Want to talk about Dumb Ass Fucks?

Originally Posted by Artist Formally Known As
OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE ALREADY! Do you really not know that a very large portion of our Founding Father's were Deists and Freemasons, and NOT "Bible-Thumping" Christians? Were you a total failure in school, or just a victim of Texas public education?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deists

http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/...info/deism.htm

Included, among others were:

George Washington
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Paine
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
Ethan Allen
James Monroe

Instead of playing guitar, and wasting your time loosing debates with me over and over again, you should pick up a fucking book once in while! First on the list, "The Age of Reason", by Thomas Paine, and here's a little taste to get you started:

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debauches, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel."

Honestly, you make my head want to explode.

OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE ALREADY! Do you really not know that a very large portion of our Founding Father's were Deists and Freemasons, and NOT "Bible-Thumping" Christians? Were you a total failure in school, or just a victim of Texas public education?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deists

http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/...info/deism.htm

Included, among others were:

George Washington
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Paine
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
Ethan Allen
James Monroe

Instead of playing guitar, and wasting your time loosing debates with me over and over again, you should pick up a fucking book once in while! First on the list, "The Age of Reason", by Thomas Paine, and here's a little taste to get you started:

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debauches, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel."

Honestly, you make my head want to explode.

Originally Posted by F-Sharp

You obviously do not understand the Bible at all do you.

Here is the national debt clock for ya.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

You think you are winning a debate??? This is not a debate....... It is two extremely different views. You will never ever change my views or beliefs and I am not trying to change yours since it is clear to me you over think this stuff.... I kinda find it funny that you get all riled up. I don't get riled up like you man. You may need to go see someone since I am about to make your head explode. I am kinda worried about you and your blood pressure.. Maybe you should take a break from the internet F. I will never understand why you libs get so emotional when someone disagrees with you.

Oh and by the way I am reading about 5 books right now and not at the same time. LOL I am sure they are books you would not ever consider reading.
You think you are winning a debate??? This is not a debate....... It is two extremely different views. You will never ever change my views or beliefs and I am not trying to change yours since it is clear to me you over think this stuff.... Originally Posted by Artist Formally Known As
Make no mistake, there are no views to be had here. This is pure fact vs. pure fiction.

Opinion: a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

I don't deal in opinion, only facts and unless you want to perpetuate the Founding Father's discussion, there's nothing even remotely uncertain about anything I've posted here. And if you don't think you're loosing this "debate" over and over again, I suggest you go back and re-read this entire thread and show me where you've supported any of your "views" with anything resembling the truth, much less disproved anything I've posted.

Why this is not perhaps a clue to you that something is simply amiss with your knowledge pool, one will never know.
Since the last time I am writing here, I have been discovering various translation engines, so I hope I do not offend anybody with my grip on your language.

But the "artista" is a Wyldeman in new name. I have been reading his writings and his political views are as, como se dice, OBSTINATE. Either that, or he is one of the many Humptys.

To be more to the point, the substance of the postings are as equally small.

Every language website I see tells me that he is the Artist FORMERLY Known. Even a stupido like me can use Google.

I wish all my fellow Norteamericanos a joyful Independence Day.
Make no mistake, there are no views to be had here. This is pure fact vs. pure fiction.

Opinion: a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

I don't deal in opinion, only facts and unless you want to perpetuate the Founding Father's discussion, there's nothing even remotely uncertain about anything I've posted here. And if you don't think you're loosing this "debate" over and over again, I suggest you go back and re-read this entire thread and show me where you've supported any of your "views" with anything resembling the truth, much less disproved anything I've posted.

Why this is not perhaps a clue to you that something is simply amiss with your knowledge pool, one will never know. Originally Posted by F-Sharp
So you are pure fiction....Then why do they call it political views???? F all you do is post countless drivel to support your extreme leftest views...

Here is a fact you think Obama is the best ever.
Here is another you actually think that Obummer care is gonna actually save us money. There is no way that you can even come close to proving that and it is all pure speculation based on what your leader and the CBO is speculating. So it is in no way a fucking fact!

The only real fact here is that we do not agree on anything politically.

I am loosing a debate! So what do you get if you win F. Do you get the title of most confrontational jackass on a SHMB? Who really gives a fuck except for yourself.

