And God only knows what your driver would do, right? Originally Posted by eccienewbieIs this a strike at me ? I'd be more than happy to oblige if this is so. If not and I misunderstood, then I apologize in advance for the misunderstanding.
To answer the question he would not beat or rob you, if that's where your going with it. Ask Pvitt he met him on the last date. They met very briefly, mainly just a wave and exchange of words at the gas station when we stopped to refuel .... Then again later that night after he breeched my security protocol (tried to ditch my driver) for out of state dates, and was dropping me off at my car(no words exchanged).
If he was an idiot pimp or just some hood hired to "do" and not to "drive" then there may have been some sort of confrontation during these brief encounters. Also the night I met him at his room in Irving(way outside my comfort zone, as Irving is too HOTT!!!) trying to accommodate him, and then he insulted me. He kept insinuating that my "driver" was a "pimp" and I was his "hoe". I cursed him out and the last thing he saw was the flaps from my red dress draped over my ass as I walked away and out of his life/purchasing power.
Not once was he met with disrespect,force,aggression or anything from my driver. Any other questions about him ? Want his # ? I can arrange a meeting if you'd like ...
I first noticed your interest in him here :
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=855249
On a more serious note, nobody here is arguing that "No" doesn't mean "No" in the hobby world. It most certainly does. What many of us are trying to tell you and anyone else who might be reading this thread is that we have doubts as to the veracity of kitty's side of the story. We know her history very, very well around here, and credibility is not her middle name. Against her story, we have that of the hobbyist. That gets us to the proverbial "he said/she said." As you know by now, that doesn't resolve anything around here. But we also have more. We have the ISO to which kitty not only responded, but responded to enthusiastically. "Why haven't you called me already?" That ISO clearly states the scope and ground rules for the encounter. Including filming. Put all that together, and I find the hobbyist's account the more believable of the two. It's completely irrational to assume that she enthusiastically responded to an ISO requesting road-head with video when she did not intend for that very thing to happen. From there, the hobbyist says she gave lousy service and he ended the session. I fail to see a hole in that, and he, unlike kitty, has no credibility history that I'm aware of.I understand where you are coming from. I was not defending either party, I was simply saying No means no due to this male chauvinistic view:
Well, I'm sure I'm not going to convince you of anything, but there all that is for what little if anything it might be worth. At a minimum, those of us who have reason to doubt kitty's account, including whether the hobbyist refused to cease activities after she uttered "No" (assuming she did), have a long history upon which to base those doubts. That said, we've been wrong before. But kitty has fabricated many things before, too. Originally Posted by eccienewbie
Call it calling the shots, taking orders, doing what I ask ect. There is nothing wrong with that in my eyes. If I say I want doggy, I want doggy. If I say will you suck on it again, thats what I expect a lady should.I am not alone in my views of this :
After all, I am paying for my fantasy, not the ladies. Originally Posted by threepeckeredbillygoat
I have known of other girls he has done this to and also how he had talked to me in chat before so I know how he is and I have talked to others about him and he did it to them as well Originally Posted by iceskaterg
I will never understand negative postings towards a provider someone has never met or wants to meet. I don’t see the value added besides hurting someone that has no effect on your life or hobby. It's not just Kitty but every provider it seems. Originally Posted by EasyLover214
"Doesn't follow orders" sounds like you were trying to force her to do something.
Guess you're lucky iceskaterg wasn't there! Originally Posted by 200K
That's why I said:
I remember reading a few posts from gentlemen saying they hobby because they get perks they don't get at hm ... So if you want a gfe respect her like a gf and Im sure you'll love the experience ... Originally Posted by Lana_kane
I understand you and Kitty share in the hobby... but it does not validate or disprove either party's story. The fact of the matter is that I left because I did not enjoy the service. No does mean no, and if that were the case, I would have respected that. Originally Posted by BigButtLover1I was not contending either side. I was merely saying in general "NO MEANS NO"
That's why I said :
IF (huge if ) I GOT PAID EXTRA and AGREED I would not mind but if you try that shit with me your liable to get tazed in the TAINT (obviously sarcasm but maybe "the shocker" ?)... NO MEANS NO MEN IT BACKED BY THE LAW .... Try that shit with a real gf and your liable to end up someone's sex toy, with a sex offender jacket on your back for a good 20+ years Tx will hang you. Originally Posted by Lana_kaneAlso it was alleged :
Yes BSB we had agreed on a car date and that is what I was expecting... he then wanted an incall and I graciously obliged him even though I was not prepared for it. Originally Posted by KittyLamourSounds like she's being reasonable and accommodating to me ...
