ICE Shooting in Minneapolis - Page 5

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.066 Originally Posted by RX792P

... Thanks fer posting THAT, mate.

... Which makes what happened a "good and justifiable shoot"
from the ICE Agent's own perspective.

#### Salty

... It's a "good shoot" according to Minnesota Law SS-609.066
I believe Guv. Tim Walz signed it into Law back in 2020.

... Case closed, lads. Originally Posted by Salty Again

If you are going to misrepresent this in TWO threads, then I am going to call it out in both.

This is fundamentally flawed logic. The law only specifies when use of deadly force is justified. The legal system then has the responsibility to determine whether it was, based on the statute.

Since you are not part of the legal system of the State of Minnesota, you have no validity in determining whether this shooting was justified.

Your statement that "it's a good shoot" according to this law is not correct. It is merely an opinion.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.066 Originally Posted by RX792P

... Thanks fer posting THAT, mate.

... Which makes what happened a "good and justifiable shoot"
from the ICE Agent's own perspective.

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

No. By itself, it does not. This is just your misrepresentation and your opinion.

An opinion that very much ignores THIS part of the statute:

"Subd. 1a.Legislative intent. The legislature hereby finds and declares the following:
(1) that the authority to use deadly force, conferred on peace officers by this section, is a critical responsibility that shall be exercised judiciously and with respect for human rights and dignity and for the sanctity of every human life. The legislature further finds and declares that every person has a right to be free from excessive use of force by officers acting under color of law

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Let's talk about the moral issue here, folks.

Specifically, I'd like to hear from the people on the more "Conservative" side of this. MAGA, if you like.

Was this Agent morally correct to use deadly force here? Did he not fully exercise his responsibility to make sure that this situation did not escalate to the point where he felt deadly force was necessary? Could he have avoided using it while still protecting himself and others?

I'll start.

My opinion is that he failed on all 3 questions above. I believe his actions here were overly aggressive and that he reacted inappropriately. And that he is criminally liable because of it.

No matter what your opinions of this woman or her actions, the actions of this Agent were excessive and he was not justified in killing her.

Morally, this guy was wrong. And he needs to answer for this.

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Let's talk about the moral issue here, folks.

Specifically, I'd like to hear from the people on the more "Conservative" side of this. MAGA, if you like.

Was this Agent morally correct to use deadly force here? Did he not fully exercise his responsibility to make sure that this situation did not escalate to the point where he felt deadly force was necessary? Could he have avoided using it while still protecting himself and others?

I'll start.

My opinion is that he failed on all 3 questions above. I believe his actions here were overly aggressive and that he reacted inappropriately. And that he is criminally liable because of it.

No matter what your opinions of this woman or her actions, the actions of this Agent were excessive and he was not justified in killing her.

Morally, this guy was wrong. And he needs to answer for this.

. Originally Posted by Mort Watt

mmmm that is up to him and his God

IMHO off topic
I think its a good shoot till FBI and ICE say otherwise

... It's a "good shoot" according to Minnesota Law SS-609.066
I believe Guv. Tim Walz signed it into Law back in 2020.

... Case closed, lads.

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

Why are you closing a case you haven't made? How does Jonathan Ross' use of deadly force satisfy the requirements of Subsd. 2?

mmmm that is up to him and his God Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

I would argue that it is a concern for all of us.

IMHO off topic
I think its a good shoot till FBI and ICE say otherwise Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

Since the topic is "ICE shooting in MN"...I think it is very much on topic. Thank you for your opinion.

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Related fallout

At least six federal prosecutors in Minnesota have resigned as the Justice Department has sought to investigate the widow of Renee Nicole Good, who was killed by an ICE agent last week, according to a Tuesday New York Times report.

The development comes as multiple officials in the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division have also resigned in protest to the department’s refusal to conduct a civil rights investigation into the shooting.

The list of resignees includes Acting US Attorney for the District of Minnesota Joseph H. Thompson and Assistant U.S. Attorneys Harry Jacobs, Melinda Williams and Thomas Calhoun-Lopez. The New York Times did not list the names of the other two resignees.

If you are going to misrepresent this in TWO threads, then I am going to call it out in both.

This is fundamentally flawed logic. The law only specifies when use of deadly force is justified. The legal system then has the responsibility to determine whether it was, based on the statute.

