The rtight to Privacy and Face Mask wearing

  • oeb11
  • 07-23-2020, 02:16 PM
L17 - I recognize I have a different stand on vaccines - but your question is indeed appropriate.

FDA is responsible for approving the release of drugs upon proof of efficacy and safety - proven in American studies.

the antigen(s) in a vaccine are part of the safety review -and the clinical results of controlled trials.

If your question is not answered - a vaccine won't be released.



Look up that thalidomide was not released in the US.
L17 - I recognize I have a different stand on vaccines - but your question is indeed appropriate.

FDA is responsible for approving the release of drugs upon proof of efficacy and safety - proven in American studies.

the antigen(s) in a vaccine are part of the safety review -and the clinical results of controlled trials.

If your question is not answered - a vaccine won't be released.



Look up that thalidomide was not released in the US. Originally Posted by oeb11
I would rather see researchers put their time and money on an actual treatment rather than a vaccine.
if you don't wear a mask, many businesses will not do business with you.

as for 100% masking, its not necessary. if you're outside, no need to wear a mask. unless there is a lot of people in crowded conditions under 3 ft, in that case wear one.

wear a mask when you go inside a building. enclosed buildings are virus vectors unless they're sterilized every day. they do stay in air via the air condition circulation. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

Interesting isn't it that they initiated lock downs and quarantines where people would naturally spend more time in their homes in an effort to curtail the spread.
  • oeb11
  • 07-24-2020, 09:26 AM
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...preading-covid
Air Conditioning May Be Spreading COVID

By Brenda Goodman, MA

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July 8, 2020 -- As COVID-19 cases rise rapidly throughout the South, some scientists believe there could be an important, but overlooked factor in the spread of the virus in the region--air conditioning.
Just as chilly winter temps create the perfect conditions for passing colds and flu—driving people indoors and into closer proximity for more hours of the day where it’s easy to swap germs, researchers believe broiling heat in the southern U.S. could be having the same effect, sending people indoors where whirring air conditioners are running full blast.





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“You go indoors for the cool, just as in the northeast and other cool places you go in for the warmth in winter, so you’re less socially distanced,” says Edward Nardell, MD, professor of environmental health and immunology and infectious diseases at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health. “You’re more likely to be touching the same surfaces that have been contaminated by people speaking and coughing etc.,” he says.
And that’s not the only problem.
Air conditioning is also risky because of the way air handlers work. When outdoor temperatures are extreme, HVAC systems adjust the mix of fresh air they pull in to save energy. That means the hotter it is outside, the more indoor air recirculates, which means, “You’re breathing a higher percentage of the same air that other people are exhaling,” Nardell says. If someone in the building is shedding the new coronavirus, it can build up in the recirculated air.
And this may seem obvious, but air conditioners have fans that blow the air around. That gives the smallest viral particles—aerosols--extra lift to say suspended in the air for longer. “The air currents that are produced by air conditioners and also fans and other air moving devices can carry particles further than they might otherwise go,” he says.
Air conditioners also remove moisture from the air, “and we know viruses prefer dry air,” he says.
In certain situations, that combination of factors may create the perfect conditions for contagion.

Emerging Evidence Points To Airborne Transmission

Studies of air conditioning come as more evidence emerges about airborne spread of COVID-19. In a commentary published this week in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases, an international group of 239 scientists have appealed to “national and international bodies” including the World Health Organization, to recognize this potential for airborne spread.
“We’re pushing because we need very clear, consistent messaging to the world,” said Shelly Miller, PhD, a professor of mechanical engineering who studies indoor air quality at the University of Colorado at Boulder. Miller was one of the chief proponents of the commentary. “This virus is opportunistically airborne, you can get it by inhaling it,” she says.
Miller and others believe that WHO and other public health agencies have a blind spot when it comes to airborne transmission.
This virus is opportunistically airborne, you can get it by inhaling it.
Shelly Miller, PhD, University of Colorado at Boulder
“Based on our assessments of outbreaks, air sampling, and animal studies and we have just as much evidence to show that airborne transmission is happening as is surface transmission, so we need clear guidance for how to address this,” Miller says.
In its latest press briefing, WHO experts responded to the communication, and said the agency would be publishing a scientific brief summarizing their view of the science shortly.
“We acknowledge that there is emerging evidence in this field,” said Benedetta Allegranzi, MD, WHO’s technical lead for infection prevention and control, “We believe we have to be open to this evidence and understand its implications regarding the modes of transmission and the precautions that need to be taken,” she said.
The Role of Air Conditioning

So far, there are just a few studies pointing to the role of air conditioning in the spread of COVID-19. They indicate more research in the area is needed. In July, Chinese scientists published a short study detailing the results of their investigation of a cluster of COVID-19 cases linked to the same restaurant. The 10 diners who fell ill were all sitting at tables on the same side of the room. The tables were spaced more than 3 feet apart, though, indicating that the virus probably wasn’t being passed through larger droplets, which fall out of the air pretty quickly. Instead, they think “strong airflow” from a wall mounted air conditioner probably spread aerosols, or “micro-droplets”, from a single infected, but asymptomatic person over the tables, infecting three different families.