Ok... I didn't want this to happen... but looks like it did.Whether his ISO requested it or not does not mean it was agreed upon. I was not there and can not speculate, but if filming became an issue I would have to guess it was not allowed. Other hobbyist have gotten I trouble for this, from my reads in the "powder room".
First of all I agreed to do a QUICK car date for a BBBJ for 100 Target gift card. When he comes to pick me up he wants an incall. I was having friends over for dinner and wasn't prepared for an incall. I let him in anyways.
I told him that I was uncomfortable with being filmed and I caught him filming me anyways... Mood pretty much ruined.
Then he started saying he wanted it real slow and I wasn't allowed to use my hand at all and he was trying to push my head. I was not enjoying myself at all at this point.
He then said it wasn't what he expected and left.[\QUOTE]
He did NOT pay for it, it was NOT on the menu, and she said NO ....
is the provider and the one in charge of her body, she did not sign a contract to be his sex slave ... Remember you fellas say so your selves you pay for time and companionship not sex and activities
I wasn't there but IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE HE GOT OFF LUCKY !!!
Sorry to hear this kitty, sometimes men are assholes sometimes TAINT' lol Originally Posted by KittyLamour
Also ...
It's ok to force somebody's head down??? After you tell her she can't use her hand? I was not jacking him off, I was using my hand to keep him from choking me by shoving my head down on himself it's kinda hard to breathe like that. Originally Posted by KittyLamourNO IT IS NOT !!!
Agreed in some circumstances it is e.g.:
Dude... I get paid extra for that shit.. and get really turned on and wet when I do it.It is NOT okay in this situation ...
TETO.Originally Posted by ~Ze~
Ok... I didn't want this to happen... but looks like it did.Her version is somewhat backed by this :
First of all I agreed to do a QUICK car date for a BBBJ for 100 Target gift card. When he comes to pick me up he wants an incall. I was having friends over for dinner and wasn't prepared for an incall. I let him in anyways.
I told him that I was uncomfortable with being filmed and I caught him filming me anyways... Mood pretty much ruined.
Then he started saying he wanted it real slow and I wasn't allowed to use my hand at all and he was trying to push my head. I was not enjoying myself at all at this point.
He then said it wasn't what he expected and left. Originally Posted by KittyLamour
"Doesn't follow orders" sounds like you were trying to force her to do something. Originally Posted by 200KShe did not " follow orders" therefore the op was not satisfied that she was not willing to be submissive ...
Also it was said that:
And eccie newbie he did this to other girls to so its not just kitty Originally Posted by iceskaterg
I have known of other girls he has done this to and also how he had talked to me in chat before so I know how he is and I have talked to others about him and he did it to them as well Originally Posted by iceskatergAs for this :
Iceskaterg, if you believe ANYTHING this lady says, or try and defend her after being caught in sooooo many lies here on eccie, it says volumes about you. Originally Posted by threepeckeredbillygoatFollowed up by:
You are the one who needs to research the company you keep. What the hell is that old saying that rings so true.... oh yea, something about birds and feathers and flocking together. .... or some such shit. Originally Posted by threepeckeredbillygoatYou and a few other "members" flock together as well. Oh look you,EN, and the op are flocking now ...
This is called showing support and compassion, not an admission of guilt. You on the other hand are simply here to instigate.
DOES THAT IN TURN NOT SPEAK VOLUMES ABOUT YALL ?
That explains this pov :
Call it calling the shots, taking orders, doing what I ask ect. There is nothing wrong with that in my eyes. If I say I want doggy, I want doggy. If I say will you suck on it again, thats what I expect a lady should.And why you are defending him.
After all, I am paying for my fantasy, not the ladies. Originally Posted by threepeckeredbillygoat
Because :
And eccie newbie he did this to other girls to so its not just kitty Originally Posted by iceskatergSo if he has history as well get off kitty's back you monkeys.
As for this:
Don't go backing out now and say, "bury it and let Kitty live" when you started this just to trash her and fuck her over in the 1st place. Originally Posted by Lucas McCainI couldn't have put it better myself! This also makes me question the validity of the review and his intentions. As well as the intent and honesty of other hobbyist on this board.
I will never understand negative postings towards a provider someone has never met or wants to meet. I don’t see the value added besides hurting someone that has no effect on your life or hobby. It's not just Kitty but every provider it seems. Originally Posted by EasyLover214I will neither. I will assume these are the men/women who got bullied in school, then got denied into the police academy for being to fat,lazy,weak, or lack of self esteem. That's why they spend their days now paTROLLING E for "wrong doers". Just my guess though ...
I base this assumption off of history ... And how it repeats itself ... Some of you need your nasty lil fingers broken for talkin so much shit behind a keyboard ...
For the etiquette and grammar police : I'm sorry it's so long but it beats bumping this thread over and over when I can knock it all out at once.
