Time Wasters - Any of the ladies willing to tackle the subject openly?

Lets they forget hoo's paying$$$$!

Ok, I agree.
I dont see where LAZ explained why he wasted my time taking me to dinner if he did not want to have a session.

Instead I am told I should have to tell a hobbyist that ccontacts me that he has to pay me??? Guess I am lucky he paid for dinner?

I see ladies that agree Laz likes to hang out with providers for free.

Thread was about time wasters. I stated who wasted my time. Originally Posted by Ms Francisca

SFK? Any comments on Ms. Francesca's issue? Surprised we might have a mutual friend? Originally Posted by Whispers

Whispers, I stand corrected. In this instance, it seems there was someone behind your claim.

Yes, I am surprised... surprised that it's Ms. Francisca. (Hiya', Ms. Francisca!).

I've never known her to be one to 'bite her tongue', so this is what's most surprising to me. (yes, even more surprising than you finally having someone who actually came forward. lol).

But seriously, this entire threAd is an incredibly bad idea because there's entirely too much personal information being revealed. Far too much...entertainment is one thing, getting online handles closer to real-world identities is something entirely different.

But this entire debacle is more fuct than a box of clothes hangars.

W/re: Dinner date.

Ms. Fran, with all due respect, Five attempts of him asking you out to go dancing or to a movie, plus, how ever many dancing/movie requests that were in those e-mails over that six month period, and not one contained any mention of BCD intent; so how could this come as any sort of surprise?

All he's ever requested was to take you dancing or to a movie, I thinck a clear pattern had been established and certainly one that provider with 14 years in the hobby should have easily picked-up on...

Was it right on his part? No, it was not. A provider's time should be compensated.

However, with that pattern clearly established, I can understand why he would thinck that it was just a dinner date--not once did he ever ask for a 'session', he's only asked to take you dancing or to a dinner/movie..

I feel that in this instance, you two simply weren't on the same page. He was thincking one thing and you were thincking another.

But certainly if it was *just* a dinner date, this should have been made absolutely clear from the get go.



W/re: rental house.

I thinck it's extremely unusual for a landlord to not have a Lease Agreement signed before move-in; especially if the place had been rented-out by them previously....but certainly within a few days after move-in, at the very latest.

You can easily print one free from various online sources. They're basic but they can be modified/changed to suit your desires. I cannot begin to fathom how anyone, on either side would ever want to enter into something of this sort without a written lease agreement. This is proof of just how sideways shit can turn without having both parties expectations in writing.
The repairs, the removal of items, the locks,the time in which things are to be completed, the rental amount, the length of the lease, etc ALL would be covered and then you'd both have a solid, legal leg to stand on.

The alleged unexpected/unannounced entering of the rental property by the landlord, is trespassing. The tenant is the legal owner once the agreement has been made and monies changes hands.

All of this shit is covered in the lease agreement. As it stands now, it's going to be extremely difficult to prove anything because it's just a he-she said.

Like I said. this thing is more fuct than a box of hangars.


Sorry for the both of you.
Wish you both well.

Regards,
SofaKingFun

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WOW!! I have not seen you since the hollowinnie bet you had a hang over..Didn't get a chance to chat with you you hurried out so fast..But glad your back..Sorry to hear about all the drama..Been there done that But anyway back on topic..I have met Laz not BCD yet I'm sure I will soon..Or Not I know one thing there is 2 sides to the drama..And we have to choose side or just move on I say just move on..Just a suggestion might need to move back to A-Town if you need help I'm sure I could talk to the SO and he would take time and fly in from Okl City for a day and help you like we helped you move all your stuff down here from A-Town just a few months ago just let me know gurl I'm there for you..Back on topic Laz in my book I look at who is involved with the drama and who cums to bat for who like me I have a lot that has spoke up and I have a lot who has chose to stay out of the drama and who can blame them I have no drama don't want no drama and will not be around drama me I seem to be a drama magnet So back on topic Laz In my book if Sonya says he's good to go I tend to lean towards those who don't say or post a lot but when they have something to say I listen and so does a lot of other peeps so I sure hope things work out.. She has more class than anyone on this board ..Any way call me gurl we can do lunch ..Karma is a bit#H..Hey got to go pimps raising hell because I wasting time .....P.S. Sorry to hear the incall didn't workout .
I do have a very safe and Sexy Incall{Over By Them Boots}Luv ya gurl