In another study, which hasn’t yet been peer reviewed, researchers swabbed three different HVAC units at the Oregon Health and Science University Hospital in Portland. Then they checked their samples for the presence of genetic material from the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The swabs were positive in 1 out of every 4 samples taken.
“We found it in multiple locations within the air handler,” says study author Kevin Van Den Wymelenberg, PhD, a professor of architecture and director of the Institute for Health in the Built Environment at the University of Oregon in Eugene.
A similar study, from the University of Nebraska Medical Center, detected genetic material from the virus in air samples collected from rooms of COVID-19 patients, even air samples collected from more than six feet away.
Van Den Wymelenberg says their study can’t prove that the remnants of the virus they picked up could have actually infected anyone. To know that, they would have had to try to grow their samples alongside cells in a petri dish and watch to see if those cells were infected. Those are expensive studies to perform and they require a specialized lab certified to handle highly contagious germs—called a biosafety level 3 lab. Those are less common, and they’re all currently slammed with projects.
But he says his study does show that genetic material from the virus is making it into the machinery of massive air handlers in hospitals, even ones that are using good filters, and he thinks that should make public health experts closely consider air conditioning as a vehicle for virus spread.
Steps for Safer Indoor Air

Miller says that the easiest thing to keep the virus from building up inside is to bring in more outdoor air. In homes, that means opening windows and doors regularly to let fresh air in.
That’s harder to do in commercial buildings.
“What we’ve been recommending to minimize risk indoors is to provide 100% outside air, which you can’t do if you’re trying to heat or cool because it just costs way too much money,” she said.

Another strategy to reduce the risk of being indoors is to kill airborne viruses with special wall or ceiling mounted boxes that emit short-range UV radiation. This kind of UV light doesn’t damage skin the way sunlight does, but still zaps harmful germs. These so-called upper-room germicidal systems have successfully controlled outbreaks of other airborne viruses, like tuberculosis, Nardell says.
Finally, you can invest in an air cleaner. Miller cautions that if you go this route, you need to do a fair amount of homework first, learning about things like a machine’s clean air delivery rate, or CADR.
“I purchased an air cleaner strictly to operate when and if somebody in my household gets sick so we can reduce the viral load in my house air,” she says.
Ionizing cleaners don’t work, she says.
Miller recommends checking the website of the Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers, or AHAM to find a good air cleaner.
“They have a whole website set up to do your research and buy a good air cleaner that will work in your home or office,” she says.



https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0764_article - Reference for CDC discyussion of Chinese article on A/C transmission of Wuhan virus.



There seems to be some emerging evidence that Wuhan virus may hide for a period of time in A/C handling units. How infectious is this potential mode fo transmission - not understood.
Still - it is a great mandate for the Controlling DPST's to eliminate all A/C units in
America - both for virus control and because it is not consistent with the Soylent Green new Deal Initiative. Biden will love it, and the Squad and pelosi will mandate it.

Exception - for AOC, Bernie and his 3 homes, and nomenklatura of the DPST party and their limos!!!
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The AC at the beach is what is driving beach closures! "The Science"!



Note the "Social Distancing" ... between her thighs! Nice!
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In 1987 President Ronald Reagan nominated Robert Bork, who was a member of the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia and supported constitutional originalism. Led by then-Senator Joseph Biden, the Judiciary Committee sent Bork’s nomination to the floor with a recommendation that it be rejected. Bork had taught at Yale University, and his students included Bill and Hillary Clinton. He was Solicitor General of the Nixon administration and was later head of the Justice Department.

Robert Bork’s “The Right of Privacy” examined the landmark case Griswald v. Conneticut. Bork’s “originalist” view proclaimed that Justice Douglas erroneously interpreted the right of privacy from the Constitution. The originalist view is that judges must strictly adhere to the language of the Constitution, thus people do not have a general right to privacy because it was never actually written into the Constitution. Thus, people today can not claim a general right to privacy.

