blunders and try to flip this. You went absolutist again and it blew up in your face. Btw, Slotkin has no military service record and your $64k question is worth about about 64 cents.

I also never tried to impeach Trump, which is not only incorrect, but quite irrelevant to this situation and not a valid defense. Like I said, you just don't have command of the facts.

Thanks for trying, though.