Just wondering about you..
Dezirie

The New Wave Hooker

Originally Posted by Dezirie

Gurl you have been in this biz way to long way to long to think you can trust friends with RW info.I know first hand not to trust peeps with RW info Thanx by the way.Listen to a fellow provider and once a really good friend that helped you from time to time.If you have no lease you can be removed from the house you are a sqarter By law they have to ask you to leave today as for as the condition of the house it doesn't matter The house we moved into was pretty bad..We had an agreement to help fix the house..Unless Mr Whippers has been done this away he has no idea what he is talking about..Don't listen to a troll that you owe a favor to you have already returned his favor by leaking RW info so you do what you want I still think you should think about moving bacvk to A-Town so your closer to them all and you will feel right at home..Call me gurl I also pay to play if you would like to get together OH!! off topic..Anyway Don't listen to a troll look around you will see what I am talking about..Hey and welcome to the jungle posted a short Video this is what LE will tell you..For surer don't go to court that just @@@@@@.Anyway thanx for all you have done for S.A. But I think I hear A-Town calling your nameJust Me Helping a Friend in need..Dezirie
By The Way This Is The Hooker
Hey you know me tell everyone I don't have a pimp
OOPPS!! Back on topic Just move

Just walked in from the gym and I see this! LOL Well, duh! I'm not here for any other reason!:P Boston U is at the top of my list for grad school! Just sayin!

@ Precious_b: Hey baybay! Of course u can see me! Originally Posted by Darcy Darling

LOL I wasn't going to say anything, but hey...if Whispers wants to pay the BU tuition...take him up on it! It's a fair bit more than TSU!

Exactly how many pissing matches are going on in this thread? LOL Originally Posted by Still Looking

That's what I'm wondering... also wondering if I should heat up some popcorn.

Gurl you have been in this biz way to long way to long to think you can trust friends with RW info.I know first hand not to trust peeps with RW info Thanx by the way.Listen to a fellow provider and once a really good friend that helped you from time to time.If you have no lease you can be removed from the house you are a sqarter By law they have to ask you to leave today as for as the condition of the house it doesn't matter The house we moved into was pretty bad..We had an agreement to help fix the house..Unless Mr Whippers has been done this away he has no idea what he is talking about..Don't listen to a troll that you owe a favor to you have already returned his favor by leaking RW info so you do what you want I still think you should think about moving bacvk to A-Town so your closer to them all and you will feel right at home..Call me gurl I also pay to play if you would like to get together OH!! off topic..Anyway Don't listen to a troll look around you will see what I am talking about..Hey and welcome to the jungle posted a short Video this is what LE will tell you..For surer don't go to court that just @@@@@@.Anyway thanx for all you have done for S.A. But I think I hear A-Town calling your nameJust Me Helping a Friend in need..Dezirie
By The Way This Is The Hooker
Hey you know me tell everyone I don't have a pimp
OOPPS!! Back on topic Just move

Just Saying..
Dezirie

P.S.You know I will be there for you
Love ya Gurl
By the way I do Have A Very Sexy And Safe Incall
{Over By Them Boots}
Ray Charles
Hit the road Jack
Just got to love y-tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Tiz6INF7I

Originally Posted by Dezirie

Ms Fran...it was hard for me to read the above, but please don't listen to her "legal advice." However, Whispers' advice is rather spot on.

In the absence of a written lease, a Month to Month lease is assumed. One that requires 30 day notice. While Whispers is correct, JPs sometime get a bit creative with their interpretation, this case is rather basic when you strip away the juicy gossip.

Likely the outcome will be that the JP will find that you owe the prorated amount of your rent for each day you lived there that the house was legally habitable. Since you had no written lease, cosmetic items or ungraded locks will probably not be good defenses for not paying rent.

You will also, likely be required to pay through Jan 15, since you did not give notice until Dec. 15,

Sitting down and negotiating would likely end better, because you are likely to have a judgment against you. You may want to contact the Bexar County Dispute Resolution Center to see if they can help with mediation. Many local judges and mediators volunteer for this fine organization.

http://www.bexar.org/drc/


Good luck!

LilMynx+secksbynumbers, The Institute For Statistics Of Warped and Vivid Imaginations reports that with each post where you allow your intelligence to show, you exponentially increase my horn for you by a factor of 10.

I shit you not.

If you were eating a banana, I would *so* try my best to make eye contact with you.

Uhh...I'm not quite sure where that came from, but it needed to be conveyed.

On-topic. Timewasters, just stop already. Thancks.

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LOL I wasn't going to say anything, but hey...if Whispers wants to pay the BU tuition...take him up on it! It's a fair bit more than TSU! Originally Posted by LilMynx69

Now Now Minx...... Once we establish that I have money and she is desirable as a companion we need to explore compatibility in a couple of different ways You know how it works.... She may be in line for a few little tokens of affection along the way but tuition is a future conversation! before we get there she will probably be wearing a new Diamond tennis Bracelet and a couple of other pieces of fine jewelry. Cash is tacky!

