The US Missile Defense System Is Only 50% Accurate Against North Korea

#3: Have you ever had a personal one-on-one conversation with a SK intelligence officer who was assigned to the U.S. military? Have you ever had a one-on-one conversation with a U.S. intelligence officer/contractor assigned to the U.S. military or the SK military? How about any intelligence officer/agent/contractor for any military ...

.. BTW: I'm not talking about a desk analyst who pretends. I'm talking about a "field operative" who comes and goes with multiple identities and multiple passports, and who rarely ever leave from the U.S. as a final departure point.

Have a nice day .... and do some more internet research! Originally Posted by LexusLover

I've provided links backing up everything I've said. Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

What's your point? If you have one.

The sad part about your rant is the information you really need to evaluate in making an assessment of the relative/comparative strength and resilience of the respective "militaries" of NK and the U.S. won't be found in "links," which is highly appropriate. What you need to see is "CLASSIFIED" ...

....and FYI I'm not talking about "ads" in the paper! Originally Posted by LexusLover

"Connecting the dots"!

Not the one on your forehead.

I've noticed a trend by you that is apparently adopted from other internet experts who seek "links" to information that supports their desired conclusion.

With just about every "war" ... or "police action" ... or military intrusion threatened (either directly or impliedly) there seems to be a band or element of the U.S. population who predict impending doom upon the U.S. if they enter into any skirmishes ....

... it must come from the portion of our society that facilitates and supports the Ninja-Looking Antifa, who seem to be emulating ISIS or some cartoon characters while they threaten to over-throw the U.S. government.

Do you sympathize with Antifa?

Have you found any "links" on the flatness of Earth?

How about your forehead?

Two articles that show a possible result of an attack on NK.

So what's your point? Only 50,000 to 200,000 shells will hit Seoul over the course of a week?

"The North Koreans have produced two different 240mm rocket launchers, the 12 round M-1985 and 22 round M-1991. The M-1985 rocket pack is easily identified as it has 2 rows of 6 tubes and is mounted on a cab behind engine chassis. The M-1991 is mounted on a cab over engine chassis. Both launch packs could be adapted to any suitable heavy cross-country truck.
In the fall of 1993, in a conversation with the Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Army (Research and Technology), the Commander-in-Chief, Combined Forces Command (CINC CFC) stated that the North Korean 240mm Multiple Rocket Launchers (MRLs) posed a significant psychological and political threat to South Korea and the CFC. This weapon poses a significant threat, in that a very large number of 240mm MRLs are poised north of the demilitarized zone (DMZ) and are targeted toward South Korean urban areas and military targets.
According to some reports, the DPRK has about 200 of these launchers in service. North Korea continues to improve its military. Highlighting these enhancements is an ambitious program to improve ground forces capabilities. A key component of this initiative involves the deployment of large numbers of long-range 240mm multiple rocket launcher systems and 170mm self-propelled guns to hardened sites located near the Demilitarized Zone.

According to one report, a South Korean security analyst suggested that DPRK artillery pieces of calibers 170mm and 240mm "could fire 10,000 rounds per minute to Seoul and its environs." North Korea has about 500 long-range artillery tubes within range of Seoul, and the total rate of fire of these artillery pieces would be between 2,000 and 4,000 rounds per minute. The DPRK's two hundred 240mm MRLs fire either 12 or 22 rounds, providing a maximum single salvo of no more than 4,400 rounds.
These launchers can fire a first strike of many thousands of missiles and return in a few minutes to protected caves or to alternate firing positions. The MRLs move out from underground facilities (UGFs), fire from preplanned firing positions, and return to the UGFs. Examination of the available data on the UGF sites suggests that a number of possible "exit and return" methods for the MRLs may be possible. In this case, the launchers move directly from the firing points to the UGFs. This procedure makes it difficult to target the launchers, because once they fire it only takes 75 seconds to return to their UGFs. The MRLs can fire their complete set of rockets in 44 seconds. Data from the Joint Precision Strike Demonstration Project Office indicates that the crew then needs two minutes to lower the launcher, raise the stabilizing pads, and quickly return to the UGF. This gives a total exposure time of 164 seconds. However, it is possible that the MRLs could displace faster than the JSPD case or that they might take longer. [SOURCE]"