Since you are not part of the legal system of the State of Minnesota, you have no validity in determining whether this shooting was justified.

Your statement that "it's a good shoot" according to this law is not correct. It is merely an opinion.

No. By itself, it does not. This is just your misrepresentation and your opinion.

An opinion that very much ignores THIS part of the statute:

"Subd. 1a.Legislative intent. The legislature hereby finds and declares the following:
(1) that the authority to use deadly force, conferred on peace officers by this section, is a critical responsibility that shall be exercised judiciously and with respect for human rights and dignity and for the sanctity of every human life. The legislature further finds and declares that every person has a right to be free from excessive use of force by officers acting under color of law

. Originally Posted by Mort Watt

... What was the "excessive force" here?? ... There was none.
The ICE Agent believed his life was in danger.

Now YOU'RE the one who's mis-representing things.

##### Salty

Related fallout

At least six federal prosecutors in Minnesota have resigned as the Justice Department has sought to investigate the widow of Renee Nicole Good, who was killed by an ICE agent last week, according to a Tuesday New York Times report.

The development comes as multiple officials in the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division have also resigned in protest to the department’s refusal to conduct a civil rights investigation into the shooting.

The list of resignees includes Acting US Attorney for the District of Minnesota Joseph H. Thompson and Assistant U.S. Attorneys Harry Jacobs, Melinda Williams and Thomas Calhoun-Lopez. The New York Times did not list the names of the other two resignees. Originally Posted by RX792P

... What's wrong with them resigning their jobs??
They could do THAT anytime. ... If you're not happy - Quit!

#### Salty

Fuckin bullshit, that pussy ass chicken shit mother fucker should die by firing squad, no due process. Those ICE pieces of shit have no jurisdiction over American citizens to detain. Originally Posted by royamcr

yes they do. it's a crime to interfere with law enforcement local or federal.

Another senseless casualty of the policies of the Turd Reich. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

it's a senseless tragedy this idiot social justice warrior broke the law to support illegal criminals.

I held off judgment until I saw multiple vids and multiple angles. The vid looks very bad for the shooter, if you watch the full before video and aftermath you'll hear from her wife (who's covered in her partner's blood) that they stopped by to video record ICE action, and when ICE swarmed they got scared and wanted to drive away but were fatally shot instead. There's also a slo-mo video that shows the wheels of the car were already turned away from the foremost ICE officer before he unholstered his weapon, and that he opened fire when he was already outside the driving path of the vehicle. The shooter also just casually strolls away unfazed after the shooting. Cold blooded, but I guess that's why they're called ICE.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/ThePeoplesPress/s/2ItmbjUkJx Originally Posted by haskellham

wrong. the video is clear the woman was turning to the right toward the agent. you can see her hands on the wheel turning to the right.

i find it karma that this dead idiot's idiot wifey will spend the rest of her miserable life knowing she caused her death.

I wonder how ICE agents would feel if citizens shot them in the head if they drove within a few feet of them...in self defense of course. Never mind they were just driving through an intersection you're waiting to cross. In fact, that would put their vehicle closer to you on the curb than her car was to the shooter... Originally Posted by 69in2it69

this is so out of date with the facts now it's laughable. they were intentionally blocking traffic for up to 4 minutes. the moment this stupid idiot blocked the road she became a criminal

Very small pov on the action.

Turning out to be a shit town of speculation.

What is not explained is why a guy, with no official plate, wearing a mask, no identification, is blocking the road.

A person is shown driving around him.

Another person is shown being approached by someone who has a mask. Have no identification. I'll stop there since *I* wouldn't stop for a stranger with a gun. And they tried to drive around the above mentioned person blocking the road.

A poster above me incorrectly states the driver was "barreling" towards the person standing in the road. It is clearly apparent they were driving around them BECAUSE if they were driving directly towards them, they would have had the front windshield shot out.

These incidents are rising and people are showing their frustrations, as in the video.

This is what happens when you don't involve local law enforcement into official duties. And no bs response that they are not needed at all or will screw things up.

THIS is a screw up.

Don't be surprised if you find citizens shooting at people who don't identify themselves. Hide their identify. Don't drive official vehicles. Don't have proper documents that justify what they are doing.