I have never limited my searches to specific schools and did pay for a semester at Rice one year but young ladies in need that consider the life style seem to be more plentiful at less expensive campuses. At the moment I have 2 girls from TSU, 1 at St Edwards and a UT gal in the mix. One will start Law School in the fall. I didn't think we would last this long and need to adjust the budget for her!

Ms Fran...it was hard for me to read the above, but please don't listen to her "legal advice." However, Whispers' advice is rather spot on.

I've learned it the hard way. being a LandLord and Being right is not remotely enough.

In the absence of a written lease, a Month to Month lease is assumed. One that requires 30 day notice. While Whispers is correct, JPs sometime get a bit creative with their interpretation, this case is rather basic when you strip away the juicy gossip.

Likely the outcome will be that the JP will find that you owe the prorated amount of your rent for each day you lived there that the house was legally habitable.

I think the JP will throw it out and make them start over. I think any attorney that understands the eviction courts would advise Laz to drop the suit and send her a written demand for the money in provable fashion. That demand should summarize their verbal agreement. Everything at the moment is he said she said and both have reasons to NOT want a public record of this debacle.

Since you had no written lease, cosmetic items or ungraded locks will probably not be good defenses for not paying rent.

Even with a lease NOT paying rent is seldom an option. The Tenant has to formally notice the LandLord and allow a reasonable amount of time to effect the repair before doing so and then MIGHT be able to have the repair done and deduct the rent.

You will also, likely be required to pay through Jan 15, since you did not give notice until Dec. 15,

Sitting down and negotiating would likely end better, because you are likely to have a judgment against you.

Judgements are interesting in that they only have value if there is a possibility to ever collect on them. They do not scare some people. If a person already has bad credit and a judgement or eviction you have zero leverage with them

You may want to contact the Bexar County Dispute Resolution Center to see if they can help with mediation. Many local judges and mediators volunteer for this fine organization.

http://www.bexar.org/drc/


Good luck! Originally Posted by LilMynx69

good advice.....

Or we could hold "People's Court" in the Sand Box and get Dear Hunter to be the judge! You take one and I'll take the other and play the part of the attorney's!

If you were eating a banana, I would *so* try my best to make eye contact with you. Originally Posted by SofaKingFun

I like bananas! Uh, wait, what was I going to say...

Oh yes, Whispers started an interesting thread on time wasters, Window shoppers and picture hunters... Guys interested in freebies and OTC activities but not pulling the donation trigger and now it has devolved into a landlord tenant dispute being aired publicly. Although it involves a provider and hobbyist, it isn't hobby related (the specifics of the rental dispute) and LAZ and Francisca should both consider discontinuing to air info here on that topic. Maybe you already have...

With the court date and rental amount in dispute available in this thread, it won't take much for someone to peruse the public record and put 2 and 2 together. I don't think it would benefit either of you to out how you know each other but the thread content could be used as evidence as well... Good advice from those who've suggested third party dispute resolution instead of going to court. Sounds like two adults who are both old enough to know better have made some poor decisions and choices up to this point. I sincerely hope some better decisions in the future may come out of this thread that is hopefully coming to a conclusion.

(guess I didn't help that with this post but oh well, I'm human and performative contradiction (sh!t) happens)

Francisca:

I mentioned I was a needy friend lol), but you needed someone to help you get a place without verification, so you did need help with something.

You are Wrong.
I made a comment to Laz at a social when he told me about the house/his investment and I told him that if it ever came available that I would be interested. I have never had any problems renting a place to live. Buying a house yes, that is the main reason I was interested in his house. He wanted to sell it in 3yrs, giving me the time to get ready to get a loan.

I will respect your opinion but please do not tell me what I need. First, you do not know me nor have you bothered to ask me anything regarding this issue. You are speaking on what Laz has told you. Not exactly fair IMHO if you are posting uninformed.
Now, we do have another mutual friend (do not know his handle) that wears bow ties... he was at the house on Nov 18th and his coment to Laz n I was... "House needs a lot of work but it will be a great house when its finishe"

There is nothing wrong with admitting, that you rented with Laz because you thought this would be easier. Everyone needs a helping hand every now and then.
Easier YES. did I NEED him NO.
I have no problems admitting whan I am wrong.

Situations like this emerge often when hobby people trust each other simply by giving each other their "word." When will we learn? Originally Posted by Darcy Darling

I agree 110%

Whispers, I stand corrected. In this instance, it seems there was someone behind your claim.

I think if you ask Ms. Fran more she can assure that there always is. We know each other well enough for her to know some of the people that have been involved.