https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...m-1985-mrl.htm


"The M-1978 (KOKSAN) 170mm self propelled (SP) gun, of North Korean design and manufacture, is probably mounted on a T-54 chasis, a Chinese Type 59 hull or a T62 Chassis [most soruces tend towards the Type 59 tank chassis, the CHICOM derivative of the T-54]. The 170mm gun has no superstructure, and it has 2 large spades at the rear. The 170mm (~6.69") gun itself is a previously unknown type, possibly Russian coastal-defence or ex-naval weapon. The M-1978 Koksan gun was first noted publicly in a parade in 1985. The Koksan is named after the city in North Korea where it was first seen by the West in 1978. The M-1978 version carried no on-board ammunition supply.The M1989 KOKSAN is a later version or modified M1978 which carries 12 rounds on-board ammunition supply. North Korea used them in batteries of 36 vehicles & supplied them to Iran when missiles became available as replacements.

During the Iran-Iraq War, key oil facilities of both nations were within artillery range of each other's armies. By June 1982, the Iraqis had been driven completely out of Iran. From that point on, Iraq spent most of the war on the defensive. In 1986 and the beginning of 1987, Iran launched new offensives, the last reaching the outskirts of Basra before again bogging down. Meanwhile, Iraq initiated a new tanker war in the Gulf, prompting Iran to target neutral shipping. Kuwait provided billions of dollars in loans and grants to support Iraq, and found itself in the middle of the combatants.
Iran acquired a number of M1978 Koksan guns from North Korea in 1987. "At that time, it was the longest-range field gun made anywhere in the world, capable of firing a rocket-assisted projectile to a range of almost 60 kilometers. It had been used by the Iranians to conduct harassment fire from the Al-Faw Peninsula into Kuwait's northeastern oil fields." [Ally to Adversary, page 27] With the Iran/Iraq War raging just to the north, fighting spilled over into Kuwait, and the steady pounding from the artillery barrages just to north shook the walls in Kuwait City.

Since 1993, the North has reinforced its artillery capability in the forward area. As of 1998 the South Korean military estimated that the DPRK had finished deploying 170mm self-propelled artillery with their range of over 50km and 240mm MRLS in the central and western areas, and was in the process of increasing deployment of these two weapons systems in the eastern area.

North Korea continues to improve its military. Highlighting these enhancements is an ambitious program to improve ground forces capabilities. A key component of this initiative involves the deployment of large numbers of long-range 240mm multiple rocket launcher systems and 170mm self-propelled guns to hardened sites located near the Demilitarized Zone. With the exception of the 170mm M-1978 Koksan gun, a new turreted self-propelled gun observed in a 1992 parade, and perhaps a few other systems, most artillery was developed from older Soviet and Chinese designs.

The M1989 Koksan was a further development of the M1978 Koksan. It carries the same 170mm Soviet Costal Gun mounted on a new chassis which can carry 12 on-board rounds. Both M1989 and M1978 are located over the DMZ these vehicles were designed to hit Seoul from the DMZ. The M1989 was introduced in 1983 and presented a lengthened chassis with a front cabin reminiscent of the Soviet 2S7 Pion.

According to one report, a South Korean security analyst suggested that DPRK artillery pieces of calibers 170mm and 240mm "could fire 10,000 rounds per minute to Seoul and its environs." The number of Koksan guns is not publicly reported, but it is reliably reported that North Korea has about 500 long-range artillery tubes within range of Seoul, double the levels of a the mid-1990s. Large caliber self propelled artillery pieces typically have a sustained rate of fire of between four and eight rounds per minute. This suggests a total rate of fire of artillery alone of between 2,000 and 4,000 rounds per minute. The DPRK's two hundred 240mm MRLs fire either 12 or 22 rounds, providing a maximum single salvo of no more than 4,400 rounds.