I really do not know how many ways to tell you F except I will never agree with you on anything politically. I also do not care to win anything here, unless you can produce gold at will.
F all you do is post countless drivel to support your extreme leftest views... Originally Posted by Artist Formally Known As
When exactly did forming opinions based on facts and figures become "extreme leftest[sp] views"?

Here is a fact you think Obama is the best ever. Originally Posted by Artist Formally Known As
Wrong again. If given the choice he wouldn't have my vote. I will be voting against Romney and the current clowns that make up the GOP, not voting for Obama. However, besides his decision to extend the Bush tax cuts in 2010 and allowing himself to be held hostage by Congress, my reasons for doing so have nothing to do with his economic policies,

There is no way that you can even come close to proving that and it is all pure speculation based on what your leader and the CBO is speculating. So it is in no way a fucking fact! Originally Posted by Artist Formally Known As
Luckily, I don't have to. The numbers speak for themselves. In addition to the CBO, here is short list of other folks that happen to agree with them:

Joint Committee on Taxation
Office of Management and Budget
Department of Health and Human Services
The State of Massachusetts
The Heritage Foundation

Wait, hold on a minute! Isn't the Heritage Foundation an ultra-right wing Conservative organization? Why, yes. As a matter fact it is! The origins of having a health insurance mandate started with the Heritage Foundation way back in 1989. In fact, Republicans introduced healthcare legislation that contained and individual mandate not once, but twice in 1993. Advocates for those bills then included including Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Robert Bennett (R-UT), and Christopher Bond (R-MO). All of which claim they oppose the mandate today. See SB 1743 and SB 1770 for some real interesting reading.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/15/he...ives.html?_r=1

The only real fact here is that we do not agree on anything politically. Originally Posted by Artist Formally Known As
Em, no. The real fact is that you don't agree with facts. Me and my political views have absolutely nothing to do with it. All of my information comes from well-documented sources that apparently everyone but you accepts as truth. There's nothing "political" about it.

Since you seem to feel so very strongly against the information I've posted, perhaps you might consider sharing with us your reasons for all this opposition. You seem to have some very strong opinions, do you actually have any real basis for them? I've showed you plenty of mine, now start showing us yours.
So Artist, what is the answer then? We all like to say we have the greatest healthcare system in the world...which is simply not true. Some ranking by the WHO.
Preventable Deaths - 14th
Life expectancy - 24th
Infant mortality - 34th

Now throw in the 20 to 50 million people without health insurance and our SYSTEM is terrible. We have great doctors, some of the best in world if you can afford it, but not if you can't.

So what, right? So people that get sick wait and then go to ER where tylenol costs $200. Who pays for that? 1/3 is typically paid by patient (avg), 1/3 is paid directly by US govt (you and I) and 1/3 is eaten by health insurance companies (but wait, they don't eat it, they pass it along to...you and I). What is the answer? Something has to change...our costs cannot continue to go up this way. US spends more on healthcare than any other country (norway being second). Every car that drives off an assembly line has a tax on it...the US car companies pay (partially) for healthcare while the REST of the modern world is some form of socialized medicine (uh oh, did i lose you with "socialized"? Whats the answer? Fuck em, let em die?

Every year people complain about not getting raises, but if you get your healthcare through your company you have been getting raises, likely around 10%, it just goes to your benefits. Fix healthcare and you'll paycheck will go UP. Fix healthcare and goods and services will be competitive around the world with companies not paying absurd amounts to insure employees.

What is the answer, Artist?

By the way, I am a screaming liberal and you mentioned something about shooting every damn one you see...I also believe in the 2nd amendment...you should watch your mouth.

See, I am your worst enemy, I am educated man that understands policy. you seem to just fall in line with sound bites, bet you were a 'drill baby drill' guy, be honest...right?