A person with two braincells can see the problems with the current HLS actions. Originally Posted by Precious_b

the only thing you get right is it was a screw up .. by this idiot and her wifey

After the hiring spree that ICE and the Border Patrol has undertaken recently I’m curious how much actual training and experience these agents undergo before they are released on the public? Originally Posted by txdot-guy

the agent is a Iraq war vet with over a decade at DHS

I know you think these Neanderthals get to make all the rules themselves, but even their agencies admit they don't. They have rules for use of deadly force. If Good was a threat to Ross and he was acting in self defense, that threat no longer existed after the first shot, so 2 and 3 were not self defense. They were to make sure he killed her. That's what murder charges are for.

The rest of your argument is just an acknowledgement of Ross's sad, fragile insecurity--being antagonized was the real threat to his wannabe-tough-guy self that he needed to defend against. That lines up with shots 2 and 3 neutralizing the threat. Originally Posted by yeahsurewhatev

law enforcement and soldiers are taught "double tap" that is shoot twice to make sure you neutralize the threat

Yet the video indicates something else. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

yes it does and not the narrative you and the radical left media want to claim

Related fallout

At least six federal prosecutors in Minnesota have resigned as the Justice Department has sought to investigate the widow of Renee Nicole Good, who was killed by an ICE agent last week, according to a Tuesday New York Times report.

The development comes as multiple officials in the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division have also resigned in protest to the department’s refusal to conduct a civil rights investigation into the shooting.

The list of resignees includes Acting US Attorney for the District of Minnesota Joseph H. Thompson and Assistant U.S. Attorneys Harry Jacobs, Melinda Williams and Thomas Calhoun-Lopez. The New York Times did not list the names of the other two resignees. Originally Posted by RX792P

... What's wrong with them resigning their jobs??
They could do THAT anytime. ... If you're not happy - Quit!

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

Nothing is wrong with these prosecutors quitting their jobs. What you are either ignoring or just not understanding is the reason these prosecutors resigned their positions.

They did so because they wanted the opportunity and freedom to inform the public that not only is the State of Michigan, the City of Minneapolis and some Federal agencies are all being shut out of the investigation. The investigation by the Trump Administration and the public statements by Trump and Noem certainly points to a coverup of the facts. Else why won’t they allow for an independent inquiry.

She went to a class to learn to do what she did.
Sounds like a suicide by officer class to me.
Seems strange Democ-rats are now pushing for more of the same Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

I for an I, shot to the face for a shot to the face. ICE are target practice now. Snipers take your positions.

yes they do. it's a crime to interfere with law enforcement local or federal.

it's a senseless tragedy this idiot social justice warrior broke the law to support illegal criminals.

wrong. the video is clear the woman was turning to the right toward the agent. you can see her hands on the wheel turning to the right.

i find it karma that this dead idiot's idiot wifey will spend the rest of her miserable life knowing she caused her death.

this is so out of date with the facts now it's laughable. they were intentionally blocking traffic for up to 4 minutes. the moment this stupid idiot blocked the road she became a criminal

the only thing you get right is it was a screw up .. by this idiot and her wifey

the agent is a Iraq war vet with over a decade at DHS

law enforcement and soldiers are taught "double tap" that is shoot twice to make sure you neutralize the threat

yes it does and not the narrative you and the radical left media want to claim Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

I probably agree with some if your observations , but not all.

Readers Digest version……the girls were wrong for blockading traffic. They should not have done that, you’re correct that it turns peaceful protest into a potential confrontation, and anytime confrontations happen with gun wielding participants, something bad will happen.

However, ICE has liability here, the officer was clearly in a confrontation with the wife before the shooting and my opinion is he lost his cool. He was the only guy I saw with a gun drawn. He put himself in a dangerous spot, and shot too quickly to perceived danger no other agent seemed to react to.

It takes 2 to tango. The girls should not have been where they were, the agent over reacted.

Just my thoughts. Have a good day, twk.

elg…..

the video is clear the woman was turning to the right toward the agent. you can see her hands on the wheel turning to the right.

The officer was standing at the LEFT front of the Honda Pilot. Clearly shown in multiple videos.
"hands on the wheel turning to the RIGHT" would have pointed the vehicle away from the officer.

The officer was standing at the LEFT front of the Honda Pilot. Clearly shown in multiple videos.
"hands on the wheel turning to the RIGHT" would have pointed the vehicle away from the officer. Originally Posted by RX792P

turning wheel even away wrong move
all she could do is what he said for her ta do

car moved, sadly dead mmmm oh-well