North Korea is establishing a host of antitank defensive positions on the eastern and western fronts of the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) that bisects the two Koreas. The North Korean army has been building antitank defensive positions north of the Military Demarcation Line (MDL) in Kangwon Province since March 2001, and in early 2002 such positions were going up along the western front as well. It is exceptional for the North to build defensive facilities as its strategy has always centered on an offensive posture. The North has demanded that South Korea abolish its defensive concrete walls, designed to deter advancing North Korean tanks, south of the MDL. By January 2002 fifty more positions had reportedly been spotted on flat land and roads, which ensure that tanks and other vehicles can be conveniently maneuvered. The positions are reportedly five meter-high concrete structures with holes at the front, left and right for antitank guns. The structures are camouflaged by earth and sand after completion.
Given North Korea's reliance on artillery as the foundation of their combat power and the size of these positions, they are likely designed for self-propelled artillery pieces such as north Korea's Koksan Gun. The height of the positions is much more then is required to provide protection for either tanks or anti-tank guns. Tanks are usually employed "hull down" in which only the turret is exposed and anti-tank guns which have little use against modern armor, normally seek to fire at the flank of armored vehicles at close range in restricted terrain. Anti-tank guns are of little value against the K-1 and M-60s of south Korea's military. North Korea's only realistic chance to take out modern armor is with the use of anti-tank missiles, mines, or close infantry assault.

On 07 March 2016, South Korea and the United States began joint annual war games "Key Resolve" and "Foal Eagle," which Pyongyang claimed were rehearsals for northward invasion. On 26 March 2016 the DPRK threatened to fire long-range artillery at Seoul unless South Korean President Park Geun-hye apologizes and punishes those who planned striking the DPRK leadership. Pyongyang issued the warning in an ultimatum sent to the Park administration by the artillery force of the Korean People's Army(KPA). The ultimatum urged Park to offer "an official apology" to all Korean people for "dare attempts to slander and do harm to the sun of Songun," which refers to the DPRK's top leader, Kim Jong Un.

Korean Central News Agency reported that "The recent simultaneous firings conducted by the long-range artillery force of the Korean People's Army, rocking the earth and sky, turned the imaginary enemy bases of provocation into a sea of flames in a flash. This was a great eruption of its irrepressible hatred and wrath at the enemy which committed the thrice-cursed act of daring attempt to hurt the dignity of the supreme leadership of the DPRK. It was, at the same time, the beginning of the merciless retaliatory campaign to put the most miserable end to the Park Geun Hye group of south Korea."

Korean Central News Agency reported 27 March 2016 that "Citizens in the DPRK fully support the ultimatum to the south Korean puppet group recently issued by the long-range artillery force of the Korean People's Army. Kim Han Il, manager of the Chollima Steel Complex, told KCNA: "The KPA's ultimatum is as good as the last warning to those provokers by the workers of my complex. The respected Marshal Kim Jong Un is the great sun of Songun Korea representing the destiny and future of the Korean nation. It is a never-to-be-condoned crime to point an accusing finger at the sun.""

https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...m-1978-170.htm

As both of those articles point out, the number of shells that can be fired at Seoul, per minute, is huge.
Is it enough to "destroy" Seoul? Fuck if I know.
It's enough to fuck it up and kill a shitload of people. In Seoul.
There are many guns in range of other SK centers of population.
Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

I sum up my take on the articles.

A couple of "issues" you've brought up.

#1: I see that you have also personally examined my OMPF, along with some other "historical" Eccie Posters, eg. BigTex, etc.*

*It would occur to me that there are so many people on here who know all about me (just look at their claims along with yours) that they would know EVERYTHING about me .... and consequently they would share all of that personal information with you. I mean: WTF outs people's RW information with the bat of an eye! Then there is AssUp ... knows EVERYTHING about me! And let's not leave out Speedo!!!!! Are they not sharing with you, Munchie?