The Democrate party has generally sought to appoint liberal thinking judges to the courts. Fifty-eight Senators in the Democrat-controlled Senate chose not to approve his nomination.
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"Originalist" must be another pigeon hole label. "Strict constructionists" is the label I have heard and seen most often to describe Judges who adhere to the wording present in the laws and constitutions and avoid rewriting the documents with their opinions. The word "abortion" does not appear in the U.S. Constitution as well.
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"Originalist" must be another pigeon hole label. "Strict constructionists" is the label I have heard and seen most often to describe Judges who adhere to the wording present in the laws and constitutions and avoid rewriting the documents with their opinions. The word "abortion" does not appear in the U.S. Constitution as well. Originally Posted by LexusLover

Subtle differences. Strict Constitutionalists are still willing to use the document as written to make judicial opinion on things not found in the Constitution (abortion would actually be an example of this-- a person cannot be compelled to donate blood, or plasma, or an organ-- even if their refusal means another person dies-- abortion is the only area where one segment of the population finds it fine to require a woman to donate her uterus to another being-- while I'm not a fan of the practice-- its a matter of bodily autonomy and the fact is--that there is no other arena where a person could potentially be forced to donate any part of their body for another person).



Originalist means if the word isn't in the Constitution, its not covered. It also means that you follow the Constitution precisely as written. 2A is a great example... an originalist would not believe that a felon could be banned from possessing a firearm-- because its not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.
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L17 - I recognize I have a different stand on vaccines - but your question is indeed appropriate.

FDA is responsible for approving the release of drugs upon proof of efficacy and safety - proven in American studies.

the antigen(s) in a vaccine are part of the safety review -and the clinical results of controlled trials.

If your question is not answered - a vaccine won't be released.



Look up that thalidomide was not released in the US. Originally Posted by oeb11
I will be among the first on line to get a vaccine. I will even volunteer to be a test subject if the opportunity presents itself. I agree with you OEB that any vaccine that is approved for testing purposes will have gone through the proper procedures to guarantee the utmost safety. However, there is always the possibility of adverse reactions to a vaccine.
  • oeb11
  • 07-25-2020, 08:55 AM
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You keep missing the point.
Masks don't keep you from getting the virus. They lower the chance of passing it on. Did you catch that?

You either have the virus or don't
The severity of your case is determined by the exact virus strain and how well your ammune system's ability to fight it off.





Both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the World Health Organization now recommend cloth masks for the general public, but earlier in the pandemic, both organizations recommended just the opposite. These shifting guidelines may have sowed confusion among the public about the utility of masks.

But health experts say the evidence is clear that masks can help prevent the spread of COVID-19 and that the more people wearing masks, the better.

We talked to UC San Francisco epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.

Why did the CDC change its guidance on wearing masks?
The original CDC guidance partly was based on what was thought to be low disease prevalence earlier in the pandemic, said Chin-Hong.

“So, of course, you’re preaching that the juice isn’t really worth the squeeze to have the whole population wear masks in the beginning – but that was really a reflection of not having enough testing, anyway,” he said. “We were getting a false sense of security.”

Rutherford was more blunt. The legitimate concern that the limited supply of surgical masks and N95 respirators should be saved for health care workers should not have prevented more nuanced messaging about the benefits of masking. “We should have told people to wear cloth masks right off the bat,” he said.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/41...-masks-prevent


Originally Posted by Munchmasterman
Well that clears things up a bit. I don't have the virus so therefore I can't pass it on, thus why should I wear a mask then?
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Yup the cure is worse then the covid ,,,,,, and people making billions pushing the vaccines
  • Tiny
  • 07-25-2020, 02:43 PM
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...preading-covid
Air Conditioning May Be Spreading COVID

By Brenda Goodman, MA

[IMG]https://img.webmd.com/dtmcms/live/webmd/consumer_assets/site_images/article_thumbnails/other/covid_air_conditioning_vent_ot her/1800x1200_covid_air_conditioni ng_vent_other.jpg?resize=*:350 px[/IMG] Originally Posted by oeb11
Great post Oeb, on an overlooked way of making ourselves safer.
  • oeb11
  • 07-25-2020, 03:24 PM
Tiny - Biden, bernie, and AOC all applaud efforts to rip out air conidtioning to stop the spread of wuhan virus and save the planet singlehandedly without cooperations of the rest of the world - the soylent green new Deal - has no provisions for A/C.
Great post Oeb, on an overlooked way of making ourselves safer. Originally Posted by Tiny
So now you need to find a Mask to fit over your AC Air Ducts, lol.