I understand policy, I actually read Roberts' majority opinion, did you? Yes Obama said he did not perceive the Affordable Care Act as a tax, more of a penalty, its semantics. If you have healthcare, guess what, you don't get taxed/penalized. If Roberts had held up the ACA in the commerce clause which is where BO intended NOTHING would be different. I know, I am just a BO follower right? Nope, he didn't go far enough with healthcare, we should have medicare for all citizens, just like the Veterans Administration. You have a not for profit entity running our healthcare and costs would go down, study after study shows that (the non profit in this case would be the gov't). Did you know most companies 'self insure?' effectively cutting the middleman out of the equation, they pay some big company like MetLife or Aetna to administer the plan, but the bills go the company. Why do they do that and if its good enough for corporate america its good enough for america.

Obama may not get my vote because he didn't close GITMO
He targeted an american citizen abroad and killed him, Anwar Al Alaki. Yes a very bad dude, but we have due process in our country. two weeks later they targeted and killed is 16 year old son.

Artist, I am from NYC. I worked across the hudson in jersey city when the planes hit. I watched the second plane hit...I saw people jump rather than burn, but the answer is not be UNAMERICAN and start changing our fundamental principles, fair and speedy trial, torture, targeting Muslim Americans....i bet you didn't like the mosque at ground zero too right?

Ok, rant is over, go ahead and spew whatever Hannity tells you.
Winning! Just the fact you two have nothing better to do than to rant at me proves you guys are more of a loser than anyone else on the internet.

Why don't you argue with each other!

NYC go back to NYC get out of my state. You Damn Yankee!

Oh ya and Fshard debate is just another word for argue.....

I like how you think because you find a website that agrees with your point of view you call it a fact! priceless.
Winning, OK Mr. Sheen. Nothing better to do? I love talking policy, not politics, I would argue/debate this all day if I could. Interesting how nothing substantial was put forth by you. I suspect that is due to your lack of substance.

Go back to NYC, nope, I like it here. I keep buying more and more land and love it!!!

I assume the website thing was directed at me. Yes, I actually read source material, World Health Org, I read the ACA (its 900 pages by the way,not the claimed 2K), I read the 9/11 report, I read the majority and minority opinion on ACA ruling (did you know that Roberts helped write the minority also?)

Just reply with a simple Fuck You and I will stop lighting you up.
I believe Mr. Artista is not from Texas, too. North Carolina, verdad?

What does that make him? A caballero from the South?

We have a saying in the REAL South. If it walks and talks like a ... ARTISTA ... then it is.

Too many Norteamericanos are angry but cannot explain why. This does not sound logical to me. This sounds very much like hateful talk. We would just go to the court and make new seats. I think this is what you would like to do.

Even in Mexico, the poor are take care of. Why must you always be against what helps the most people, Senor Artista formally known as?

Come to el Sud Verdadero. We will help y ou feel at home!

Jajajaja!
I was born in TX and been her my whole life.

Mexico does not take care of the poor.

I am OK with helping people, just not the Government doing it. They waste more than they actually help.
Winning, OK Mr. Sheen. Nothing better to do? I love talking policy, not politics, I would argue/debate this all day if I could. Interesting how nothing substantial was put forth by you. I suspect that is due to your lack of substance.

Go back to NYC, nope, I like it here. I keep buying more and more land and love it!!!

I assume the website thing was directed at me. Yes, I actually read source material, World Health Org, I read the ACA (its 900 pages by the way,not the claimed 2K), I read the 9/11 report, I read the majority and minority opinion on ACA ruling (did you know that Roberts helped write the minority also?)

Just reply with a simple Fuck You and I will stop lighting you up. Originally Posted by il doctore
You are lighting me up with what???

I really could care less for you Yanks or the damn Californians... Why you leaving those states??? Oh ya high fucking taxes! You New Yorkers are some rude people.
I lit you up with facts. You are just being abusive. I was minding my business when you mentioned wanting to shoot liberals. I left NYC as a quality of life choice, definitely taxes included.

How am I rude? I gave sound policy points to which you are clearly unable to answer, thats fine, then you shouldn't engage in policy debates, cause when you argue from a point of ignorance (not ad hominem, just not informed) you get lit up.

Also interested in how an ultra conservative as you seem can be someone who frequents hookers...maybe you are more libertarian than republican.

Alright dude, I am done, if you are ever selling any land, shoot me a PM, I am always buying...
Yes, no point in trying to educate someone who has the maturity and intellect of a fifteen year old boy. I love all of the pictorial "evidence" Nice try though, gentlemen.