Or are they just intentionally trying to make you look stupid.

Speedo made himself look stupid WITH his threat to "kick my ass all the way back to Houston" then asking me what "condition" I was in. AssUp did with his Clarksville bullshit (ignoring OFFICIAL CITY OF AUSTIN/STATE MAPS!) You're on the way, Little Boy!

#2: The above statement alone reflects the depth of your ignorance of ALL THINGS MILITARY, particularly today, particularly when "added' to your 15,000 units over a 160 mile DMZ claim to attack Seoul. (Do I detect a "retreat" by you? You moved from "units" to "fortifications" to "a week" of shelling and "rocketing" of Seoul! Where will you retreat and hide now?)You are a true dumb-shit. Units are the guns/launchers etc. Fortifications (you know, sand castles you stupid motherfuckers) are the multiple hardened shelters available for each unit, and the week is the estimated time cited articles gave as a possibility that they could survive. Remember asshole,
these are in the mountains. It took weeks to destroy a similar number in the desert by at least twice the aircraft.

I don't know if it's reflective of your general ignorance of "military planning" and "tactics" the "resources" available for intelligence gathering .... or perhaps you just want to make up shit and ignore reality ..... during these alleged "50 years" of preparationCloser to 70 years douche-bag. What's with your lack of reading comprehension? you claim has been on going by NK ... what do you think the SK's and U.S. (U.N.) military and intelligence personnel have been doing? Partying? Do you believe "the Bones" flying around the perimeters of NK were there for "fluff"? For "show" (like you are with your big fat blue letters)?

You have all the answers, right?

#3: Have you ever had a personal one-on-one conversation with a SK intelligence officer who was assigned to the U.S. military? Have you ever had a one-on-one conversation with a U.S. intelligence officer/contractor assigned to the U.S. military or the SK military? How about any intelligence officer/agent/contractor for any military ...

.. BTW: I'm not talking about a desk analyst who pretends. I'm talking about a "field operative" who comes and goes with multiple identities and multiple passports, and who rarely ever leave from the U.S. as a final departure point.

Have a nice day .... and do some more internet research! Originally Posted by LexusLover

Next you launch into a rant about some personal file of yours that supposedly some other members have seen.
You go on to say;
#1: I see that you have also personally examined my OMPF, along with some other "historical" Eccie Posters, eg. BigTex, etc.*


You see I've examined your file? I don't know where you got that idea. Send me a link and I'll check it out.

I'll be upfront and say that I will have to see your OMPF to believe it. You show none of the traits or intelligence of a person with inside knowledge on this situation, let alone an ex-military intelligence officer or some such.

To be even more forthcoming, I wouldn't believe the file at all. How would you prove it to be yours? Besides, why would you make information like that available? To what end?
To try and impress 30 people on a hooker board and for us to give you a pass on providing links? Because you're so honest and smart?

I haven't said Seoul would be destroyed. I've repeatedly said massive casualties. The estimates are 20000 to 1,000,000
Numerous people claim we'll just waltz in and wipe the NKs out. They ignore the weeks of softening up we did on Iraqi defenses to pull off the massive rollback we did to them. They forget Viet Nam had nowhere near the weapons the NKs have. The same people see no reason to protect ourselves from taking a large number of casualties ourselves. Because it's not their asses on the line.
Only a person who has never been in the service or risked his own ass would mistake caution and preparation as being afraid to engage the enemy.
This includes you, lexusliar.

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

In the above comment, I reiterate I haven't said Seoul would be destroyed. I point out people like you and your new girlfriend (sorry if I've misidentified your roles in the relationship) are not taking the amounts of munitions or the weeks of preparation needed to destroy NKs defensive networks. You downplay NK ability to respond without citing any sources and then, as you still do now, equate caution and preparations with being a coward. Further proof you know nothing about the military. You go way past justified confidence and replace it with hubris.

You have yet to show any links to back your position.