Yes, I am surprised... surprised that it's Ms. Francisca. (Hiya', Ms. Francisca!).

I've never known her to be one to 'bite her tongue', so this is what's most surprising to me. (yes, even more surprising than you finally having someone who actually came forward. lol).

But seriously, this entire threAd is an incredibly bad idea because there's entirely too much personal information being revealed.

The concept of the thread is not a bad idea..... I will admit that this did get very personal for two of the people here. But in the beginning it was part of my intention to be able to display why guys need to look for relationships in other arena's and not with the ladies here. It seldom ends well.

Far too much...entertainment is one thing, getting online handles closer to real-world identities is something entirely different.

Once again..... Not the thread itself that created that. Other ladies have named names or provided examples that are real another guy has interacted without quite this level of veracity.

But this entire debacle is more fuct than a box of clothes hangars.

W/re: Dinner date.

Ms. Fran, with all due respect, Five attempts of him asking you out to go dancing or to a movie, plus, how ever many dancing/movie requests that were in those e-mails over that six month period, and not one contained any mention of BCD intent; so how could this come as any sort of surprise?

All he's ever requested was to take you dancing or to a movie, I thinck a clear pattern had been established and certainly one that provider with 14 years in the hobby should have easily picked-up on...

Was it right on his part? No, it was not. A provider's time should be compensated.

However, with that pattern clearly established, I can understand why he would thinck that it was just a dinner date--not once did he ever ask for a 'session', he's only asked to take you dancing or to a dinner/movie..

I feel that in this instance, you two simply weren't on the same page. He was thincking one thing and you were thincking another.

But certainly if it was *just* a dinner date, this should have been made absolutely clear from the get go.



W/re: rental house.

I thinck it's extremely unusual for a landlord to not have a Lease Agreement signed before move-in; especially if the place had been rented-out by them previously....but certainly within a few days after move-in, at the very latest.

You can easily print one free from various online sources. They're basic but they can be modified/changed to suit your desires. I cannot begin to fathom how anyone, on either side would ever want to enter into something of this sort without a written lease agreement. This is proof of just how sideways shit can turn without having both parties expectations in writing.
The repairs, the removal of items, the locks,the time in which things are to be completed, the rental amount, the length of the lease, etc ALL would be covered and then you'd both have a solid, legal leg to stand on.

The alleged unexpected/unannounced entering of the rental property by the landlord, is trespassing. The tenant is the legal owner once the agreement has been made and monies changes hands.

Actually it is not. In Texas the Property Code is pretty specific on some things and vague on others. A Tenant has the right to quiet enjoyment of the property they are renting. But the Home Owner still owns the property and has rights too.

One right he has is to enter the home at any "reasonable" time to conduct an inspection or to make a needed repair or desired upgrade. What is reasonable? It is not defined but "most" judges that have to deal with these issues consider reasonable to be M-F 8Am to 7PM and 10Am to 5PM on Saturdays and Sundays.
remember.... I said "most".

You would THINK that he should have to call ahead but in the absence of a written agreement that addresses when and how, he CAN simply use his key and walk in the door.

Most rentals in texas are done with one of two standard leases and NEITHER lease takes that right away from the owner OR establishes any needed verbage regarding when and how.

That is why the law ALSO requires Privacy Lock. A Privacy Lock is USUALLY a Deadboly that is keyless. It allows the tenant to lock the door from the inside in a manner that cannot be unlocked from the outside. A Tenant home that has the door locked in that manner is safe from intrusion.

Now. IF the Landlord were to knock on the door and ask to be let in and the Tenant refuse him than the Tenant is in violation of the terms of the lease.

All of this shit is covered in the lease agreement. As it stands now, it's going to be extremely difficult to prove anything because it's just a he-she said.

Like I said. this thing is more fuct than a box of hangars.


Sorry for the both of you.
Wish you both well.

Regards,
SofaKingFun


Originally Posted by SofaKingFun

Definitely off the beaten path here but information I believe that many people will take note of.

I never wanted this to be a public discussion and can't wait for it to go away. She chose to slander me and I still did not make it public. The second she moves out it will be over as far as I am concerned. Going to court is only necessary if she refuses to leave. Since she hates the house and has no problem getting a rental that should have been the obvious choice. I have learned my lesson and will not repeat this mistake.


Whispers - Think about this the next time you encourage people to post crap calling out others. You also encourage people to air crap that is not true out of vengeance and air crap that has no place here.

SofaKingDoMeAlready, please take note, I despise bananas. I have never eaten one.

Corndogs, however, are a different story altogether.

xoxo,
LMx

Corndogs, however, are a different story altogether Originally Posted by LilMynx69

Lady! The image you just put in my head! LMAO!