Lexus,
Yes, Munchie's version of reality washes away like a sand castle on a beach. Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

Your new friend reposts a picture he put up in response to me saying NK had fortifications. Neither one of you acknowledges the network of hardened positions NK has. I provided a link that described them.

Roadkill is not "entertaining," ...

... but it's good to keep a lookout for it so the odor doesn't linger.

I think I've mentioned before ... about him ... and others....

.. he (they) remind me of the first days of "chatrooms" in which I saw someone comment there were more self-proclaimed "Commercial Airline Pilots" in chatrooms than the FAA had issued licenses.

Same with "all things military" ... the media pundits and Munchie, et al, ... are advising the Trump administration on military tactics and assessments ... ?

Is that the same as Vegas Bookies awarding MVP's? Originally Posted by LexusLover

Next he shows he equates chatrooms with national security meetings. This is just a hooker board, you stupid douche-bag. There are a few of you that forget that. He puts forth his opinion (uncited) as fact over the opinions of others, regardless if they have offered up facts or cited information that led to that opinion.
And even though those opinions have never been presented as fact, the cowardly liar continues to build his case with them. He is starting to head into meltdown mode with his new friend urging him on.

What's your point? If you have one.

The sad part about your rant is the information you really need to evaluate in making an assessment of the relative/comparative strength and resilience of the respective "militaries" of NK and the U.S. won't be found in "links," which is highly appropriate. What you need to see is "CLASSIFIED" ...

....and FYI I'm not talking about "ads" in the paper!

So the above statement by you underscores just how stupid you are!

Again: Have you gotten a peek at my OMPF?

According to WTF, AssUp, ButtScramble, Speedo, and BigTex THEY HAVE!

Have they been holding out on you and allowing you to look stupid? Originally Posted by LexusLover

He is now into his meltdown. Of course there is classified information on this subject. Don't need a revalation from you to know that. So what. I form my OPINION based on the availbe info on the web. In spite of what your fucked up head thinks, trump doesn't monitor this site for evaluations.

Which brings us to the fact you have no idea what is in the classified files. You don't know but you're sure that it proves me stupid. Stupid because I used accessable information.
Information you have not even attempted to refute.

What is your excuse this time? Too lazy? You're too stupid?
It is all on your other computer? The dog ate it?

Since this is a hooker board, why would there be classified information revealed on here?

"Connecting the dots"!

Not the one on your forehead.

I've noticed a trend by you that is apparently adopted from other internet experts who seek "links" to information that supports their desired conclusion. You almost got it but you still fail.
From the news and my reading over the past 50 years, I know NK has a sizable artillery force. Not being an expert, I check several sources for information. The information I find on quantities is pretty consistent. The main difference of OPINION is in the amount of damage that might be done by it.
I point out the fact it is a major variable and deserves caution and respect.
The people who represent themselves as experts (now I'm talking about you, you low life corpy fucking bitch), some even with access to "classified information apparently, want to throw caution to the wind and charge in with all guns blazing. Anybody who thinks different will be ridiculed and marginalized

With just about every "war" ... or "police action" ... or military intrusion threatened (either directly or impliedly) there seems to be a band or element of the U.S. population who predict impending doom upon the U.S. if they enter into any skirmishes ....

... it must come from the portion of our society that facilitates and supports the Ninja-Looking Antifa, who seem to be emulating ISIS or some cartoon characters while they threaten to over-throw the U.S. government.

Do you sympathize with Antifa?

Have you found any "links" on the flatness of Earth?

How about your forehead? Originally Posted by LexusLover

We finally get to the end of your bullshit. The queen of ridicule and marginalization tries to go out with a bang.
You notice trends you can't show.
You make no attempt at proving anything you say. Can't say I'm sorry you've given up trying to keep any credibility and are grabbing your meltdown with both hands. You've committed yourself to the rank and file of the "Because I Said So." brigade. You used to post links but then, and I can't remember who pointed it out, your own links began to regularly refute you. And now you've given up.
Maybe this is the Christmas you finally grow the balls to put your toe into the trigger guard. After you borrow or steal a gun (That pesky sexual assault conviction coming back to haunt you) that is.
It's okay to break down and have a good cry.
Just do it someplace else.

....Your new friend reposts a picture he put up in response to me saying NK had fortifications. Neither one of you acknowledges the network of hardened positions NK has. I provided a link that described them.... Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Yeah, and you simply don't get it, that one medium size US bomb will go through the roof of any of those. What makes you think the US doesn't know where those all are?
Btw, do you even know what these are:
GBU-37
GBU-28
GBU-27
GBU-24
GBU-15
GBU-10
AGM-130
And the recent addition (a couple years ago).
GBU-57

As I've said more than once, if the NK fat man does something stupid, this will be a techie war of targeted asset strikes.
Thank you for more lunchtime sadly entertaining amusement.

I quickly glossed over this thread, however I truly believe there is nobody outside of special sections of the military and it's command that actually know how accurate our weapons are.

The pilot of this F-15 is sierra hotel, something you whiskey deltas will never understand.

This video was published in 2007, so it's at least 10 years old, no doubt technology has improved since then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJOWHdMVMAY

I quickly glossed over this thread, however I truly believe there is nobody outside of special sections of the military and it's command that actually know how accurate our weapons are.

The pilot of this F-15 is sierra hotel, something you whiskey deltas will never understand.

This video was published in 2007, so it's at least 10 years old, no doubt technology has improved since then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJOWHdMVMAY Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

accurate to 10 feet.

I think they prolly got it down to 1 yard or 1 foot.

I would suggest the technology is more "refined" in recent years.

In the late 60's I recall watching Israelis Air Force training footage in which they were practicing "marksmanship" over the desert at "dust up" levels at large targets with bull's eyes suspended between goal post looking stanchions and mock up tanks and artillery. It was in preparation for the '67 war. "Low tech" but lethal.

If I'm your entertainment then your life must suck. You realize you're on the internet,
right?
Yes, I know what they are. Yes, I know what their capabilities are.
As I've said numerous times it's not about accuracy or the fact there are 2 or 3 firing positions per battery. They had 20+ years to conceal these before we had satellites. But that's not the case either.
You keep saying if he does something stupid. I've been saying if the stupid thing he does is fire on the border cities with his artillery then there can be massive casualties.
And if he fires first your GBUs will be doing a lot of clean up. Because the US counter-battery fire will be on them long before the aircraft get up. Our system is the best in the world. That's why they have 3 firing positions for NKs guns/launchers.
There is no question who will get wiped out. But like I've said numerous times, it takes time to wipe them out.
And in that time, there can be massive casualties.
It was just a statement in reference to a pre-emptive strike by us.
Let's hope trump doesn't do something stupid first.

Yeah, and you simply don't get it, that one medium size US bomb will go through the roof of any of those. What makes you think the US doesn't know where those all are?
Btw, do you even know what these are:
GBU-37
GBU-28
GBU-27
GBU-24
GBU-15
GBU-10
AGM-130
And the recent addition (a couple years ago).
GBU-57

As I've said more than once, if the NK fat man does something stupid, this will be a techie war of targeted asset strikes.
Thank you for more lunchtime sadly entertaining amusement. Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

Did Munchie just get back from his "confidential" briefing on the "status of forces" for the Korean Peninsula and the "prognosis" on success if the FatAss Thug decides to go "ballistic"? Another pasting Bold, Blue Bullshit!

Sorry douche-bag. You have to say something, you can't add to the subject because of that barrier between you and common knowldge. The panic builds, he lets a hot pocket shart go in his shorts.
Oh wait, you'll go with font!!

Did Munchie just get back from his "confidential" briefing on the "status of forces" for the Korean Peninsula and the "prognosis" on success if the FatAss Thug decides to go "ballistic"? Another pasting Bold, Blue Bullshit! Originally Posted by LexusLover